difference between sunni and sufi?

[SultanOrder]

http://www.soebratie.nl/religie/hadith/ ... ook%2054.1

sxb, a hadith is not seerah. It is well known in which way Abu Lahab treated his nephew scw since the moment he scw annouced Islam. It is well known that the prophet told his people that if you continue on this path you will go to hell, but the prophet scw never said his parents and those before them will go to hell other than to say mushrikoon will go to hell.

[Kaafiye]

There are hadith isnaad chains which date back to the time of the Prophet which have been scrutinized and verified as original. I've already gone on about how the Islamic historical method is the most accurate, even more unbiased and factual than the Western historical method.

There are entire volumes of hadith sciences which go into this issue in more detail, and nothing I say on this forum thread would be able to summarize this.

The problem with that is how did the people compiling the hadith know who the people in the isnad even were? These people died over a hundred years after the hadith were written down so no one alive at the time knew who any of them were. The only way the muhaddithun at the time knew about these people are from biographies derived hadith.

That makes the hadiths are circular, meaning the hadith derives its authority from itself. Which the hadith sciences pointless because the hadith uses the hadith to prove itself right.

This is why we need documents from the time these people were alive to provide a secondary resource to the hadith, which no one has ever found. That make the hadith all together an unreliable historical account of muhammad's life.

Are you kidding me? Do you even know how the isnaad chains for hadiths work? The hadiths are written down, transmitted between well-known and trusted Islamic figures, in a chain that typically ranges from 4-6 people. Every single man in the chain is scrutinized, and only a few narrations survive such a thorough check. In fact, many historians have said that the Islamic historical method is far more accurate than that of any other.

The hadiths themselves were written down and passed down and verified as original at the time of their collection. Instead of sounding idiotic, study the hadith sciences and read this for yourself. Anyone with even a minimal knowledge of hadiths would understand this point.

This article goes into more detail about this issue:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html

Just stop. Your appalling lack of knowledge on Islam gets displayed here everytime you post.

[Kaafiye]

http://www.soebratie.nl/religie/hadith/ ... ook%2054.1

sxb, a hadith is not seerah. It is well known in which way Abu Lahab treated his nephew scw since the moment he scw annouced Islam. It is well known that the prophet told his people that if you continue on this path you will go to hell, but the prophet scw never said his parents and those before them will go to hell other than to say mushrikoon will go to hell.

Mclovin doesn't seem to be too bright. Of course the Prophet was supposed to stand his ground and speak the truth in the face of falsehood. Do you actually expect him to compromise his Monotheism just so he could appease those who oppose him? What would the Prophet possibly gain from such an action other than to win him guaranteed enemies amongst the Mushrikeen?

The Prophet stood firm against falsehood, against overwhelming odds, and eventually persevered by the Grace of Allah.

[Kaafiye]

Looool @ Abu lahab being a good guy and yet you claim to be knowledgable on islam. What the prophet said regarding his grandfather and Abu lahabs father wasn't false. He was a mushrik who worshipped idols, was the prophet supposed to lie and say no he's in paradise?

That's exactly you peoples characteristics today you live life as you wish and when you find islam isn't compatible with your life style or ideas instead of accepting it you turn into disgusting islam haters who's only mission in Islam is to disregard islam as much as you can and influence others to do the same.

At the end of the day no one cares that you're gaal lol its your life your business. Just know that we warned you and on the day of judgement you will be reminded of this day where you denied the warning and you will be begging Allah but instead you will be dragged by your forelock into the hell fire. Good luck buddy.

I left islam because it doesn't make any sense and it contradicts itself left and right. you would know that if you tried to see islam as we see it, instead of living in your bubble. We're not rebelling against god, we just don't believe god exists. If you understood the real reasons why came to this conclusion, then maybe you would address us with some respect. But, no matter how hard you try, you can't see the world from our perspective, because this religion defines who you are, and you don't want to challenge it. You like being muslim and thats totally fine.

Just don't expect us to the world the way you see it, if you won't see it the way we do.

PS: I don't believe in the hadith anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me cause the hadith isn't real history.

Only someone with a minimal knowledge of Islam would behave the way you behave, and talk the way you talk. Your Atheistic and un-Islamic worldview makes no sense and this has been demonstrated by numerous Islamic scholars and historians. Even debates conducted between Atheists and Muslims display the unbelievable ignorance the Atheists possess about our Deen and the lack of logic of the Atheist worldview.

