Puntland VS Matt Bryden

[Zuluc]

KhaliD Ali

listen my father actally used to work in the somali military so I am not just talking from my ass

SNM had around 5000 fighthers most of them were based in Ethiopia and they used to do hit and run attack aganist somalias army but not anything serious

SNM were never a threat to the regime those who destroyed the regime was USC when every house in Xamar was shooting aganist the government thats when we fleed to save our lifes

[skywalker25]

War Khalid I find the fellow very strange.
We Isaaq's to a man were routing for a Hawiye president and this guy wants to see the demise of Isaaq.

[Khalid Ali]

War Khalid I find the fellow very strange.
We Isaaq's to a man were routing for a Hawiye president and this guy wants to see the demise of Isaaq.

Abdiwahaab would've accepted a daarood president so that he could be second to a daarood

Walahi if Crazywelly and hassan sh mahamuud were in the final he would've supported crazywelly so that he will be his prime minister

[AbdiWahab252]

War Khalid I find the fellow very strange.
We Isaaq's to a man were routing for a Hawiye president and this guy wants to see the demise of Isaaq.

Issaq pretend to be friends of Hawiye but are secretly in love with the Darood. Lets see was it not the Issaq who went to Puntland to make peace between Caade Muse and Cabdullahi Yusuf but swore to arrest any Issaq who went to Mudug to help end the Sacad-Saleban fighting.

[Khalid Ali]

KhaliD Ali

listen my father actally used to work in the somali military so I am not just talking from my ass

SNM had around 5000 fighthers most of them were based in Ethiopia and they used to do hit and run attack aganist somalias army but not anything serious

SNM were never a threat to the regime those who destroyed the regime was USC when every house in Xamar was shooting aganist the government thats when we fleed to save our lifes

A Country that is getting military aid from the USA and had the country under its grip would've not been defeated by just one rebel movement its illogical fact is the regime was brain dead in the mid 1990s It was because the Military was defecting in huge numbers the country being bankrupts and rebellion both first in the north and in the last 2 years in the south.

[Khalid Ali]

Streetwalker,

Put on your best diiraac and get a new white man to defend the . Remember, everyone has to do their part for icitraaf

Khalid,

Saxiib, if only the other Issaq knew about your family's loyal service to the NSS and how their snitching helped lock up so many SNM, you wouldn't be yelling

My sub sub sub sub clan and closest family fought the hardest in hargeysa had the most fighters in hargeysa district from 1988 till 1990

We financed the SNM from Saudi arabia Djibouti south Africa Merry old England

My sub sub clan had 2 SNM chairmans of the 5 SNM chairmans

Siad bare nominating my sub sub clan as his vice president in late 1989 was because he was panicking because he lost hargeysa

[Zuluc]

Khalid aLI

Listen I am actally family with the NSS people who had the political war aganist SNM as a job, SNM was defeated mentally by 1985 and military in 1988

AbdiWahab

The funny thing is that I can be in Hargeysa and being called a somaliander sister while they will call you a dirty Walaweyn after what you did for them

[Khalid Ali]

War Khalid I find the fellow very strange.
We Isaaq's to a man were routing for a Hawiye president and this guy wants to see the demise of Isaaq.

Issaq pretend to be friends of Hawiye but are secretly in love with the Darood. Lets see was it not the Issaq who went to Puntland to make peace between Caade Muse and Cabdullahi Yusuf but swore to arrest any Issaq who went to Mudug to help end the Sacad-Saleban fighting.

Actually abdi wahaab boqor buur madow told the Hawiye elders let me make peace between TFG / Cali geedi and the ICU
guess who said we do not want ur mediation cali muhammad geedi
What do you want us to do for you?

Zuluc i will ignore u from now

[Meyle]

Do you think the General siad bare govt could've been easily defeated in just 2 years the regime was weakened from 1986 till the end of 1988 the army was weakened with in a few years , 2/3 of the army being stationed in Somaliland with mass defection to the SNM from 1986 till 1988 army generals from hiiraan were defecting to the SNM. The Somali govt at that time was getting Military aid from the united states and before that from the Soviet union. But in the 80s Somalia was about to be bankrupt because of the war with Ethiopia the state was economically in deep shit, living on aid . Rebels like the SNM they were the only rebel movement fighting from 1984 till 1989. So there were many factors that Killed the regime.

