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Jugjugwacwac wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:
But it's ideals that influence reality. Liberty? Justice? Pursuit of Wealth? Ring a bell?

I am the kind of person to go and help undo all the ills of Somalia. I'm just that kind of person. I might fail, I might die or I might become burnt out and disillusioned but I at least tried and contributed. That's all that matters to me.

And this is what seperates great men from lesser men. Great men live for a purpose beyond themselves. They live to uphold lofty ideals, often to their own physical and financial detriment, and serve as beacons of hope and guidance for the common man. These are the men who make history. Lesser men live for material comforts and security because they are selfish and cowardly, and their legacies don't live beyond their eulogies.

There is greatness in a man who upholds the responsibilities that he has taken upon himself i.e being a husband, father, etc. We shouldn't knock people off as lesser than others simply because they choose to define differently what is important for them or how they live their life. I have so much respect for the common man who slaves for the comfort and security of those who he is responsible for.

SummerRain wrote:
There is greatness in a man who upholds the responsibilities that he has taken upon himself i.e being a husband, father, etc. We shouldn't knock people off as lesser than others simply because they choose to define differently what is important for them or how they live their life. I have so much respect for the common man who slaves for the comfort and security of those who he is responsible for.

One of the many problems we're suffering from in our current politically correct, self-esteem/everyone gets a prize culture is the debasement of langauge. The conceptual bouandaries denoted by certain words are enlarged to encapsulate more and more people, putting inflationary pressures on terms almost to the point of meaninglessness. Nowadays everyone is strong, great, a pioneer, a genius (idiots like Kanye). Im sorry SummerRain, but the men you describe are not great men. A great man is one who is set apart from his peers, and such a distinction is an impossibilty if he is among the masses of the common man. But I do concede that I was overly harsh in my original post by describing all lesser men as selfish and cowardly. What I meant to say was, those men who have the capability of doing more but don't do so out of fear or worldy considerations are the selfish and cowardly ones. But the men you describe who are doing their best by focusing on their families are definitely good men, but by no means great.

Jugjugwacwac wrote:

SummerRain wrote:
There is greatness in a man who upholds the responsibilities that he has taken upon himself i.e being a husband, father, etc. We shouldn't knock people off as lesser than others simply because they choose to define differently what is important for them or how they live their life. I have so much respect for the common man who slaves for the comfort and security of those who he is responsible for.

One of the many problems we're suffering from in our current politically correct, self-esteem/everyone gets a prize culture is the debasement of langauge. The conceptual bouandaries denoted by certain words are enlarged to encapusulate more and more people, putting inflationary pressures on terms almost to the point of meaninglessness. Nowadays everyone is strong, great, a pioneer, a genius (idiots like Kanye). Im sorry SummerRain, but the men you describe are not great men. A great man is one who is set apart from his peers, and such a distinction is an impossibilty if he is among the masses of the common man. But I do concede that I was overly harsh in my original post by describing all lesser men as selfish and cowardly. What I meant to say was, those men who have the capability of doing more but don't do so out of fear or worldy considerations are the selfish and cowardly ones. But the men you describe who are doing their best by focusing on their families are definitely good men, but by no means great.

Do you consider yourself to be great? Making a decision to move to Somalia seems like pretty low hanging criteria.

Jaidi wrote:
Do you consider yourself to be great? Making a decision to move to Somalia seems like pretty low hanging criteria.

No I don't. I have a lot of work to do before I reach that status, but my goal is to die a great man haduu Illaahay nafta ii daayo. My criteria wasn't moving to Somalia. The criteria is to embody and champion lofty ideals and to influence and change your environment instead of your environment influencing and changing you.

LiquidHYDROGEN,Jugjugwacwac

Again I admire that, but truth be told You have to admit that this is nothing but fluff coming from You Guys right now because I'd bet My bottom dollar You are posting from a IP Address in the United Kingdom or somewhere in the West. You're going to need to bump this thread after a year in Somalia to have credibility on this issue, because while You are talking these ideals I'm being upfront in saying that I don't care about them right now. Truth is though the end the day We're both the same as We speak right now. Simple words will not poof, bring sanitation, water, telecommunications and security to a tuulo overnight. So, again those are great words and all but action is needed for credibility because although You speak of legacy, right now Your legacy on fulfilling those ideals is pretty much zero.

Jugjugwacwac wrote:

Jaidi wrote:
Do you consider yourself to be great? Making a decision to move to Somalia seems like pretty low hanging criteria.

No I don't. I have a lot of work to do before I reach that status, but my goal is to die a great man haduu Illaahay nafta ii daayo. My criteria wasn't moving to Somalia. The criteria is to embody and champion lofty ideals and to influence and change your environment instead of your environment influencing and changing you.

