what were somalis doing before islam?

[sahal80]

T was originally common in the pre-semitic inhabitants of sumer, elam and the arabian peninsula

It has been also suggested to be carried by the earliest semitic/peninsulers such as thamud

It spread from eastren arabia to asia, north west/east africa

Some eastren saudi tribes carry it




North somalia was inhabited by some proto afro-asiatic speakers so i think these cow paintings belong to the gaalo aka oromo

We know somalis r hamitic speaking stock-egyptians, berbers and beja- and in this culture the consumption of beef or to sacrifice it was forbidden hence why they had only camels

I believe that much of the somali language/culture was imported or influenced over the time by contact from some of their neighbors

This goes for the waq cult as well as the somali dialect itself

The egyptian sun god-Ra+horus- and some of the canaanite deities such as baal can be traced back to the somali culture

What supports this theory is the beja tribe worshibing the sun god prior to becoming muslim

Both of the two cults are monotheistic cultures

Phrao akhnaton was a monotheist.

[Estarix]

It doesnt matter, Horn Africans are like a new world population comprising of settlers whom are descended from Eurasian and Africans.
If horners had adapted to the region and had no admixture from Eurasian you could then argue for a entirely separate historical timeline or origin. But what stands now is that the e1b1b is native to Egypt, T is native to Egypt but has originated in Eurasia. Just because the T has originated in Eurasia tens of thousands of years ago doesnt mean that Somalis have gotten it from a people living in Eurasia you could have much more likely have gotten it from a North African population (but whom are descended from Eurasians - hint *Egyptians*).
Lastly i dont buy into the narrative that E1b1b is African genetically, i believe it went migrated from Africa to Eurasia but it's adapted in Eurasia.
Do you understand?

T has definitely been in the Horn of Africa for a long time, however, it is origin is Eurasian indicating some sort of migration in the distant past. When is the question and through what route? That study into Somali y-dna suggested that it expanded into Horn of African populations before the different E varieties and others have suggested that T haplogroup might have been overwhelmed by Eb1b1 carriers in certain African localities such as the Horn. Hence, going by current thinking in the scientific community T and E Somali haplogroup carriers have only come into contact over the last 2 to 3 thousand years which appears plausible as the Cushites expanded into the Horn from Sudan into the Southern Ethiopian highlands not too long ago.

How do we know it expanded into the horn before the E varieties, what studies can you back this up with?

You are trying to say that the people in that region have a unique origin, in that case how can you not prove this with autosmal dna results which by the way say a whole lot more about your ancestry than haplogroups do. When tested, Dir folks are no different from other Somalis, in fact genetic tests can now tell which West Asian group you are descended from, Dir people are largely the Arabian/Egyptian type. Not the levantine one but the Arabian/Egyptian one.
I think you now agree that the place where Dir people originate from is Egypt, but now your contention is that the migration was at a different time, you would need evidence for this.

[zumaale]

How do we know it expanded into the horn before the E varieties, what studies can you back this up with?

You are trying to say that the people in that region have a unique origin, in that case how can you not prove this with autosmal dna results which by the way say a whole lot more about your ancestry than haplogroups do. When tested, Dir folks are no different from other Somalis, in fact genetic tests can now tell which West Asian group you are descended from, Dir people are largely the Arabian/Egyptian type. Not the levantine one but the Arabian/Egyptian one.
I think you now agree that the place where Dir people originate from is Egypt, but now your contention is that the migration was at a different time, you would need evidence for this.

I never have argued about T haplogroup carriers being genetically unique as intermixing has eradicated any differences, which, autosomnal testing has highlighted.

The evidence I am relying on is as follows:

In Somalis, the TMRCA was estimated to be 4000–5000 years for the haplogroup E3b1 cluster italic gamma and 2100–2200 years for the haplogroup K2 assuming a generation time of 25 years. Calculations based on a Bayesian coalescence approach (BATWING expansion time) indicated that the growth of the E3b1 cluster italic gamma in the Somali population started 1200 years ago (Table 4) with an initial population size of 1037 individuals. A similar analysis of haplogroup K2 resulted in a calculated expansion time of approximately 3300 years in a small male population of 109 individuals

[Estarix]

How do we know it expanded into the horn before the E varieties, what studies can you back this up with?