Quran 7:87 And if there should be a group among you who has believed in that with which I have been sent and a group that has not believed, then be patient until Allah judges between us. And He is the best of judges."

I'm going to bed.

[grandpakhalif]

Damn, I came back to alot of bullshit, SlaveOfAjam, of course the Muslim world will have plety of trials and tribulations since its close to the end times, the Prophet tld us civil strife will increase and muslims will be fodder, we already know this. But be wary, Islam shall succeed and shall be above all deens on earth. The dunya is not ours to enjoy it is the kuffar's paradise so enjoy for a little while you and your masters shall one day regret your fierce opposition of the truth. Also about us being hypocrites? Since when did a sinning Muslim inferior to a gaal? The worst most bloodthirsty muslim is better than the best Mother Teresa kaafir because they have tawheed, without it your deeds are utterly wortless.

Mclovin, are you retarded or clearly obtuse? You do realize there's a whole chapter in the Qur'an that condemns Abu Lahab. This evil mujrim use to insult the Prophet (SAW) often and call him evil nicknames. He opposed him fiercly and was a key ally with Abu Sufyan at the time. He even laughed and jeered and celebrated in front of the Prophet (SAW) when his infant died! So stop trying to teach us our own deen when we have our own sources not some gaal dutch site.

[Kareem99]

PO I'm not a Salafi, I'm a Muslim.

I agree with you.

Inanta Islaan bee sheegatay, so let's call her just that walaalayaal. Hadduu qof suufi ah yidhaahdo "Muslim baan ahay" wallaahi I won't insist on calling that person a sufi, if I know he/she won't like it. Waa xaq Muslimiinta ka dhaxeeyo, waa walaaltinimo naga dhaxaayso.

Markii aan diinta ku murmeeyno, xikmad iyo hadal macaan ha naga dhaxeeyo. Alle wuxuu yidhi "udcu ilaa sabiili Rabbika bil xikmati wa mawcidhatil xasanah." Taas baa naga maqan qaarkeeyna, suufi ama salafi ama whatever else.

[mclovin]

sxb, a hadith is not seerah. It is well known in which way Abu Lahab treated his nephew scw since the moment he scw annouced Islam. It is well known that the prophet told his people that if you continue on this path you will go to hell, but the prophet scw never said his parents and those before them will go to hell other than to say mushrikoon will go to hell.

Exactly how does that make this any less reliable?

Kitab at Tabaqat al Kabir by ibn Sa'd is one of the most important and earliest surviving biographical collections of narrations, which predate sahih bukhari and muslim by several decades, and has been used by Islamic scholars as a reference to present day. The first 2 volumes of it are about the sirah of the Prophet Muhammad, which is considered by some the third most authoritative after the Sirat un Nabawi of Ibn Hisham and Maghazi Rasulillah of al Waqidi.

To deny this, is the same as denying hadith all together.

[mclovin]

Are you kidding me? Do you even know how the isnaad chains for hadiths work? The hadiths are written down, transmitted between well-known and trusted Islamic figures, in a chain that typically ranges from 4-6 people. Every single man in the chain is scrutinized, and only a few narrations survive such a thorough check. In fact, many historians have said that the Islamic historical method is far more accurate than that of any other.

The hadiths themselves were written down and passed down and verified as original at the time of their collection. Instead of sounding idiotic, study the hadith sciences and read this for yourself. Anyone with even a minimal knowledge of hadiths would understand this point.

This article goes into more detail about this issue:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html

Just stop. Your appalling lack of knowledge on Islam gets displayed here everytime you post.

Let me dumb this down since you clearly didn't pay attention to a word a said.

Sahih bukhari was compiled in 860, and the people in the earlier part of any isnad chain died over 100 year prior to this. How did anyone know these people were trustworthy and reliable since most of them died before muhaddithin were even born? Because other hadith say they're trustworthy and reliable. This ultimately means the muhaddithin scrutinized the isnad chain of a particular hadith by using other hadith. This would mean the hadith in general is deriving its own authority from itself. It's like listing yourself as a reference on your own resume.

Without documents from the time these people were alive, the hadith can't seen as historical fact.

