Cruel Saudi gov at it again!Shocking video of detention camp

[Shirib]

Somalia being a 3rd world country isn't because of leadership, if Somalia had the resources Saudi Arabia had it would be a very prosperous country. Somalia is a 3rd world country because of a lack of natural resources, there isn't a single proven quantifiable natural resource in Somalia. There's only food, fishing, and livestock.

Saudi Arabia is able to manage those resources through American oil companies, and the US petro dollar. There is no good governance, the whole country is run by a single family. The country is all a government bureaucracy. Their laws oppress people if they aren't a Saudi and treat them as if they were animals rather than humans.

You are fcking kidding, right? Right...?

dead serious, care to tell me why i'm wrong

[Enlightened~Sista]

This discussion isn't going anywhere .
The topic here is NOT Somalia .
Telling people to refrain from OBJECTIVELY reacting to the CRUELTY displayed here because they come from this or that country is equally IRRELEVANT if not plain DUMB!!!!

Sahangalbeed dadkan weersan waxba ha la hadlin, sidaad ku dhici kartaa inaad videogaan meesha soogelisid bay ileeyiheen, iyaguna wax kastay rabaan weysoogelin karaan. Eeg related topics no 13...munafiqnimo intaa ka badatay weligaa ma aragtay? Haday somalia human rights abuses ka jirto bal maxaa shiikhaa emaraatiga eey afghaniigan garaacaya looga warramayaa.?

[SahanGalbeed]

Sahangalbeed dadkan weersan waxba ha la hadlin, sidaad ku dhici kartaa inaad videogaan meesha soogelisid bay ileeyiheen, iyaguna wax kastay rabaan weysoogelin karaan. Eeg related topics no 13...munafiqnimo intaa ka badatay weligaa ma aragtay? Haday somalia human rights abuses ka jirto bal maxaa shiikhaa emaraatiga eey afghaniigan garaacaya looga warramayaa.?

Sidaad tidhi weeye , walle iyo bille inadeerey
Xaggu aqligu kaa saaranyahay iyaaga inoo sheegaya e , bal u kaadi

[Thuganomics]

Sahangalbeed dadkan weersan waxba ha la hadlin, sidaad ku dhici kartaa inaad videogaan meesha soogelisid bay ileeyiheen, iyaguna wax kastay rabaan weysoogelin karaan. Eeg related topics no 13...munafiqnimo intaa ka badatay weligaa ma aragtay? Haday somalia human rights abuses ka jirto bal maxaa shiikhaa emaraatiga eey afghaniigan garaacaya looga warramayaa.?

Nobleman waa la hayaa

[SahanGalbeed]

ES , geesiyad weeye , tan danbe haddaan ba u fiirsaday . {related topic}
War goodbye , waa sheeko dhamaatay

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Abdi ismael takes the cake here in terms of his method of thinking .
According to this guy
1/we don't care about the welfare of other Somalis .
2/ we also have a massive chip on our shoulder .
now keep in mind



he doesn't particularly like the "arabs" himself so he is not gonna defend them but we" just gotta get over with our inferiority complex"

Let me explain this in a manner you will understand: the difference between me and you is I don't give a sheep's testicle about the goings on in the Arab world. I neither hate them nor like them. They are humans like me and you and will have good and bad. I am not obsessed, like some people, about the goings on in Saudi Arabia. I especially don't feel the need to criticise them because my own country makes even the worst Arab state look like a fcking utopian paradise. This obsession with Arabs has to stop, it reeks of insecurity and jealousy. Saudi Arabia is not a paradise, if is a restrictive, stone age country with corrupt rulers, but you cannot even compare it to Somalia a nation that hasn't had an effective gov for more than two decades and has not contributed a single thing to human achievement. If Saudi Arabia is wiped off the map, it will be sorely missed - I can't say the same for Somalia. Im sorry if the truth hurts.

[*Nobleman*]

This is discussion isn't going anywhere .
The topic here is NOT Somalia .
Telling people to refrain from OBJECTIVELY reacting to the CRUELTY displayed here because they come from this or that country is equally IRRELEVANT if not plain DUMB!!!!

My key argument is that they are not "objectively reacting to cruelty", considering all these apparent cruelty videos happen to be linked to Arabs, ironic when Somalis commit more cruelty then most other people.