Fair enough

Murax wrote:LiquidHYDROGEN,Jugjugwacwac

Again I admire that, but truth be told You have to admit that this is nothing but fluff coming from You Guys right now because I'd bet My bottom dollar You are posting from a IP Address in the United Kingdom or somewhere in the West. You're going to need to bump this thread after a year in Somalia to have credibility on this issue, because while You are talking these ideals I'm being upfront in saying that I don't care about them right now. Truth is though the end the day We're both the same as We speak right now. Simple words will not poof, bring sanitation, water, telecommunications and security to a tuulo overnight. So, again those are great words and all but action is needed for credibility because although You speak of legacy, right now Your legacy on fulfilling those ideals is pretty much zero.

Challenge accepted.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:

Murax wrote:LiquidHYDROGEN,Jugjugwacwac

Again I admire that, but truth be told You have to admit that this is nothing but fluff coming from You Guys right now because I'd bet My bottom dollar You are posting from a IP Address in the United Kingdom or somewhere in the West. You're going to need to bump this thread after a year in Somalia to have credibility on this issue, because while You are talking these ideals I'm being upfront in saying that I don't care about them right now. Truth is though the end the day We're both the same as We speak right now. Simple words will not poof, bring sanitation, water, telecommunications and security to a tuulo overnight. So, again those are great words and all but action is needed for credibility because although You speak of legacy, right now Your legacy on fulfilling those ideals is pretty much zero.

Challenge accepted.

For the many that need Your help there, may Allah help You in this challenge

In Somalia many of the internet companies give you a South African IP address. So, you can't even proof that you are there from just IP.

Jugjugwacwac wrote:

SummerRain wrote:
There is greatness in a man who upholds the responsibilities that he has taken upon himself i.e being a husband, father, etc. We shouldn't knock people off as lesser than others simply because they choose to define differently what is important for them or how they live their life. I have so much respect for the common man who slaves for the comfort and security of those who he is responsible for.

One of the many problems we're suffering from in our current politically correct, self-esteem/everyone gets a prize culture is the debasement of langauge. The conceptual bouandaries denoted by certain words are enlarged to encapsulate more and more people, putting inflationary pressures on terms almost to the point of meaninglessness. Nowadays everyone is strong, great, a pioneer, a genius (idiots like Kanye). Im sorry SummerRain, but the men you describe are not great men. A great man is one who is set apart from his peers, and such a distinction is an impossibilty if he is among the masses of the common man. But I do concede that I was overly harsh in my original post by describing all lesser men as selfish and cowardly. What I meant to say was, those men who have the capability of doing more but don't do so out of fear or worldy considerations are the selfish and cowardly ones. But the men you describe who are doing their best by focusing on their families are definitely good men, but by no means great.

I agree on the highlighted point, but still stand by what I wrote. I wish you all the best in being the best man you can be walaal.

SummerRain wrote:
I agree on the highlighted point, but still stand by what I wrote. I wish you all the best in being the best man you can be walaal.

You know what, I think ur right. Considering how a lot of Somali men in the West, and even back home, shirk their familial responsibilities and how incredibly difficult it is to not only provide for ones family but to be a moral guide for them in this day and age, it does take a great Somali man to have parents who are pleased with him, a wife who adores and looks up to him and children who are upright and take him as a role model.

Jugjugwacwac

The man in your avatar is known as a man who betrayed his country and people by joining the Ethiopians

Tanker wrote:Jugjugwacwac

The man in your avatar is known as a man who betrayed his country and people by joining the Ethiopians

I'm aware that this is how many view his legacy, but that only works if one equates the Siyaad Barre regime with Somalia as a country. To rebel against ones government isn't tantamount to betraying ones country. Also you need to be more precise, the SNM didn't join the Ethiopians, but benifited from a mutually beneficial arrangement in which the rebels would overthrow Barre and the Ethiopians would have the Somalis turn their guns on each other instead of on them. The Ethiopian interests ofcourse were implicit and went unstated. I personally believe this was a terrible mistake on the part of the SNM and other contemporaneous clan-based rebel groups. Cabdullahi Yusuf of the SSDF, Cabdiraxman Tuur/Siilaanyo of the SNM, Cumar Jees of the SPM and Caydiid of the USC, none of them intended to betray their country, but in the end this didnt matter since their actions led to a irrevocably weak and fragmented Somalia with Ethiopia as it's overlord. Also, Tanker, don't forget that Tuur died as an opponent of secession, though I'm certain he would've changed his position if he lived long enough for the cynicism and deep frustration to set in, as it did with the Professor Ahmed Samatar. .

Jugjugwacwac wrote:

SummerRain wrote:
I agree on the highlighted point, but still stand by what I wrote. I wish you all the best in being the best man you can be walaal.

You know what, I think ur right. Considering how a lot of Somali men in the West, and even back home, shirk their familial responsibilities and how incredibly difficult it is to not only provide for ones family but to be a moral guide for them in this day and age, it does take a great Somali man to have parents who are pleased with him, a wife who adores and looks up to him and children who are upright and take him as a role model.

I am not saying it's haram to be against Siyad Barre but the big evil they did was to be based in Ethiopia the greatest enemy of Somalia and by that they betrayed their own country.... the American opposition do not get help from North Korea.....