A Thread dedicated to the Arab Lovers

[BlackVelvet]

Women don't count.

Only thing that really counts

Trolling aside, the tragic thing about our Somali identity is that your sister's son would have picked up a spear against your clan. I never understood the irony of handing over daughters to the same folk that were at war with you.

During the civil war, a lot of horrible acts were perpetrated by folk of mixed heritage against their maternal clan.

BV, keep it real, keep it HG when choosing a spouse.

Well I don't come from a family that engaged in such behaviour so, as someone of "mixed" heritage, that's not what I associate marrying out with

Also I wasn't told horror stories about other qabiils growing up

That said as a grown woman I can't help but notice HG men have a certain je ne sais quoi that sets them apart from ordinary men

[Itrah]

Typhoon

African Irirs

Son, you are more closely related to Oromos. Fur, Masalit and Beja than an Irir like me. I could settle in the Mid East and start a new line of Zuumalis and not necessarily be traced back to Africa. Your Y-DNA is strictly Horn of African/Sudanese.

This is false. Once the Horn African variety of T gets its own SNP your T variety will be easily distinguishable from Middle Eastern ones. Just like Cameroonian R1b variant with the V88 mutation is easily distinguishable from Irish type of R1b.

Secondly, your y-lineage says nothing about ''closeness'' to another person. Most African Americans with R1b are genetically more distant to Europeans than a Somali is.

[sahal80]

Typhoon

African Irirs

Son, you are more closely related to Oromos. Fur, Masalit and Beja than an Irir like me. I could settle in the Mid East and start a new line of Zuumalis and not necessarily be traced back to Africa. Your Y-DNA is strictly Horn of African/Sudanese.

lol I never believed the story of cawslafil natives and the arab sheikhs due to the dir being closer to the arabic peninsula and north africa

but what does carrying this anceint non african haplogroup adds to the person if he looks like dark and african i mean as a clan not per individual? im more interested in the autosomal dna wich is about the ethnicity.....I could be native samaale but I blieve that im mixed bc i look like so....

[zumaale]

Well I don't come from a family that engaged in such behaviour so, as someone of "mixed" heritage, that's not what I associate marrying out with.

Also I wasn't told horror stories about other qabiils growing up

No offense meant but as a woman you are less likely to have engaged in conversations with male veterans of the Civil War that hail from a diverse group of clans nor are you the type.

Secondly, I am safe in assuming you were too young too have experienced anything from the Civil War. My age group and older who were children or in their teens when the war started could not escape witnessing or coming across these horror stories.

Somalinet must have been a blessing in disguise because you became exposed to the vitriol and hate that Somalis in general harbour for each other as a result of past/present grievances. As a result, I am certain that despite the goodwill you have for other Somalis, there are certain clans that you wish not to marry into. Then again, calafka waa caajib.

[Itrah]

lol I never believed the story of cawslafil natives and the arab sheikhs due to the dir being closer to the arabic peninsula and north africa

but what does carrying this anceint non african haplogroup adds to the person if he looks like dark and african i mean as a clan not per individual? im more interested in the autosomal dna wich is about the ethnicity.....I could be native samaale but I blieve that im mixed bc i look like so....

All Somali clans have the exact same autosomal DNA and similar mtDNA frequencies. Including the so called ''Middle Eastern'' T carriers. They cluster next to Somalis with E-V32 when their complete genome is looked at.

They are not closer to Middle Easterners.

[zumaale]

Typhoon

African Irirs

Son, you are more closely related to Oromos. Fur, Masalit and Beja than an Irir like me. I could settle in the Mid East and start a new line of Zuumalis and not necessarily be traced back to Africa. Your Y-DNA is strictly Horn of African/Sudanese.

lol I never believed the story of cawslafil natives and the arab sheikhs due to the dir being closer to the arabic peninsula and north africa

but what does carrying this anceint non african haplogroup adds to the person if he looks like dark and african i mean as a clan not per individual? im more interested in the autosomal dna wich is about the ethnicity.....I could be native samaale but I blieve that im mixed bc i look like so....

LOL

Sahal, you are right, having that non ancient haplogroup means nothing when you look exactly like your neighbours that belong to a different haplogroup.

The only relevance DNA has to me is to determine how true a certain bloodline is. Hence, why I do not care about looks at all, those can change with intermarriage but blood does not.

ITRAH

You know I dot care with being connected to the Mid East or how homogenous the Somali ethnic group is. I am concerned with bloodlines and like I expressed in my reply to Based, it is what maketh a real clan all the way to Nuux and Adam. You as an E-V32 and me as a T do not share a common blood line despite how close we match in an autosomnal DNA test.

[Itrah]

ITRAH

You know I dot care with being connected to the Mid East or how homogenous the Somali ethnic group is. I am concerned with bloodlines and like I expressed in my reply to Based, it is what maketh a real clan all the way to Nuux and Adam. You as an E-V32 and me as a T do not share a common blood line despite how close we match in an autosomnal DNA test.