That is exactly what I am saying , your argument is DUMB .
objectively ---> DEFINITION :

Having actual existence or reality

Are you gonna accuse ES of putting this thing up ?
NO ! It is REAL !
Whether she likes the " arabs" or not is her own CHOICE , I don't like Saudi Arabia too , what can do you about it ? are you gonna attack me for it ? get real man !

Sahan your not the sharpest tool in the box are you. Objective means to be impartial, to report without bias, to not be subjective. The video in question is a news report which of course has an element of subjectivity. Whose to say that actual scene was filmed in Saudi? Look at the title of the thread in question "cruel Saudi gov at it again", if thats not sensationalist, then tell me what is.

[SahanGalbeed]

Listen to me junior abdi ismael .
People are free to express their frustration out anyway they want , wherever they are from there is nothing you can do about it .
We are not talking about "humans having a bad day here " this is INSTITUTIONALISED torture .
Now if you bring a video of people being treated that way anywhere in Somalia/Somaliland , I will be among the first ones to react . However again , we're talking about Saudi Arabia here .
The argument " I am from Somalia , any other country out there is better than mine , therefore I must not say anything about anybody " is INVALID , one more time .

It is not about YOU here , it is about OUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION .

[*Nobleman*]

Countries with a larger population and less resources are more prosperous than Somalia, proving that natural resources do not make a country prosperous. Its easy to blame others for your shortfalls, but Somalia inability to govern itself is mainly down to its people.

Name a single country? A country is made prosperous by their natural resources, or the natural resources that they can take from other countries. This is the basis of economics. Natural resources are scarce in Somalia. You can't name a single quantifiable natural resource in Somalia that isn't food, fishing or livestock. If you can, I'm all ears, please do tell.

Tell me one country in the world that does not favour their citizens ahead of foreign nationals.

That's not the thing in question, favoring your citizens is one thing. Treating people who are not citizens as if they were slaves with absolutely no rights is a totally different thing. If a white guy in America mistreats an illegal alien, he is subject to the laws and would be prosecuted. In Saudi Arabia, if you're not a Saudi, it's as if you are not human, and the Arabs treat you like a dog, and the government does nothing to protect these people, nor does it give them any rights.

Yes the Saudis are far from perfect, but without a doubt Somalis carry out more human rights abuses against their own people, where as America carries out more human rights abuses on foreign soil then Saudi Arabia ever will. Therefore shouldnt you be calling for the downfall of your home and adopted nation first?

The difference between Somalia and the US and Saudi Arabia, is that the first two, are doing so in a state of war. We all know war brings out the worst in things, regardless of people's. Why is Saudi Arabia doing this, when they are not in a state of war?

Valid argument regarding war. But how do you explain countries like Luxembourg with little resources being more successful than countries like Congo with large proven resources, it all comes down to good and bad governance and not simply resources.

I've said it loads of times, i'm not here to protect Saudi, I recognise that the government is not perfect, but I feel that the majority of Saudis are happy with the king and therefore thats all that matters. Its easy for us to sit here in the west and call for the downfall of a government we know little about.

[*Nobleman*]

Eeg related topics no 13...munafiqnimo intaa ka badatay weligaa ma aragtay? Haday somalia human rights abuses ka jirto bal maxaa shiikhaa emaraatiga eey afghaniigan garaacaya looga warramayaa.?

See unlike you I was far from sensationalist, nor was I promoting hate. Look at the body of my thread, I clearly steer myself away from Arab hate

http://www.khou.com/sharedcontent/video ... 080707.flv

Subxanllah, watch the following clip.

I am in no way suggesting all Arab leaders are like this so haters ease up on the bashing.

[*Nobleman*]

Sahangalbeed dadkan weersan waxba ha la hadlin, sidaad ku dhici kartaa inaad videogaan meesha soogelisid bay ileeyiheen, iyaguna wax kastay rabaan weysoogelin karaan. Eeg related topics no 13...munafiqnimo intaa ka badatay weligaa ma aragtay? Haday somalia human rights abuses ka jirto bal maxaa shiikhaa emaraatiga eey afghaniigan garaacaya looga warramayaa.?

