None of the people in TFG are coming back: BURN NOTICE.

[Cirwaaq]

Joint Financial management board [JFMB] Was proposed during the London conference and the report serves a preemptive strike against those who might object to this new form of control.

A Sovereign state is defined as a state that has:-

1. Defined territory
2. Permanent population
3. A Government with the capacity to exert authority in it's territory
4. Neither dependency on nor subject to any other power or state

Where it is necessary a State can have it's recognition totally withdrawn in part or via transfer of that recognition from one government to another. For 21 years the 4 pillars of statehood have been stripped away from successive governments and to add insult to injury come 20 Aug2012 "The New Government" will no longer be able to directly control any aspect of the State.

There are imposed condition far worse then being returned to a "UN Trusteeship".

All Hail Jerry Rawlings(Dictator of Ghana 1979-2001)

All Hail Maxiga(Representative of somali failure profiteers since jun2010)

It all just means that instead of Somalis the Parasites will continue to steal every last cent while preserving the state in a permanent dysfunctional status.

The Most qualified group of people who can stop the parasites are Hiil Qaran and we all know it...

[Adali]

awahab, it is the talk of the nation! Just today this old dude was on the phone saying I don't chew qhat but today, bring it to my home along with a printed copy of hiran article. He was all worked up. everyone is talking about it, whether on the phone or in person.

Two heroes emerged so far:
1- Fartaag: This man is real professional. In his own words, he was told to shut up and not publish his findings by then PM, Mr. Farmajo, a fellow clansman. He rejected the idea and went ahead with his his plan. Then he was sacked by no other than Famajo himself. In both cases, Farmajo is said to be pressured by his boss, the president.

2- Abdulahi yusuf: Some corrupted politicians and their cronies wanted to end contract with the company that printed the national passport at the time and create their own printing company. Mr. Yusuf could not be convinced and told them no. They wanted to do it behind his back in Nairobi, too bad he was tipped. However, they got their way as soon as he left office.

waryaa the dribbling fool is random as always, where are your sources for this, I really do not enjoy gossip as I am neither a woman or Majerten, please provide sources for this nonsense you keep posting about Farmaajo. There is still nothing on that report that implicates Farmaajo in any of these corruption scandals. the only few mature enough people in this topic who can appreciates the facts as they are have repeated this again and again, get it into your thick skull.

My prediction for the coming election, Sh. Sharif will not be reelected, the UN who backed him are throwing him under the buss, Sharif Hassan who held so much sway over the parliament and the TFG is also no longer getting the blessings of the UN, his dirty laundry is being aired publicly, so now I am really confident Farmaajo will win the election, and I believe the other campaigners have a fair chance against him as he does not play cheap dirty games like the current corrupt leaders of TFG. This "leak" is good for Somalia.

[The`Republic]

Is Voltage still 19 years old? What a hypocrite. These thugs are all liars and criminals so please stop making exceptions. According to several sources and other facts in the report; then the minister of finance Xalane warned Farmaajo to at least do the looting in professional and accounted way. Farmaajo stole so much money that that the issue even came up during his removal negotiations. And please note that even though Xalane is Ogaden but I am here to tell you that he should have been on that list because he oversaw the looting of the Fat Guy, Farmaajo and the Prozac taking Abdiweli dude. Xalane was put in place to make the looting easier for everyone including himself. The only thing he did right was he sidelined Shariif Sakiin during his tenure as the minister of finance.
Voltage please don't take the qaraan-collecting tribal elders' words as their relevance is maintained through these kinds of clan bashing where only their clan is the smartest, the bravest, and the most in numbers.

Guhad how am I being a hypocrite bro? I simply read the news for what it is. Abdiwali Gaas, while defending himself, made what the Monitoring Report called an "allegation" towards Farmaajo that was not verified in anyway shape or form.

I actually feel bad for Farmaajo because I think it is unfair he was even named in this report. The allegations serve a cause for investigation whose results then deserve a mention in the report but the monitoring team made no effort to investigate. They neither interviewed Farmaajo nor confirmed Abdiwali's tale with the Central Bank.