[mclovin]

Only someone with a minimal knowledge of Islam would behave the way you behave, and talk the way you talk. Your Atheistic and un-Islamic worldview makes no sense and this has been demonstrated by numerous Islamic scholars and historians. Even debates conducted between Atheists and Muslims display the unbelievable ignorance the Atheists possess about our Deen and the lack of logic of the Atheist worldview.

Quran 7:87 And if there should be a group among you who has believed in that with which I have been sent and a group that has not believed, then be patient until Allah judges between us. And He is the best of judges."

I'm going to bed.

Please disregard my drunken rambling. I don't know why i thought it was a good idea to write that.

[mclovin]

Damn, I came back to alot of bullshit, SlaveOfAjam, of course the Muslim world will have plety of trials and tribulations since its close to the end times, the Prophet tld us civil strife will increase and muslims will be fodder, we already know this. But be wary, Islam shall succeed and shall be above all deens on earth. The dunya is not ours to enjoy it is the kuffar's paradise so enjoy for a little while you and your masters shall one day regret your fierce opposition of the truth. Also about us being hypocrites? Since when did a sinning Muslim inferior to a gaal? The worst most bloodthirsty muslim is better than the best Mother Teresa kaafir because they have tawheed, without it your deeds are utterly wortless.

Mclovin, are you retarded or clearly obtuse? You do realize there's a whole chapter in the Qur'an that condemns Abu Lahab. This evil mujrim use to insult the Prophet (SAW) often and call him evil nicknames. He opposed him fiercly and was a key ally with Abu Sufyan at the time. He even laughed and jeered and celebrated in front of the Prophet (SAW) when his infant died! So stop trying to teach us our own deen when we have our own sources not some gaal dutch site.

Mind telling me which hadith that quote comes from? Cause i can't find this story anywhere in the Kutub as Sittah. All i see are tafsirs mentioning this.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

The hadiths themselves were written down and passed down and verified as original at the time of their collection. Instead of sounding idiotic, study the hadith sciences and read this for yourself. Anyone with even a minimal knowledge of hadiths would understand this point.

This article goes into more detail about this issue:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html

Just stop. Your appalling lack of knowledge on Islam gets displayed here everytime you post.

one of first man written down hadiths in abook form was Bukhari. and Bukhari never saw a singal person who was living the time of prophet sc. Bukhari was born about 200 years after prophhet sc passed away. and you claime hadiths were written down and passed person to person then the question will be who passed to bukhari all those hadiths he written down.??? . 200 years is very long time. there is no names people who passed and kept hadiths those 200 years before bukhari was born...


200 years is anough time to fabricate stories and impossible to verified storied that happen 200 years ago..

[Basra-]

Suffi- approves of sex but with restrictions on the positions used during sex. Doggy style is prohibited at all. Missionary style, aptly named I might add is recommended or welcomed.



Sunni--do not approve nor recognize sex at all, a birth nine months later is surely a miracle welcomed If not expected, with a tagline "Inshlaaah" and "Mashalaaah"!

[gegiroor]

This website is full of hypocrites, just like the Muslim world is.

A girl who claims to be a Salafi but doesn't wear the hijab.

Gegiroor who is part time religious but full time Harti extremist who loves the taste of idoor blood.

Grandpa who loves his kush so much he goes to Jumaah prayer high

And who can forget MailMan/Kaafiye who has a problem with Somali Bantus in the country but loves to talk about how great the prophet was. If he was so great, why don't you take his advice from his last sermon and say no to racism?.

I am,

Abdi "What a bunch of clowns" Johnson

AbdiJohnson, why did you observe us? You should not go down that road because we can dig your comments and find more damaging stuff like the lubricant in the a...

[Kaafiye]

Audhubilah.

Dr Yalaxoow and Mclovin are literally repeating old arguments against Islam that have already been refuted. It's like they're incapable of using reason

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Kaafiye my friend. No one wrote ahadiiths before bukhaari and and muslim , abu dwud and view others.. ! sheikh Bukhari was born 200 years after prophets SC passedaway , how could he write down things allleged said or done by rasuul sc when mr bukhari not even saw a singal person who saw the prophet. and plus no one before bukhari wrote down so called hadiths .

those 200 years not even bukharis granfather saw people who was living the time of rasuul , the timeline is just too long and any historian will tell you 200 years its anough time to make up legend stories and fabricate things..