Nobleman waa la hayaa

Read that thread I posted, , what does it exactly prove when I have clearly said that I am not suggesting Arab leaders are bad

[*Nobleman*]

Abdi ismael takes the cake here in terms of his method of thinking .
According to this guy
1/we don't care about the welfare of other Somalis .
2/ we also have a massive chip on our shoulder .
now keep in mind



he doesn't particularly like the "arabs" himself so he is not gonna defend them but we" just gotta get over with our inferiority complex"

Let me explain this in a manner you will understand: the difference between me and you is I don't give a sheep's testicle about the goings on in the Arab world. I neither hate them nor like them. They are humans like me and you and will have good and bad. I am not obsessed, like some people, about the goings on in Saudi Arabia. I especially don't feel the need to criticise them because my own country makes even the worst Arab state look like a fcking utopian paradise. This obsession with Arabs has to stop, it reeks of insecurity and jealousy. Saudi Arabia is not a paradise, if is a restrictive, stone age country with corrupt rulers, but you cannot even compare it to Somalia a nation that hasn't had an effective gov for more than two decades and has not contributed a single thing to human achievement. If Saudi Arabia is wiped off the map, it will be sorely missed - I can't say the same for Somalia. Im sorry if the truth hurts.

This more or less summarizes my views on this issue. I could not care less for these Arab leaders, all i am suggesting is not to point fingers when your fingers are dirty

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Listen to me junior abdi ismael .
People are free to express their frustration out anyway they want , wherever they are from there is nothing you can do about it .
We are not talking about "humans having a bad day here " this is INSTITUTIONALISED torture .
Now if you bring a video of people being treated that way anywhere in Somalia/Somaliland , I will be among the first ones to react . However again , we're talking about Saudi Arabia here .
The argument " I am from Somalia , any other country out there is better than mine , therefore I must not say anything about anybody " is INVALID , one more time .

It is not about YOU here , it is about OUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION .

Seriously, Wtf are you talking about now? You are just arguing for the sake of it.

[Shirib]

Countries with a larger population and less resources are more prosperous than Somalia, proving that natural resources do not make a country prosperous. Its easy to blame others for your shortfalls, but Somalia inability to govern itself is mainly down to its people.

Name a single country? A country is made prosperous by their natural resources, or the natural resources that they can take from other countries. This is the basis of economics. Natural resources are scarce in Somalia. You can't name a single quantifiable natural resource in Somalia that isn't food, fishing or livestock. If you can, I'm all ears, please do tell.

Tell me one country in the world that does not favour their citizens ahead of foreign nationals.

That's not the thing in question, favoring your citizens is one thing. Treating people who are not citizens as if they were slaves with absolutely no rights is a totally different thing. If a white guy in America mistreats an illegal alien, he is subject to the laws and would be prosecuted. In Saudi Arabia, if you're not a Saudi, it's as if you are not human, and the Arabs treat you like a dog, and the government does nothing to protect these people, nor does it give them any rights.

Yes the Saudis are far from perfect, but without a doubt Somalis carry out more human rights abuses against their own people, where as America carries out more human rights abuses on foreign soil then Saudi Arabia ever will. Therefore shouldnt you be calling for the downfall of your home and adopted nation first?

The difference between Somalia and the US and Saudi Arabia, is that the first two, are doing so in a state of war. We all know war brings out the worst in things, regardless of people's. Why is Saudi Arabia doing this, when they are not in a state of war?

Valid argument regarding war. But how do you explain countries like Luxembourg with little resources being more successful than countries like Congo with large proven resources, it all comes down to good and bad governance and not simply resources.

I've said it loads of times, i'm not here to protect Saudi, I recognise that the government is not perfect, but I feel that the majority of Saudis are happy with the king and therefore thats all that matters. Its easy for us to sit here in the west and call for the downfall of a government we know little about.

Nobleman, come on you're far smarter than this, you can't ignore 80 years of colonialism in Congo, that explains why Congo is worst off than Luxembourg. Sure leadership is part of it, but the main reason is colonialism.

It's illegal and punishable by death to speak out against the King of Saudi Arabia, so yea put your happy smiley face on, it's not as if you have much choice. In terms of freedoms, the House of Saud makes people Mubarak, Assad, and co, look like saints. Only difference is Allah blessed Saudi Arabia with the worlds largest reserve of the worlds most traded commodity, so they can go around build some extra cool sky scrapers.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Sahangalbeed

Bal eeg siduu marwalba wax u leeyahay, markii hore wuxuu lahaa bahalaad ka dhalateyn, dadka kale maka hadli kartaan idinkoo Somalia udhshay haddana wuxuu leeyahay to let himself off the hook, naa si edeb ley baan afghanigee emaraatigu dilayayey uga warrameye.

Wuxuu na leeyahay don't point fingers when yours are dirty, why can't he follow what he preaches, afghanigaas maxaaka 15 ahaa?