So far Farmaajo being mentioned in the report is really character assassination because for all the other guys in the report, there is proof and an investigation done by the monitoring group and for Farmaajo there is only mention of an allegation.

Personally I don't even think they wanted to investigate, they certainly don't seem like they wanted to try. This report was compiled in how many months and they made no effort to contact a simple Somali Central Bank nor get his side?

Farmaajo is a US citizen and this is a good cause for defamation and slander to be honest.

[AbdiWahab252]

Republic,

Farmaajo was PM. Corruption occurred under his watch. The buck stops with him. He now has to disprove the allegations against him and pray that the State Department does not strip him of his citizenship.

I attended Ina Fartaag's presentation on corruption in Somalia which was held in Nairobi. The brother did a solid job and is a true patriot. I salute the brother for putting the spotlight on corruption.

[Advo]

Why are u rushing to convict Farmaajo? at the moment the doesn't have to approve anything as the allegations are based on he said she said and as a grown man u know that aint enough!

[AbdiWahab252]

Advo,

When you are a leader, you must bear responsibility for all actions. Farmaajo, Sharif Ahmed, Sharif Xasan, Cabdiweli, Cumar Abdirashid etc will face justice at some time. Farmaajo's biggest mistake was engaging to work among thieves.

Bro, you know if you hang around crooks, you too will either become a crook or look like one.

[Daff]

This is exactly why the report was released now, to keep Somalis busy, while every farax and xalimo argue about who is corrupt and who isn't, the UN/IC will implement whatever plan they have already put in place. The plan is to make Somalis more receptive to the upcoming UN/IC project, funny how everyone is saying anything is better than the TFG tuugo now it is working isn't it.

[waryaa]

adali, it is in the full report. When u see that part online, then u'll be the confirmed blind real fool who cannot take tribal goggles out for a sec. Too bad, you didn't see it but I posted about this report before hiran started to show excepts . You are mad because your brain can't take the fact that farmajo told fartaag to shut up then fired him! I didn't write that and fartaag was interviewed about it. Who is the nomadic fool now?

[waryaa]

This report is questionable in a way:

1. Why did they dig that much on things that do not involve UN and other western agencies and turned blind eye on things that can incriminate some of their employees?
2- The timing. Why now? why not 6 months before today?

In the report they said ONLY 46 countries replied to our letters and ONLY 20 something gave us requested documents. They did all that and zero UN and other western agencies wrong doing.

Fyi, the real $$$ went to the two sharifs, gaafow and their business partners. These are the sharks while the PMs and their ministers are like little gold fishes. If I am appalled about this I'd be concerned about the sharks, not the little guys. It is like some1 stealing 10 bucks and one taking a million.

[original dervish]

why would it seem strange to you that most people have little confidence in the TFG?
Haven`t they proved themselves to be totally inept, incompetent and thoroughly corrupt?

Whether individual charges of corruption can be proved or not is beside the point. The various Somali "governments" have demonstrated themselves to be so
useless, and unable to build on the progress being made against Alshabaab.

If you replaced all the ministers and high officials with chimpanzees tomorrow there would be little difference, indeed when I look at pictures of Sheikh Shariff its hard to tell the difference between him and bubbles.

[AbdiWahab252]

Waryaa,

Goldfish or shark, there will be plenty of seafood

The UN & its associate agencies are very corrupt but the difference here is that this TFG is their government & their creation. IF the paymasters want to clean shop, why should we be upset

[Based]

There is actually nothing in the report that says there were high volumes of tax exemption, it only states that the PM requested tax exemption for certian companies he claimed were working with the TGF, there is actually absolutely nothing and I mean nothing dodgy about that what so ever, its like saying the president of the united states had a metting with the vice president and writing that in a report that alleges corruption, in a way it make gullible people like you who have their on agendas try to make that something wrong or worthy of suspicion when in fact that is in the job description of most public services workers. This is one of the things that made me suspicious about this report, which is at this point a "leak" (which in the wistleblower community is a another word for unreliable). If you want to claim abdiweli is in the wrong because he did something that was completely within his work field but that seemed "dodgy" then by all means.

