Jugjugwacwac DNA results

[Djiboutian]

You're being a bit dramatic here don't you think? I didn't take part in destroying the country, so there's nothing I need to apologize for. As for having Cabdiraxmaan Tuur as my avatar, I'll change it once I get bored. I don't hate the SNM like you seem to do. I just think they made a grave mistake for which we're still paying the price.

You didn't take part in destroying the country but you put someone who did as your avatar, what do you call that?

[Siciid85]

Tuur AUN destroyed Somaliland?

Tuur was Somaliland first President and is respected. What he did as SNM chairman overshadows the decisions he took in his last years. A Djiboutian like you has no place to badmouth a man of his caliber.

[abdikarim86]

Tuur AUN destroyed Somaliland?

Tuur was Somaliland first President and is respected. What he did as SNM chairman overshadows the decisions he took in his last years. A Djiboutian like you has no place to badmouth a man of his caliber.

I think Djiboutian may be trying to point out Jugjugwacwac's (alleged) hypocrisy.

Jugjugwacwac would have preferred the rule of Siyaad Barre and the Kacaan
and he obviously disagrees with the actions the SNM took.

[Siciid85]

Tuur AUN destroyed Somaliland?

Tuur was Somaliland first President and is respected. What he did as SNM chairman overshadows the decisions he took in his last years. A Djiboutian like you has no place to badmouth a man of his caliber.

I think Djiboutian may be trying to point out Jugjugwacwac's (alleged) hypocrisy.

Jugjugwacwac would have preferred the rule of Siyaad Barre and the Kacaan
and he obviously disagrees with the actions the SNM took.

Oh. I get it. In that case my apologies. I probably should have read the whole thread

[Jugjugwacwac]

Jugjugwacwac would have preferred the rule of Siyaad Barre and the Kacaan
and he obviously disagrees with the actions the SNM took.

Where did I say I preferred the rule of siyaad barre and the kacaan? I've said numerous times the kacaan was messed up. If the SNM, USC and other rebel groups were able to build an inclusive government and stabilize Somalia, no one would miss the kacaan. But that didn't happen did it?

[Djiboutian]

Let me ask u a question. Are you happy with the status quo of Somaliland and of Somalis in general? If yes, then we disagree. If no, then wouldnt it have been better to go about reforming the government instead of destroying it and the country in the process?

No, I am not happy with the status quo of Somaliland nor I am happy with status of Somalia. Unlike you I would love to see Somaliland a recognized country and I am not happy with Somalia being under Ethiopian and Kenyan control

Jugjugwacwac

Never accept being bullied into having opinion based on tribalism you made a logical response to 2 decades of human suffering much respect for you only a coward and small minded person will allow others to think for him.... and that includes a lot of darood people too....

Thanks bro. Ur right, we have extemists on all sides. To think they can't fathom me being isaaq purely because I disagree with them is mind-boggling to say the least. It just goes to show how people can become delusional when they rarely step out of their echo-chambers and circle-jerking sessions.

Individuals should not support their clans for sentimental reasons. I recall Djibouti greatest Poet Abwaan Ibrahim Sheikh Suleiman " Ibrahim Gadhle " (Rahimahu Allah) poem Mulaax:
" Maskaxdaduu yay noqon
Maqal lagula leyahay
Yan toban muftaxiiyo
Lagu furan masaabiir " .

I welcome free thinker like Abwaan Ibrahim did.

Djiboutian Greatest Poet said also in his poem Mulaax:

" Midigtaadu yay noqon
Mid tolkeed u muruq-weyn
Murjinkaagu yu noqon
Magli dila walalkii "

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" Maskaxdaduu yay noqon
Maqal lagula leyahay
Yan toban muftaxiiyo
Lagu furan masaabiir

Waxa shalayto mudatiyo .... Union with Somalia in 1960
Ma - hadhada xasuusnow
Halki qoridu ka muday
Mar labad lugtaadiyo
Yan cagtaduu kula marin ..... Never repeat the same mistake young lad

@Based. I think I distinctly remember agreeing that Afweyne was not ruthless enough. I also said that he could have avoided the whole war if he simply allowed the North some concessions and liberties. No where did I say that I agreed with him or found him and his policies as anything except abhorrent.