You are trying to say that the people in that region have a unique origin, in that case how can you not prove this with autosmal dna results which by the way say a whole lot more about your ancestry than haplogroups do. When tested, Dir folks are no different from other Somalis, in fact genetic tests can now tell which West Asian group you are descended from, Dir people are largely the Arabian/Egyptian type. Not the levantine one but the Arabian/Egyptian one.
I think you now agree that the place where Dir people originate from is Egypt, but now your contention is that the migration was at a different time, you would need evidence for this.

I never have argued about T haplogroup carriers being genetically unique as intermixing has eradicated any differences, which, autosomnal testing has highlighted.

The evidence I am relying on is as follows:

In Somalis, the TMRCA was estimated to be 4000–5000 years for the haplogroup E3b1 cluster italic gamma and 2100–2200 years for the haplogroup K2 assuming a generation time of 25 years. Calculations based on a Bayesian coalescence approach (BATWING expansion time) indicated that the growth of the E3b1 cluster italic gamma in the Somali population started 1200 years ago (Table 4) with an initial population size of 1037 individuals. A similar analysis of haplogroup K2 resulted in a calculated expansion time of approximately 3300 years in a small male population of 109 individuals

I doubt these populations were even in the horn. Perhaps the cushitic populations in North Africa were of T haplogroup, and further mixing E folks diversified the haplogroup of this mulatto like population.

[zumaale]

Estarix, your opinions are just that, opinions. New scientific research might shed a different light. However, as things stand, we did not migrate simultaneously into the Horn. I also do not believe that T carriers were in the Horn 3300 years ago because at the moment T is only found in unusually high percentages among the Somali ethnic group and some Oromos such as the Arsi as a result of their expansion, and absorption of Somalis in my opinion. If T had been in the Horn that long surely it would not be mainly concentrated among Somalis.

[Itrah]

Estarix, your opinions are just that, opinions. New scientific research might shed a different light. However, as things stand, we did not migrate simultaneously into the Horn. I also do not believe that T carriers were in the Horn 3300 years ago because at the moment T is only found in unusually high percentages among the Somali ethnic group and some Oromos such as the Arsi as a result of their expansion, and absorption of Somalis in my opinion. If T had been in the Horn that long surely it would not be mainly concentrated among Somalis.

All Cushites have T1, even if it is lower, you will find it in every group. Somalis are just weird y-DNA wise because they have had a bottleneck in favor of only two lineages.

Somalis probably also used to have A3b, more diverse E1b1b (ex-V32) and J1 (non-Arab kind), but lost those due to bottlenecks.

[zumaale]

Estarix, your opinions are just that, opinions. New scientific research might shed a different light. However, as things stand, we did not migrate simultaneously into the Horn. I also do not believe that T carriers were in the Horn 3300 years ago because at the moment T is only found in unusually high percentages among the Somali ethnic group and some Oromos such as the Arsi as a result of their expansion, and absorption of Somalis in my opinion. If T had been in the Horn that long surely it would not be mainly concentrated among Somalis.

All Cushites have T1, even if it is lower, you will find it in every group. Somalis are just weird y-DNA wise because they have had a bottleneck in favor of only two lineages.

Somalis probably also used to have A3b and J1 (non-Arab kind), but lost those due to bottlenecks.

Hypothesising again, you cannot dismiss the latest scientific findings that we did not most likely migrate to the Horn simultaneously. There is no bottleneck of E1b1b varieties among Somalis only and it is well represented in its different forms among a variety of Cushitic clans. Even, e-v32 is well represented among certain Oromo groups and other varieties of E1b1b can be found among Somalis, albeit, at low frequencies. However, T in Africa is only found in high percentages among the Somali indicating a founder effect for those that carry it.