In a report detailing the nefarious activities of various political actors in Somalia, the United Nations monitoring group on Somalia mentioned a large number of tax exemptions the PM requested. For the umpteenth time, had the monitoring group not felt something was a bit off, they would not have mentioned what would otherwise be a routine occurrence. I'm not sure why you're getting so touchy about me simply repeating what the monitoring group reported. Since you find this report "suspicious", I assume you think there's some vast UN conspiracy to defame Abdiweli.

I am not saying that there is some sort of conspiracy at work I am just saying I will not pass judgement based on hear say which is what this report is so far.There is no substantial evidence to back it up, what so ever. You on the other hand are attempting to accuse abdiweli who is so far the smallest fish in the pond, based on so called evidence that is not in the report? and your only come back is "well if they say they have it they must have it" does that make any sense?, if I go and accuse sharif of being a thief, and say "I have evidence trust me" is that enough to warrant any legitimacy?

No, the fact that they're the UN Monitoring Group on Somalia should be enough to warrant legitimacy. When they say they have hard evidence, we take their claims at face value. Your opinion matters very little when the Security Council will take the Monitoring Group's report into consideration when they're formulating their new Somalia policy. Once again, your insinuations that there is some sort of conspiracy by the group is baffling, to say the least.

in which part of what you said is abdiweli incriminated in anything?, abdiweli claimed that 10mill was received from the UAE during faarmaajo tenure, but that 3.5mill was misappropriated, he also stated that the 5mill that his administration received was deposited completely into the central bank?, from what I read so far, the accused is not abdiweli but faarmaajo, and the fact of this "monitoring group" not being able to confirm this only shows incompetence and bad reporting on their part, if they claim to have "confidential" diplomatic channels, yet cannot confirm a single deposit to the central bank what legitimacy do they have? as for faarmajo if he has nothing to hide he would come out and defend himself just as abdiweli did.

This is your original statement: "the articles states that during faarmajos tenure as a Pm 15 million were donated by the AUE, but that abdiweli who was working under faarmaajo at that time claimed only 10 million was received, and that of that 10 million 3.5 million was mismanaged by Pm faarmaajo, the money was not the responsibility of abdiweli as it was not donated during his term , it was the responsibility of farmaajo, abdiweli is actually defending faarmajo in a way when he says only ten million was donated, but that 3.5 of the ten million was mismanaged, notice he never made a claim about corruption. There is Absolutely nothing in this report that incriminates abdiweli. Thats the simple truth if you wanna argue for the sake of argument we can do that to."

You seem to have changed your argument. As I said after your bizarre comment above, the $15 million reported was actually $10 mil to Farmaajo's admin and $5 mil to Abdiweli, as confirmed by the Monitoring Group. I am not sure where you got the idea that Abdiweli was "protecting" Farmaajo and supposedly claimed they (Farmaajo & Abdiweli) only received 10 mil. Abdiweli was actually trying to claim that Farmaajo's admin embezzled 3.5 mil, which the SEMG could not substantiate.

As for the rest, as I said, the monitoring group was not able to verify Abdiweli's outlandish claims of fund mismanagement, which you now have seemed to realize. However, they have been able to verify Abdiweli's office apparently embezzling $1 mil of South Sudani aid. As I said, you casting doubts on the legitimacy of this monitoring group means little in the greater scheme of things. If you wish to continue believing the UN is out to get Abdiweli, that's your prerogative, I suppose. The UN, however, will use this report to decide what to do with Somalia come August 20th.

[mody21]

In a report detailing the nefarious activities of various political actors in Somalia, the United Nations monitoring group on Somalia mentioned a large number of tax exemptions the PM requested. For the umpteenth time, had the monitoring group not felt something was a bit off, they would not have mentioned what would otherwise be a routine occurrence. I'm not sure why you're getting so touchy about me simply repeating what the monitoring group reported. Since you find this report "suspicious", I assume you think there's some vast UN conspiracy to defame Abdiweli.