So we agree more than we disagree then. Siyaad was bad, no doubt. And he should have either given concessions or quickly and swiftly put down the rebellion, with as minimal civilian casualities as possible. Where we differ is, you think that despite our current situation the war to topple him was worth it, while I don't. Doesn't mean i'm a kacaanist or that im pro siyaad barre.

I do agree with you too the war to topple him was not worth it. He should quickly and swiftly put down the rebellion. I said I agree with you that the war to topple him was not worth because I believe even the swines bloods worth more than Afweyn blood forget about hundards of thousands of Somalilanders who lost their lives. Instead of asking yourself why Afweyn didn't negogiate with SNM and listen to their demands instead of negogiating with Mingistu, Somali Republic biggest enemy who killed thousands of Somalis, you are saying " Siyaad Barre should quickly and swiftly put the the rebellion with as minimal civilian casualities as possible. What an idea? You reminded me of him. You claim to care about Somalis suffer but in fact you don't

Do you understand the concept of self-determination? It's the most important things on earth and I got it full stop.

Self-determination? You're acting like you were under the yolk of a foreign power or something. Bro, before the SNM was created, and many of the Isaaq in the kacaan defected, we were well-represented in Afwayne's regime. This is a fact. Was his government corrupt and ruthless? Yes. But was it worth toppling it and plunging the south into perpetual chaos and anarchy and leaving Somaliland a fledgling nation, struggling to provide the basics for its citizens for decades to come? Not to mention the countless people who perished in the rebellions on all sides and the ugly clan wars that led to neighbour killing neighbour rwanda style, the wounds which are still yet to heal. And don't forget a lost and rudderless diaspora who are just one decade away from social break down levels similar to the african americans, with their single-moms, crime, violence and general degeneracy and lack of class. I personally wouldn't think it was worth it even if Somaliland was flourishing, because I can't help but feel the situation in the south is my plight too, because they're my peopl. But with Somaliland itself having nothing to offer its citizens except a fragile clan mediated peace, poverty, political limbo, predatory politicians and tahriib , leading our youth to die in the high seas, i'm even more convinced that the so called liberation war was in fact responsible for our bondage, placing our destinies squarely in the hands of filthy xabashis and san-gadhuudhi's, who only a couple of decades before would have trembled at the mention of the mighty Somali army. We Isaaqs are savvy and blessed with resources...we could've found another way instead of burning the house down.

Couldn't say it better.

I'm just wondering Jugjugwacwac why did you put ungrateful person like Ex. Ambassador Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali as your avatar? He violated his oath of office and joined desperado who destoryed Somalia ...... First of all, Somalilanders were not well presented either in Afweyn regime nor in Sharmarkeh/Adan Cade regime. Those are the people who were over represented in Afweyn regime even before SNM were created.



Muj. Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali was a great man who couldn't tolerate injustice so I was wondering why such a guy like you put Muj. Abdulrahman photo as his avatar. Now I know. So fadlan sawiirka Mujahidka maamuska iyo sharfata mudan inu da'a. You can put Afweyn photo instead.

You're being a bit dramatic here don't you think? I didn't take part in destroying the country, so there's nothing I need to apologize for. As for having Cabdiraxmaan Tuur as my avatar, I'll change it once I get bored. I don't hate the SNM like you seem to do. I just think they made a grave mistake for which we're still paying the price.

Where did I say I preferred the rule of siyaad barre and the kacaan? I've said numerous times the kacaan was messed up. If the SNM, USC and other rebel groups were able to build an inclusive government and stabilize Somalia, no one would miss the kacaan. But that didn't happen did it?

I approve this message. SNM, SSDF, SPM and USC destroyed Somalia. Bad governance is better than chaos and humiliation any day.[/b]

Just view your last 3 quotes above and you will notice how contradict you sound!!
Again since you believe SNM destoryed Somalia then maxaad sawiirka Muj. Abdulrahman ula wareegaysa forum-ka?

[Djiboutian]

Let me ask u a question. Are you happy with the status quo of Somaliland and of Somalis in general? If yes, then we disagree. If no, then wouldnt it have been better to go about reforming the government instead of destroying it and the country in the process?

No, I am not happy with the status quo of Somaliland nor I am happy with status of Somalia. Unlike you I would love to see Somaliland a recognized country and I am not happy with Somalia being under Ethiopian and Kenyan control

Jugjugwacwac

Never accept being bullied into having opinion based on tribalism you made a logical response to 2 decades of human suffering much respect for you only a coward and small minded person will allow others to think for him.... and that includes a lot of darood people too....