I agree, the 77-78 war destroyed Somalias economy. Instead of doing something about it, Siyaad Barre increased the military budget through foreign aid with the hope of regaining Somali galbeed (especially the Ogaden not the reserve area) later on, which lead to the border clashes with Ethiopia in the early 80's. Prior to that though the majerteens were on the rise and wanted to overthrow Barre. Morgan was allegedly a part of the planned coup d'état and it is believed that he later betrayed his clan. However the Majerteen made peace with the government on the basis of Daroodnimo which became the new consensus. Other clans were instead targeted, it was Isaaq and Hawiye. The latter being targeted in Kenya aswell. It is believed that the Somali regime was behind the wagalla massacre on Hawiye like Degodiya and Gaaljecel, no Darood were targeted in Kenya. (I wonder why). This genocide based on clan affiliation lead to the establishment of SNM in London and they were the first guerilla group to fight for their rights.

[Zuluc]

MeyleSaamale

afcouse siyad had to make the army more strong after 77, 36 communist nations was just outside Somalia did you want him to build shopping malls? in 77 the somali army under leadership of siyad barre liberated somali galbeed including your tribal issaq areas

lool tell me about the socalled abuse and genocide on Isaq before 1981? SNM were figthing for power and tribalism just like SSDF

[Meyle]

MeyleSaamale

afcouse siyad had to make the army more strong after 77, 36 communist nations was just outside Somalia did you want him to build shopping malls? in 77 the somali army under leadership of siyad barre liberated somali galbeed including your tribal issaq areas

lool tell me about the socalled abuse and genocide on Isaq before 1981? SNM were figthing for power and tribalism just like SSDF

Siyaad Barre did many tactical mistakes, one of these being that he kicked the Sovietunion out of Somalia without making sure of having full support from the United States. This lead to logistic problems for the Somali army because all the equipment was from the Soviet and during the war when the army recaptured Somali territory they were also running out of ammunition, spare parts etc not being able to buy from Soviet because of bad relations while the United States was given access to use our sea as a Naval base not helping us against Soviet, Cuba, Ethiopia, South Yemen, Libya and the entire communist bloc except China (that supported Somalia.).

There was no genocide prior to 81 but as the Somali economy became worse the parts of Somalia that were least developed (many of these places being in the north) was affected the most. This lead to dissatisfaction growing amongst the population in the north. The regime viewed it as a situation that would escalate into full chaos. Instead of solving the economic problem, Siyaad Barre ordered the military to crush the uprising, which lead to systematic abuse and violence and SNM was created to defend their people, not to overthrow Siyaad Barre for economic gains like the SSDF.

[Meyle]

MeyleSaamale

afcouse siyad had to make the army more strong after 77, 36 communist nations was just outside Somalia did you want him to build shopping malls? in 77 the somali army under leadership of siyad barre liberated somali galbeed including your tribal issaq areas

lool tell me about the socalled abuse and genocide on Isaq before 1981? SNM were figthing for power and tribalism just like SSDF

How could I miss that part.. You're speaking of the Somali army as if Isaaq was absent from it and that we should be happy that other Somalis liberated our land for us.

Listen.. Many Isaaqs fought the 77-78 war, I have many relatives that fought this war and what you just wrote is disrespectful so either re-write your post or dont write at all.

[Zuluc]

SNM were created in 81, actally the Issaq was free from paying some taxes which the rest of the country was paying, remember Somalia was a poor country do you think it was realistic to make every city look Xamar? las anod and Borama was also poor but they did not betray their country by joining habashi based tratiors

lool what interest did the somali army have in abusing inocent civians in 81? try to be logical

SNM were figthing for gaining power not a desire to get a democratic government, all the men in the SNM were working for Siyad in the 1970s

there was no public uprising in Isaq cities thats why SNM had to break the war to civlians areas and in the proces killing 50000 of their own people

[Zuluc]

AUN to all the heros of 77 regardless of clan

[SultanOrder]

Streetwalker,

Put on your best diiraac and get a new white man to defend the . Remember, everyone has to do their part for icitraaf

Khalid,

Saxiib, if only the other Issaq knew about your family's loyal service to the NSS and how their snitching helped lock up so many SNM, you wouldn't be yelling

My sub sub sub sub clan and closest family fought the hardest in hargeysa had the most fighters in hargeysa district from 1988 till 1990

We financed the SNM from Saudi arabia Djibouti south Africa Merry old England

My sub sub clan had 2 SNM chairmans of the 5 SNM chairmans

Siad bare nominating my sub sub clan as his vice president in late 1989 was because he was panicking because he lost hargeysa

Khalid, SNM were long defeated before 1990, and 88 was their last actions. SNM never captured a major town, nor were they able to hold anything. They were a simple guerrilla outfit that was working in the baadiyas were there was lil government forces. It wasn't until January of 91 that SNM captured hargeisa and by that time the government already left.