There is no vast conspiracy, its just that I find this leaks suspicious, because it high lights what you in your own word describe as "routine" as evidence of fraud, I have read the whole thing, and there is actually nothing defamatory when it comes to abdiweli in this report , he defended himself appropriately and placed the burden of proof on the monitoring group, so far they have not furnished anything worth , being "touchy" about since the only people at the cross hares for now are faarmaajo and the two sharifs, which have so far avoided the spot light instead of defending their "honor". I like how you trying to make it seem like I am a conspiracy theorist , when in fact you are the one who is basing his argument on the hearsay claims of a "leaked" report, instead of making a logical connection as to why something seemingly insignificant and routine for most public service workers (requesting tax exemption for non-profit or other corps who fit the requirements ) is being archived as proof of fraudulent behavior. Instead you are contempt with regurgitating "take it at face value" as though the status of the monitoring group absolves from actually monitoring and archiving "evidence of fraud" , in the world of the sane, monitoring groups are subject to harsh criticism no matter their status, and it is because of this reason that they must have precise and damning evidence, it is because of this reason that I don't take what they say "at face value"

No, the fact that they're the UN Monitoring Group on Somalia should be enough to warrant legitimacy. When they say they have hard evidence, we take their claims at face value. Your opinion matters very little when the Security Council will take the Monitoring Group's report into consideration when they're formulating their new Somalia policy. Once again, your insinuations that there is some sort of conspiracy by the group is baffling, to say the least.

What conspiracy, I have said that I find this report ...not even report this "leak" suspicious, where is my grand conspiracy? among the biggest monitoring groups in the world, the UN Human right monitoring group, and the united states Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) monitoring groups regularly get attacked for misrepresentation or hiding/exaggerating evidence, if every report they made was taken "at face value" , I can guarantee you that many world leaders and corporations would be in trouble, the bigger they are the harder they fall. This is why most monitoring groups go through a lengthy process of research, most often publishing their findings tens/hundreds of years after the fact, they know that they cannot be discredited for being late but they can be discredited for being inaccurate or outright deceitful. As of this moment this report is nothing more than a "leak" when the actual report is made available to the public, and there is evidence "beyond reasonable doubt' I will believe it, you can harp this "conspiracy" point all you want, just know that it only make you look lazy and incapable of making sound judgement based on evidence.

This is your original statement: "the articles states that during faarmajos tenure as a Pm 15 million were donated by the AUE, but that abdiweli who was working under faarmaajo at that time claimed only 10 million was received, and that of that 10 million 3.5 million was mismanaged by Pm faarmaajo, the money was not the responsibility of abdiweli as it was not donated during his term , it was the responsibility of farmaajo, abdiweli is actually defending faarmajo in a way when he says only ten million was donated, but that 3.5 of the ten million was mismanaged, notice he never made a claim about corruption. There is Absolutely nothing in this report that incriminates abdiweli. Thats the simple truth if you wanna argue for the sake of argument we can do that to."

You seem to have changed your argument. As I said after your bizarre comment above, the $15 million reported was actually $10 mil to Farmaajo's admin and $5 mil to Abdiweli, as confirmed by the Monitoring Group. I am not sure where you got the idea that Abdiweli was "protecting" Farmaajo and supposedly claimed they (Farmaajo & Abdiweli) only received 10 mil. Abdiweli was actually trying to claim that Farmaajo's admin embezzled 3.5 mil, which the SEMG could not substantiate.

As for the rest, as I said, the monitoring group was not able to verify Abdiweli's outlandish claims of fund mismanagement, which you now have seemed to realize. However, they have been able to verify Abdiweli's office apparently embezzling $1 mil of South Sudani aid. As I said, you casting doubts on the legitimacy of this monitoring group means little in the greater scheme of things. If you wish to continue believing the UN is out to get Abdiweli, that's your prerogative, I suppose. The UN, however, will use this report to decide what to do with Somalia come August 20th.

There is nothing bizarre about what I said or what abdiweli said for that matter , he stated that faarmaajo admin misappropriated fund in the ball park of 3.5mil, there is nothing outlandish about that statement, it is refutable and subject to the laws of unbiased objective information gathering , something monitoring groups are paid millions each year to do, the strange thing is not that he made that claim , its that the accused refuses to present his side of the story and instead has decided to go into a form of hiding. At this point this point this "report" has not been compiled in a manner that would entitle it being presented to high ranking members of the united nations so that they can make a decision about it. It is compiled in a way that only serves to enlist emotional connections, based on predetermined bias against those accused, there is ..I hesitate to even say "light evidence" which for the most part can be explained by lack of a functioning governmental hierarchy , or system of justice.