The Lemba in Zimbabwe and South Africa have tons of Jewish lineages on their Y, but they are 99,99% Bantu overall, and look completely Bantu. The Y-Hap becomes kinda irrelevant in such a case.

Same with the T Somalis thinking that they are different from other Somalis, when in fact they aren't from a holistic viewpoint.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Too sad, but who cares if they love Arabs, or claim them or imitate them. It will backfire on them in real life, just give it some time or maybe they are the ones to bootyclap online, but not bootyclap in real life. What a shame.

[zumaale]

Itrah

We are arguing for two completely different things.

I am arguing about blood lines and you are arguing for a distint Somali ethnic group.

I am not disputing we share a lot of genes on account of having cohabited for more than a millennium.

However, we have two completely different paternal ancestries and that is what I am arguing for.

[Itrah]

However, we have two completely different paternal ancestries and that is what I am arguing for.

This has not been proven yet. Your lineage has a very high probability of having entered the Horn at the same as E-V32.

[zumaale]

However, we have two completely different paternal ancestries and that is what I am arguing for.

This has not been proven yet. Your lineage has a very high probability of having entered the Horn at the same as E-V32.

Itrah, who is arguing about when the two haplogroups entered the Horn. Anyway, as things stand the scientific community argues that they did not.

There is no disputing we have two different paternal ancestries. You are closer to a E-V32 Beja or a native Berber than to me.

[sahal80]

lol I never believed the story of cawslafil natives and the arab sheikhs due to the dir being closer to the arabic peninsula and north africa

but what does carrying this anceint non african haplogroup adds to the person if he looks like dark and african i mean as a clan not per individual? im more interested in the autosomal dna wich is about the ethnicity.....I could be native samaale but I blieve that im mixed bc i look like so....

All Somali clans have the exact same autosomal DNA and similar mtDNA frequencies. Including the so called ''Middle Eastern'' T carriers. They cluster next to Somalis with E-V32 when their complete genome is looked at.

They are not closer to Middle Easterners.

when did my subsubclan got their ancestry test? im likely to be the first to do...autosomal dna is inherited from both parents thats why its about your ethnicity....you cannot judge the people without known their history......im not from the typical group of my clan we have mixing traditions and look like so.

[Itrah]

Itrah, who is arguing about when the two haplogroups entered the Horn. Anyway, as things stand the scientific community argues that they did not.

The stuff you cite for this is from an outdated technique from 2004. The tech has moved on significantly since then and the info they stated in the current scientific literature is not valid. You need at least 67 STRs for semi-accurate dating and not the lousy 11 they used on a dataset without any Ethiopians with T that needed to be used as an outgroup. I can get into the nitty-gritty but the dates Sanchez stated are not valid.

There is no disputing we have two different paternal ancestries. You are closer to a E-V32 Beja or a native Berber than to me.

Nope.
A Berber is always closer to Europeans than to Somalis/Ethiopians, regardless of their haplogroup.

It is kind of silly to look at haplogroup for ''closeness''... By this logic a Japanese with D would be closer to Africans than to a fellow Asian like a Chinese with O. In reality this is not the case.

[Itrah]

when did my subsubclan got their ancestry test? im likely to be the first to do...autosomal dna is inherited from both parents thats why its about your ethnicity....you cannot judge the people without known their history......im not from the typical group of my clan we have mixing traditions and look like so.

Aren't you from Beledweyne?

Yeah, you are probably mixed

...with Bantus that is.

[zumaale]

Itrah, who is arguing about when the two haplogroups entered the Horn. Anyway, as things stand the scientific community argues that they did not.

The stuff you cite for this is from an outdated technique from 2004. The tech has moved on significantly since then and the info they stated in the current scientific literature is not valid. You need at least 67 STRs for semi-accurate dating and not the lousy 11 they used on a dataset without any Ethiopians with T that needed to be used as an outgroup. I can get into the nitty-gritty but the dates Sanchez stated are not valid.

There is no disputing we have two different paternal ancestries. You are closer to a E-V32 Beja or a native Berber than to me.

Nope.
A Berber is always closer to Europeans than to Somalis/Ethiopians, regardless of their haplogroup.

It is kind of silly to look at haplogroup for ''closeness''... By this logic a Japanese with D would be closer to Africans than to a fellow Asian like a Chinese with O. In reality this is not the case.

Itrah, stop sounding like a broken record. Let us finish this and once and for all.

I argue that, we do not have a close male ancestor and that your male blood line is closer to a Beja than me. Is that false? Forget about autosomnal data, like I have said, that does not concern me as my interest in genetics is limited to paternal ancestry.

Secondly, I was not referring to that 2004 study solely, the following study was published in June 2014 and it also hypothesises we did not expand into the Horn simultaneously.

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1004393

Please, do not insult my intelligence as I am not denying we genetically match very closely but there is no way in hell you can argue against the fact that we are not of the same male blood line