Interesting Debate. Somalilanders VS Delusional Unionists .

[jalaaludin5]

wali kumaan arag adigoo si passionate ah uga hadlaya AMISSOM soldiers kufsigey ku hayaan masaakinta ay dollars-ka ku qaatan. Hadi la soo hadal qaadona waxaad ku jawaabta...waa walaalehen oo al-shabaab bey naga celiyaan. Amissom-na durbaan u qaraac oo xornimey kuu wadaan isku maaweli...nimanka buuhoodle iyo lascaanodna adigo wax aliyaaliyo wax aad u kari kartaa anuu jirin marmarsiyo ka dhigo.

qaldaan fooqul idiot. firsable view cases of amisom kufsi agains our somali woman qof raali ka ah ma jirto. waana wax u yaal somali goverment and somali police and lawinforcment. wasaraada cadaalada iyo maxkamada sare ee somalia. xaqiiqdii waa view cases. crime commited view soldiers is not representive amisom as organsations.. kufsi waa kufsi wax ay ku kala duwan yihiin ma jiro kufsi soomaali ku kaco iyo mid askari ajnabi ah ku kaco. hargeysa statistically waa rape capital of horn of africa.

dhulbahante iyo Hj waa...wiil iyo abtigii.
Daaroodka Somaliland iyo isaqna waa iku dad isku Diin dalna wadaaga.

niggar i see your f'cking desprate!! isaaq and darood(dhuloz) are from 2 different qabiils, wax ay isku yihiin ma leh.. waxa kaliya ka dhaxeeyn kara waa soomalinimo. wiil and abti ku lahaaa !!! inyour qaldaaan behind ! ingriis walaalo kama dhigi karo laba qabiil oo soomali ah. waa xaqiiq jirta 99% of dhulbahnte waa ka soo horjeedaa your lilalawland.

adigu daameerow halkeed ka soo gasha? HG oo kula dhashay ayaad sas ka qabtaa oo shisheeye kaga kalsoontahay..

HG and ABG wax dhibaato ah ka dhaxeeysa ma jirto. koonfur kama taagna dagaal qabiilkeed. waxaa ka taagan waa view desprate terrorist suicide attacks, doing suicide attack here and there . marka qaldaan JALAABIIB si desperately waxba haku marmarsiyoon qabiil magacooda. cuqdadle nacas fooqul duli..

bal inaad cuqdaad le tahay dameerow waxa cadeyneysa....dhulbahante iyo isaq waa dad wiil iyo abtigii ah oo dal iyo diin wadaaga baan ku xasuusiyay. Adna waxaad ku jawaabtay....ma ingiris bah waalaaleynkara?

Dameer dardaraan oo cuqdaad iyo ciil awgeed raba inuu cuskado qabiil aaney waxba ka galin waxna u qaban karin ujeedadeeduna tahay Somaliland ku xume. Miyeyna dhibta xawaadle iyo Dir kala dhex taagan kaaga dhaweyn? Run hadaad ka hadleyso miyeyna arinta Hiiraan ku quseyn? Dhulbahante isaq si fiican bu u yaqaan oo waligood wey is dili jireen weyna kala guursan jireen ila iyo today.

Kufsi waa kufsi oo taas waad ku saxsantahay laakin xanuunka dumarka soomaaliyeed ee walaalka Amissom uu ugu wacan yahay miyaanad ka damqaneyn? Dhulbahante iyo Isaq xeerarka u yaal iyo dhaqankooda waxba ka garan meysid. Gabadh Daarood ah ama isaaq ah oo nin eegi kara ma jiro adiguna gabdhihiina ninkii xumeeyay ee macal caruurtii fuulay baad ilaa iyo hada marmarsiyo u sameyneysa. Sharci bah jira iyo dawlada cadaalada iyo sheeko yar oo canteyna la wareegeysa.

Koley ciilku si kale kaaga bixi maaye... magaca dhulbahante iska xejiso, because ugu yaraan wuxu ku ilowsiineya Walaalka Amissom kufsiga uu dhadhanka ku hayo....kufsi aad u fududeysay....kufsi aad u fasaxday.....kufsi aad ku kalsoontahay...kufsi aan ku damqin...


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[theyuusuf143]

No single clan living in that area is a guardianship of the former British-Somaliland Protectorate, thus the area can disintegrate into small sovereign states like the former Yugoslavia for instance. Therefore, I think it would fit the greater good and interest of all Somalis to keep Somalia intact and to form a more united central government. We should restart fresh (again), adopt a new constitution where ALL or majority of Somalis agree upon. Disintegration will be a end game for all Somalis.

Ahmed Ismaacil Samatar has been totally obliterated in this debate to the point where he couldn't bring himself to at least respect the audience let alone his counterpart debaters, fleeing the hall in a manner that doesn't suit a man that considers himself to be a "Professor".