A senior TFG official confirmed to the SEMG that the TFG did indeed receive the US$1 million from South Sudan.59 According to internal TFG documents obtained by the SEMG, the PM instructed the Finance Ministry to disburse the funds directly to individual government officials, MPs and political figures, including US$121,700 to his own office. No further information is available as to what these individuals did with the money, or whether any of these funds were in fact spent on reconciliation efforts.

There is nothing in the above statement that incriminates the PM, nor is there any evidence of embezzlement (where do you even get these claims from?) , until recently somalia has been at a cross roads on deciding who to manufacture it currency, there are no systems for accurately managing and distributing funds, most often than not a signature marked with an X and a small sentence regarding what it will be spent on is the only fund tracking system the TGF has, Mr fartaag who a while back did his own research was professional enough to tell that to his audience before hand, so that there was some context.

The second part marked in red is more of the baseline between journalism and fanaticism , and where this whole "report " start to get gray, its hard to explain to an outsider why having proof of guilt is important, rather than insinuating evidence, the office of the Pm might well have distributed the fund to parliamentarians so that projects could be funded or it might have gone to the pockets of corrupt politician, in either case the person who make the allegation has the burden of proof, this is not only for criminal trials but also the litmus test for a report by a monitoring either being presented to high ranking members of world government or being tossed aside as nothing more than fadhikudirir gossip of the day. Lets just see how this whole "report" pans out, I for one want to see how much corruption is going on and who the actual ring leaders are.

[Based]

There is no vast conspiracy, its just that I find this leaks suspicious, because it high lights what you in your own word describe as "routine" as evidence of fraud, I have read the whole thing, and there is actually nothing defamatory when it comes to abdiweli in this report , he defended himself appropriately and placed the burden of proof on the monitoring group, so far they have not furnished anything worth , being "touchy" about since the only people at the cross hares for now are faarmaajo and the two sharifs, which have so far avoided the spot light instead of defending their "honor". I like how you trying to make it seem like I am a conspiracy theorist , when in fact you are the one who is basing his argument on the hearsay claims of a "leaked" report, instead of making a logical connection as to why something seemingly insignificant and routine for most public service workers (requesting tax exemption for non-profit or other corps who fit the requirements ) is being archived as proof of fraudulent behavior. Instead you are contempt with regurgitating "take it at face value" as though the status of the monitoring group absolves from actually monitoring and archiving "evidence of fraud" , in the world of the sane, monitoring groups are subject to harsh criticism no matter their status, and it is because of this reason that they must have precise and damning evidence, it is because of this reason that I don't take what they say "at face value"

Most would consider the UN's monitoring group mentioning an unusually high number of tax exemptions granted to various companies and reporting that South Sudani aid to the tune of $1 mil was rerouted by the office of the PM to parliamentarians and his own office as allegations against Abdiweli, although I'm not too sure why it would be defamatory or libelous when the SEMG has proof it will most likely present with its report to the Security Council. When you claim the UN's monitoring group is somehow basing its report on hearsay and claim that they have not furnished anything of worth, insinuating that the report, and by extension the SEMG, is not legitimate or is driven by some hitherto unknown motive, most would consider that a conspiracy theory. Do you believe the SEMG is lying?

What conspiracy, I have said that I find this report ...not even report this "leak" suspicious, where is my grand conspiracy? among the biggest monitoring groups in the world, the UN Human right monitoring group, and the united states Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) monitoring groups regularly get attacked for misrepresentation or hiding/exaggerating evidence, if every report they made was taken "at face value" , I can guarantee you that many world leaders and corporations would be in trouble, the bigger they are the harder they fall. This is why most monitoring groups go through a lengthy process of research, most often publishing their findings tens/hundreds of years after the fact, they know that they cannot be discredited for being late but they can be discredited for being inaccurate or outright deceitful. As of this moment this report is nothing more than a "leak" when the actual report is made available to the public, and there is evidence "beyond reasonable doubt' I will believe it, you can harp this "conspiracy" point all you want, just know that it only make you look lazy and incapable of making sound judgement based on evidence.