Thanks bro. Ur right, we have extemists on all sides. To think they can't fathom me being isaaq purely because I disagree with them is mind-boggling to say the least. It just goes to show how people can become delusional when they rarely step out of their echo-chambers and circle-jerking sessions.

Individuals should not support their clans for sentimental reasons. I recall Djibouti greatest Poet Abwaan Ibrahim Sheikh Suleiman " Ibrahim Gadhle " (Rahimahu Allah) poem Mulaax:
" Maskaxdaduu yay noqon
Maqal lagula leyahay
Yan toban muftaxiiyo
Lagu furan masaabiir " .

I welcome free thinker like Abwaan Ibrahim did.

Djiboutian Greatest Poet said also in his poem Mulaax:

" Midigtaadu yay noqon
Mid tolkeed u muruq-weyn
Murjinkaagu yu noqon
Magli dila walalkii "

.....
.....
.....

" Maskaxdaduu yay noqon
Maqal lagula leyahay
Yan toban muftaxiiyo
Lagu furan masaabiir

Waxa shalayto mudatiyo .... Union with Somalia in 1960
Ma - hadhada xasuusnow
Halki qoridu ka muday
Mar labad lugtaadiyo
Yan cagtaduu kula marin ..... Never repeat the same mistake young lad

@Based. I think I distinctly remember agreeing that Afweyne was not ruthless enough. I also said that he could have avoided the whole war if he simply allowed the North some concessions and liberties. No where did I say that I agreed with him or found him and his policies as anything except abhorrent.

So we agree more than we disagree then. Siyaad was bad, no doubt. And he should have either given concessions or quickly and swiftly put down the rebellion, with as minimal civilian casualities as possible. Where we differ is, you think that despite our current situation the war to topple him was worth it, while I don't. Doesn't mean i'm a kacaanist or that im pro siyaad barre.

I do agree with you too the war to topple him was not worth it. He should quickly and swiftly put down the rebellion. I said I agree with you that the war to topple him was not worth because I believe even the swines bloods worth more than Afweyn blood forget about hundards of thousands of Somalilanders who lost their lives. Instead of asking yourself why Afweyn didn't negogiate with SNM and listen to their demands instead of negogiating with Mingistu, Somali Republic biggest enemy who killed thousands of Somalis, you are saying " Siyaad Barre should quickly and swiftly put the the rebellion with as minimal civilian casualities as possible. What an idea? You reminded me of him. You claim to care about Somalis suffer but in fact you don't

Do you understand the concept of self-determination? It's the most important things on earth and I got it full stop.

Self-determination? You're acting like you were under the yolk of a foreign power or something. Bro, before the SNM was created, and many of the Isaaq in the kacaan defected, we were well-represented in Afwayne's regime. This is a fact. Was his government corrupt and ruthless? Yes. But was it worth toppling it and plunging the south into perpetual chaos and anarchy and leaving Somaliland a fledgling nation, struggling to provide the basics for its citizens for decades to come? Not to mention the countless people who perished in the rebellions on all sides and the ugly clan wars that led to neighbour killing neighbour rwanda style, the wounds which are still yet to heal. And don't forget a lost and rudderless diaspora who are just one decade away from social break down levels similar to the african americans, with their single-moms, crime, violence and general degeneracy and lack of class. I personally wouldn't think it was worth it even if Somaliland was flourishing, because I can't help but feel the situation in the south is my plight too, because they're my peopl. But with Somaliland itself having nothing to offer its citizens except a fragile clan mediated peace, poverty, political limbo, predatory politicians and tahriib , leading our youth to die in the high seas, i'm even more convinced that the so called liberation war was in fact responsible for our bondage, placing our destinies squarely in the hands of filthy xabashis and san-gadhuudhi's, who only a couple of decades before would have trembled at the mention of the mighty Somali army. We Isaaqs are savvy and blessed with resources...we could've found another way instead of burning the house down.

Couldn't say it better.

I'm just wondering Jugjugwacwac why did you put ungrateful person like Ex. Ambassador Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali as your avatar? He violated his oath of office and joined desperado who destoryed Somalia ...... First of all, Somalilanders were not well presented either in Afweyn regime nor in Sharmarkeh/Adan Cade regime. Those are the people who were over represented in Afweyn regime even before SNM were created.