Somaliland clans can disintigrate Somaliland ONLY if they defeat the SLN army ! Which is almost impossible . I think samatar does not need to make a point because somaliland is already reality on the ground. Prof hussein nageeye is investing his time and energy in the wrong place and his predictions are too good to become reality. In other words Somalia cant be better place than Somaliland in the future just because of their international recognition. Its the Somalian society who can change their own country not the legal UN document they have. If you have internationally respected passport (say british one) you need to pay your ticket no one is giving you free tickets ! Thats why i beleive Somaliland will survive longer if we work hard to support our nationhood. We are not expecting any thing from outside world.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

bal inaad cuqdaad le tahay dameerow waxa cadeyneysa....dhulbahante iyo isaq waa dad wiil iyo abtigii ah oo dal iyo diin wadaaga baan ku xasuusiyay. Adna waxaad ku jawaabtay....ma ingiris bah waalaaleynkara?

qaldaan waxaad u dhaqmeysaa sida women's emotional breakdown ay ku dhacday ! waa isku dhex qasantay: firstable waxa laga hadlayo waa political discussion and not a clan discussion.


for the last time haddii aan ka hadlo qabiiil... waa xaqiiq mr Dhuloz from north somalia belongs to qabiil called darod and you belong isaaq , waan kuugu celinayaa mar labaad the only thing between somali clans are not british queen makes them walaalo but soomaalinimo. if there is no somalinimo then every qabiil will be their own kind of qabiil..

walaahi your impressing yourself qaldaan. dont come whit dooda naagaha like wiil iyo abtigiis .. again if we come back to political discussion and stop qabiiil talk. its a fact that 99% of darooods in north somalia are pro united somaliya..

Miyeyna dhibta xawaadle iyo Dir kala dhex taagan kaaga dhaweyn? Run hadaad ka hadleyso miyeyna arinta Hiiraan ku quseyn? Dhulbahante isaq si fiican bu u yaqaan oo waligood wey is dili jireen weyna kala guursan jireen ila iyo today.

2 somali qabiils fighting in baadiyaha probably fighting over something which nothing to do whit politics. it happens every where reer baadiye qabiil fight probably fighting over geel leeyska dhacay.. somalis where doing this before jesus of nazareth was born.

Dhulbahante iyo Isaq xeerarka u yaal iyo dhaqankooda waxba ka garan meysid. Gabadh Daarood ah ama isaaq ah oo nin eegi kara ma jiro adiguna gabdhihiina ninkii xumeeyay ee macal caruurtii fuulay baad ilaa iyo hada marmarsiyo u sameyneysa. Sharci bah jira iyo dawlada cadaalada iyo sheeko yar oo canteyna la wareegeysa.



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Ugu horeyntii if view amisom soldiers ay meel mugdi ah ay sameeyaan kufsi again somali woman. i dont look what qabiil of gabadha la kufsaday ay ka timid.. for me its a same when thousends of somali woman from hargeysa burco boosaaso xamar iyagoo better life raadinaya ay saxaraha Libiya iyo sudan ay ajabiga carabta ay ku kufsadaan. waan u dhaaraan karaa gabdhaha soomaalida ee lagu kufsado saxaraha liibiya iyo suudaan inay 1000 times ay ka baddan yihiin askari amisom ah oo xamar gabar ku kufsaday.. sidaa ku iri kufsi waa kufsi atlist we talk about it. askartii amisom waa looga digaa inay Abuse ku sameeyaan needy somali woman ee xerooyinkooda daawooyin u soo doonta..

marka qaldaan wiikh waad isku dhex daadatay. waqooyi soomaliya dadka degaa waxa ay doonayaan marka laga hadlo. maaha inaad ku wareegsatid sidii naag futada cuncuneysa. qabiiil ayaa is dilay oo gabar ayaa xamar lagu kufsaday.. kufsi meel waliba uu ka dhaco waa kufsi..
kufsiga haka dhaco SAXARAHA LIIBIYA . haka dhaco HARGEYSA. haka dhaco boosaaso. haka dhaco xamar...

back to the topic... sida aad ka aragto ragga doodaya videoga. dhamaantoodna waa dad ka yimid waqooyi somaliya. dadka ka yimid gobolada sool sanaag and buuhoodle aa aan u dhalan qabiilkaaga. dhamaantood waxay raacsan yihiin united somaliya..

[djibsomali]

ninkaastabaa dhulkisuu haa deeqow ..
walaa somaliland walaa south somali walaa fidhicish...

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Lets pray for peace for our Somali people where ever they are, wixi isfahmi karaana hadeey isracaan & hadi kalee ayagay uu taal, iyo sidaay isu qancinayaan.

[theyuusuf143]

Bini aadamka xabaasha uunbaa deeqda.Once we get the recognition we will try to reclaim hawd and galbeed in any possible way. This will fly any where we want.

