Possible repercussions of gender imbalances

[Jam Street]

Ugaas Lamagoodle - education is always good. I am a big time pro-education for women guy. But you know what I can't stand?

I can't stand when I see a woman over the age of 30 with no husband or kids, and when you ask why she doesn't have a family she starts to lecture you about the importance of education and how she is still concentrating on her academic goal. Walaahi I can't help but to think, "b!tch do you think a piece of paper (which you might end up using as a pillow) oo laguugu kor wasaayo is more important than a family"

Saaxiib the biggest lies our people were told is: "waxbarasho lagama weynaado". That is why you sometimes see a 50 yrs old fool telling you he wants to get a bachelor's degree. War waxaan aduunka bas ee ku anfacee and at that age your life is about to expire do other more important things.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Jam street you are right in that nobody shoild pursue education just for the sake of it. It should be a means to an end. But a 50 yr old chasing a bachelors is still better than a 50 yr old chasing sheeko at a mafrish.

[Jam Street]

Liquid - I agree with everything you said. However, the alternative doesn't have to be at the marfish. When I was at uni I met this 48 yrs old Student from Nepal. He told me he's aiming for his fourth masters degree. I asked him why he was wasting his time because life is short. And his reply was what you would expect from most brainwashed idiots that say one can never grow out of school. I mean the guy was 50 and has no work experience. Motherfocker when are you going to use these useless papers that are taking away your time and money? Aakhiro maa shaqo ku raadsane?

[Estarix]

Whats the point of doing a degree today if its not technical/science related which many somali women dont do. And there are other degree with low job prospects such as Law which is full up.
And the average degree doesn't get you far nowadays in this job market, apparently your doomed with a third class degree. Degrees have never been so overrated today.

[Jam Street]

Whats the point of doing a degree today if its not technical/science related which many somali women dont do. And there are other degree with low job prospects such as Law which is full up.
And the average degree doesn't get you far nowadays in this job market, apparently your doomed with a third class degree. Degrees have never been so overrated today.

Most billionaires never went to university and that is a fact. Street smart folks are way more successful than book smarts.

[Estarix]

Ugaas Lamagoodle - education is always good. I am a big time pro-education for women guy. But you know what I can't stand?

I can't stand when I see a woman over the age of 30 with no husband or kids, and when you ask why she doesn't have a family she starts to lecture you about the importance of education and how she is still concentrating on her academic goal. Walaahi I can't help but to think, "b!tch do you think a piece of paper (which you might end up using as a pillow) oo laguugu kor wasaayo is more important than a family"

Saaxiib the biggest lies our people were told is: "waxbarasho lagama weynaado". That is why you sometimes see a 50 yrs old fool telling you he wants to get a bachelor's degree. War waxaan aduunka bas ee ku anfacee and at that age your life is about to expire do other more important things.

Why should a unmarried woman (who is not a relative) bother any1? Do you have a vested business/personal stake in overseeing a rise in somali population? lol
If she is unmarried that is her loss or her gain and she bears the responsibility. If her delusions caused her to commit mistakes that's her downfall.

[Jam Street]

It don't bother me what any b!tch does brother. I am just pointing the fact that such mindset is wrong, you understand?

[Estarix]

gartey

[Lillaahiya]

But when their small brains are occupied with the garbage they learn in their sociology, Psychology, Nursing etc they become intolerably stupid

Now you could argue that arts/humanity degrees are 'useless' w/o a post graduate degree but nursing

[Lamagoodle]

Education is crucial to emancipation.

I think this statement here is worth having a discussion about. People often equate having an education with freedom in today's world. Although I do agree that knowledge is power, having a formal education does not make one free, especially for minorities. Even the term minority denotes that you belong to a group with limited social, political and economic power/influence. With or without a degree, a visible minority is still subjected to types of institutionalized racism and/or other social obstacles. Education aides in opening one's mind, gaining perspective, looking into past historical accounts, basically becoming a conscious individual, and this type of education doesn't have to be institutionalized. We often don't associate autodidactism with contemporary education but it's crucial for one's own development.