lol, so you don't think there's a conspiracy but you believe this leaked report is suspicious and that monitoring groups are known for misrepresenting, hiding, and exaggerating evidence, insinuating that this monitoring group has some sort of nefarious goal? Most would think those claims are mutually exclusive. As I said before, what the average layman thinks of this report means little. This is the report that will go before the Security Council, and which will be used to determine what course of action to take in Somalia. You might believe that the SEMG has some goal to defame a particular individual, but the United Nations will consult with their monitoring group to formulate its policy on Somalia. I wonder if you also believe the portions implicating the two Sheikhs in the embezzlement of millions are somehow being misrepresented by the monitoring group?

There is nothing bizarre about what I said or what abdiweli said for that matter , he stated that faarmaajo admin misappropriated fund in the ball park of 3.5mil, there is nothing outlandish about that statement, it is refutable and subject to the laws of unbiased objective information gathering , something monitoring groups are paid millions each year to do, the strange thing is not that he made that claim , its that the accused refuses to present his side of the story and instead has decided to go into a form of hiding. At this point this point this "report" has not been compiled in a manner that would entitle it being presented to high ranking members of the united nations so that they can make a decision about it. It is compiled in a way that only serves to enlist emotional connections, based on predetermined bias against those accused, there is ..I hesitate to even say "light evidence" which for the most part can be explained by lack of a functioning governmental hierarchy , or system of justice.

A senior TFG official confirmed to the SEMG that the TFG did indeed receive the US$1 million from South Sudan.59 According to internal TFG documents obtained by the SEMG, the PM instructed the Finance Ministry to disburse the funds directly to individual government officials, MPs and political figures, including US$121,700 to his own office. No further information is available as to what these individuals did with the money, or whether any of these funds were in fact spent on reconciliation efforts.

There is nothing in the above statement that incriminates the PM, nor is there any evidence of embezzlement (where do you even get these claims from?) , until recently somalia has been at a cross roads on deciding who to manufacture it currency, there are no systems for accurately managing and distributing funds, most often than not a signature marked with an X and a small sentence regarding what it will be spent on is the only fund tracking system the TGF has, Mr fartaag who a while back did his own research was professional enough to tell that to his audience before hand, so that there was some context.

The second part marked in red is more of the baseline between journalism and fanaticism , and where this whole "report " start to get gray, its hard to explain to an outsider why having proof of guilt is important, rather than insinuating evidence, the office of the Pm might well have distributed the fund to parliamentarians so that projects could be funded or it might have gone to the pockets of corrupt politician, in either case the person who make the allegation has the burden of proof, this is not only for criminal trials but also the litmus test for a report by a monitoring either being presented to high ranking members of world government or being tossed aside as nothing more than fadhikudirir gossip of the day. Lets just see how this whole "report" pans out, I for one want to see how much corruption is going on and who the actual ring leaders are.

Yes there is, you changed your argument after you probably reread the report. I already highlighted the discrepancies in your argument, and you can reread my post if you wish. There's no need to repeat my myself ad nauseam. As for Farmaajo, the only thing "implicating" him in any embezzlement is a claim from his successor and political rival, Abdiweli, which was unable to be substantiated by the SEMG as they themselves admit. As for Abdiweli, yes, the office might have distributed the funds to PMs for the stated purposes, but the SEMG clearly felt that the odd management of the funds once again warranted a mention in the report. When the report states that over 10% of the funds were directly funneled to the person of Abdiweli, substantiated by the internal TFG documents the SEMG obtained (which you bizarrely claimed is not "provable", or deserves some sort of "scrutiny"), the implication is that the money was embezzled. I guess according to your view of the monitoring group as a shady group that is exaggerating and deliberately misreporting its findings, you still hold the belief that you need some sort of "proof" outside of their report.

I suppose we will see whether the UN holds your view come August. Somehow I highly doubt they will question the legitimacy of their own monitoring group.

[Rightwing]

here is the confidential document about the corruption:
http://www.raxanreeb.com/wp-content/upl ... t_2012.pdf