Muj. Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali was a great man who couldn't tolerate injustice so I was wondering why such a guy like you put Muj. Abdulrahman photo as his avatar. Now I know. So fadlan sawiirka Mujahidka maamuska iyo sharfata mudan inu da'a. You can put Afweyn photo instead.

You're being a bit dramatic here don't you think? I didn't take part in destroying the country, so there's nothing I need to apologize for. As for having Cabdiraxmaan Tuur as my avatar, I'll change it once I get bored. I don't hate the SNM like you seem to do. I just think they made a grave mistake for which we're still paying the price.

Where did I say I preferred the rule of siyaad barre and the kacaan? I've said numerous times the kacaan was messed up. If the SNM, USC and other rebel groups were able to build an inclusive government and stabilize Somalia, no one would miss the kacaan. But that didn't happen did it?

I approve this message. SNM, SSDF, SPM and USC destroyed Somalia. Bad governance is better than chaos and humiliation any day.[/b]

Just view your last 3 quotes above and you will notice how contradict you sound!!
Again since you believe SNM destoryed Somalia then maxaad sawiirka Muj. Abdulrahman ula wareegaysa forum-ka?

[Djiboutian]

Jugjugwacwac

Never accept being bullied into having opinion based on tribalism you made a logical response to 2 decades of human suffering much respect for you only a coward and small minded person will allow others to think for him.... and that includes a lot of darood people too....

Suppose that man and his spouse couldn't live together for whatever reason in this case divorce is the best option. After short period the man married and so did his ex. He was happy with his new wife unlike his ex who were suffering with her new marriage. She went to jail couple of times and commited a suicide. So who should be blamed here, her ex or her second husband or herself?

Somaliland has nothing to do with the " human suffering " in Somalia. Only reer Somaliya should be blamed for what is happening to them. Wixi dhex yaalay beelaha reer Somaliland aya 1000 jiir ka daran waxa dhex yaala beelaha reer Somaliya yet they managed to solve their problems unlike reer Somaliya. In addition, the animosity among Somaliland tribes had been created by Somaliya yet Somaliland never blame you so stop crying rivers and find solution for your mess.

[LeJusticier]

Jugwagacwagac

Hadalka soo koob are you pro Somaliland or dir waqooyi?

[Jugjugwacwac]

As it stands, I am pro Somaliland, not out of principle but out of pragmatism. If the situation changes in the horn, and I deem it more beneficial to rejoin the union, then I'll adjust my position accordingly. I'm not in the 'secession no matter what' camp.

[LeJusticier]

As it stands, I am pro Somaliland, not out of principle but out of pragmatism. If the situation changes in the horn, and I deem it more beneficial to rejoin the union, then I'll adjust my position accordingly. I'm not in the 'secession no matter what' camp.

The future for re-joining the union looks pretty grim for two reason sxb:
1- Koonfurian incompetent government and targeting killing to pursue personal interest tactic make the future of Koonfur look bleak
2- Koonfur will never accept XITAA confederation. They want us to voluntary surrender with "Heeso iyo Somali kala maarmi mayso". and You are an Isaaq(Amaanta jecel sida dumarka) They even changed our Abtirsi from Sheikh isahaq radilahu canhu to Dir.

Le justicier

[Jugjugwacwac]

The future for re-joining the union looks pretty grim for two reason sxb:
1- Koonfurian incompetent government and targeting killing to pursue personal interest tactic make the future of Koonfur look bleak
2- Koonfur will never accept XITAA confederation. They want us to voluntary surrender with "Heeso iyo Somali kala maarmi mayso". and You are an Isaaq(Amaanta jecel sida dumarka) They even changed our Abtirsi from Sheikh isahaq radilahu canhu to Dir.

Le justicier

Exactly. That's why i'm pro-somaliland saaxiib. Unless that shit changes, i'm againt union with the south.

[LeJusticier]

The future for re-joining the union looks pretty grim for two reason sxb:
1- Koonfurian incompetent government and targeting killing to pursue personal interest tactic make the future of Koonfur look bleak
2- Koonfur will never accept XITAA confederation. They want us to voluntary surrender with "Heeso iyo Somali kala maarmi mayso". and You are an Isaaq(Amaanta jecel sida dumarka) They even changed our Abtirsi from Sheikh isahaq radilahu canhu to Dir.

Le justicier

Exactly. That's why i'm pro-somaliland saaxiib. Unless that shit changes, i'm againt union with the south.

Waan gartay!