As for losernimo, parents' will often write off a man with lower level credentials than their daughter as a loser. That includes men with degrees, diplomas and/or certificates. Having two degrees or a masters doesn't necessarily mean your daughter will make more money than a man with a bachelor's, especially in this economy. We're also at a point of history where the value of a post secondary degree/diploma in the marketplace has diminished. As a community we should start accepting people who have taken alternative routes, such as attending a technical college or learning a trade, as suitable partners and providers.

SOme excellent points! It is hard to disagree. However, the subject was on university education. It was not education in general or the issue of knowledge in society. As Polany and Hayek wrote decades ago, we all know that knowledge (tacit/codified) is important. Academic degrees are not neccessarily what determines success. We cannot, however, deny that university education is important. About the diminishing of university education ; that says nothing. Statistically, university degree holders are still faring well in the labour market. Diminishing does not mean not important. There is a positive relationship between aggregated earnings and university degrees (that is a fact).

[Lamagoodle]

So the problem is the "institution" aka Somali culture and normative practices....and as indicted by your observation to be ill fated with unchallenged men at its helm, to which a redress is only possible through the course of emancipation of the women folk via eduction.

Henceforth the "disintegration" of the country and the dawn of new life in a new social body where the Somali female's bright future is partially realized in the diaspora. Problematic in its own rite, educating the girls posed a gender gab in the eduction and workforce. A new reality dawns in the Somali community where girls outperform boys in schools and boys grow up to be "losers" destined for "fadhikudirir" And what's girl to do but marry one such man as she's still in the fold of her institution's counsel outside of this would be met with the disapproval of her parents... and to challenge this, we are further unravelling a deeper issue... The problem continues. Allahu Akbar!

So, I agree with your assessment..to an extent. The problem is "institution" devoid of equitable values for amicable gender roles and relations, the one left behind as well as current(diaspora)

Happy woman's day?? Ok, Many happy days.... Inspiration, improvement and achievement that predates march 8th and this borrowed modern movement.

Zuleika,

Tell us about your observations in your neck of the world. I am of the opinion that girls out perform boys even at the primary/secondary level. This is a universal issue.

[Lamagoodle]

Somali females are not too bright to begin with. But when their small brains are occupied with the garbage they learn in their sociology, Psychology, Nursing etc they become intolerably stupid. Don't get offended ladies, the somali male brain isn't much bigger.

LOL. That is garbage saaxib.

[Lamagoodle]

Interesting discusssion. I think one of the reasons why Somali guys don't do as good as the girls in school is because they socialize too much. For example, almost every Somali community, in any given city in the diaspora, has a little place where Somali guys gather and socialize. Call it fadhi ku dirir or not. They waste massive amounts of time talking or playing board games. Also most Somali guys are active in sports and would spend huge chunks of their time playing soccer or basketball. On the other hand Somali girls dont really go out much. If they are not on cumpus or at work, they are home. This works to their advantage and I think as some people mentioned both the boys and the girls should be groomed from young age if we are to eliminate this problem.

[Lamagoodle]

You have to understand the somali mentality is still stuck in the middle-ages. They still think the trades are low-wage, demeaning vocations. The truth is in the modern age technical jobs are highly demanded and also, depending on where you live, are well-paid. Not as prestigious and lucrative like a doctor or engineer, but I'd rather my son learn a trade than earn a degree in mickey mouse studies.

Liquid, the world is changing; technical jobs demand university education.

[Lamagoodle]

Ugaas Lamagoodle - education is always good. I am a big time pro-education for women guy. But you know what I can't stand?

I can't stand when I see a woman over the age of 30 with no husband or kids, and when you ask why she doesn't have a family she starts to lecture you about the importance of education and how she is still concentrating on her academic goal. Walaahi I can't help but to think, "b!tch do you think a piece of paper (which you might end up using as a pillow) oo laguugu kor wasaayo is more important than a family"

Saaxiib the biggest lies our people were told is: "waxbarasho lagama weynaado". That is why you sometimes see a 50 yrs old fool telling you he wants to get a bachelor's degree. War waxaan aduunka bas ee ku anfacee and at that age your life is about to expire do other more important things.

Malaaq Jam, fad ama yaanan fadin saaxib; we shall see alot of 40+ somali women who have degrees and not married. The problem is that there are probably a few men with degrees that she could marry.


What is wrong with studying at 60? 70? I see no problem.