[TheMightyNomad]

No single clan living in that area is a guardianship of the former British-Somaliland Protectorate, thus the area can disintegrate into small sovereign states like the former Yugoslavia for instance. Therefore, I think it would fit the greater good and interest of all Somalis to keep Somalia intact and to form a more united central government. We should restart fresh (again), adopt a new constitution where ALL or majority of Somalis agree upon. Disintegration will be a end game for all Somalis.

Ahmed Ismaacil Samatar has been totally obliterated in this debate to the point where he couldn't bring himself to at least respect the audience let alone his counterpart debaters, fleeing the hall in a manner that doesn't suit a man that considers himself to be a "Professor".

Somaliland clans can disintigrate Somaliland ONLY if they defeat the SLN army ! Which is almost impossible . I think samatar does not need to make a point because somaliland is already reality on the ground. Prof hussein nageeye is investing his time and energy in the wrong place and his predictions are too good to become reality. In other words Somalia cant be better place than Somaliland in the future just because of their international recognition. Its the Somalian society who can change their own country not the legal UN document they have. If you have internationally respected passport (say british one) you need to pay your ticket no one is giving you free tickets ! Thats why i beleive Somaliland will survive longer if we work hard to support our nationhood. We are not expecting any thing from outside world.

I would have to go with what SultanOrder said!

Professor Hassan Warsame was the only one that about real politic, internation law, and likely outcome. SL put themselves in a box and like the professor said has gone as far as it can go being unrecognized. It is no Taiwan where there was super powers interested in their success despite being unrecognized. This staunch stance of seccessionism may lead to a civil war in SL.

it is more of probablity for that to happen when considering that gadabursi's are playing both sides against the middle. which is why you will see them in the somalia government as well as the SL government!
Then you have the dhulbahante and warsangeli who created this enitity or state called khatumo who have defeated the SL army many times previously & chased them out of key territories! Many whom are backed by PL interests and even puntlands claim to land which is in SL soil the same dispute which caused clashes between puntland and somaliland militia a while back!

This will indeed lead to a civil war up north as long as SL push this secessionist ideology! not only that SL itself might not even be able to reclaim to colonial borders it desperatley want to but rather have the whole region disintigrate into many clan states! The North might be better off for now including puntland but if Somaliland keep pushing this selfish qabilist ideology in which even ur own state founder & first president opposed to , it will lead to the disintigration & destruction of northern somali region!

[abdikarim86]

^Looool
The delusions of Daaroods and their minions Gadabuursi is really something is it not?

We WILL stick to secession and there will be no war (unless you count the little skirmishes in the east
which is part of a broader carrot and stick policy).

Only Isaaq who form the vast majority within the territories of SL have the power to make or break
SL. The other cuqdad ridden clans must sit tight.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

So 1 clan is somaliland thanks for proving that for us lol

You are arguing with a Gadabursi so keep it between you 2, instead draggin Darood in!, other times its if only the Harti would be like the Samaroon/Gadabursi lol

[abdikarim86]

So 1 clan is somaliland thanks for proving that for us lol

You are arguing with a Gadabursi so keep it between you 2, instead draggin Darood in!, other times its if only the Harti would be like the Samaroon/Gadabursi lol

Address what I've said, even refute it if you want but do not put words in my mouth

Understood

[theyuusuf143]

Professor Hassan Warsame was the only one that about real politic, internation law, and likely outcome. SL put themselves in a box and like the professor said has gone as far as it can go being unrecognized. It is no Taiwan where there was super powers interested in their success despite being unrecognized. This staunch stance of seccessionism may lead to a civil war in SL.

it is more of probablity for that to happen when considering that gadabursi's are playing both sides against the middle. which is why you will see them in the somalia government as well as the SL government!
Then you have the dhulbahante and warsangeli who created this enitity or state called khatumo who have defeated the SL army many times previously & chased them out of key territories! Many whom are backed by PL interests and even puntlands claim to land which is in SL soil the same dispute which caused clashes between puntland and somaliland militia a while back!

This will indeed lead to a civil war up north as long as SL push this secessionist ideology! not only that SL itself might not even be able to reclaim to colonial borders it desperatley want to but rather have the whole region disintigrate into many clan states! The North might be better off for now including puntland but if Somaliland keep pushing this selfish qabilist ideology in which even ur own state founder & first president opposed to , it will lead to the disintigration & destruction of northern somali region!

The only kind of civil war that can shake Somaliland nationhood is the one that Can happen
Hargeisa and berbera. The rest of the country does not effect too much. Now who can create civil war in hargeisa or berbera ? Isaaq isnt it. . Unforjunately for haters we already experienced that kind of civil war from 1991 to 1997 It may never happen again. Other kind of clashes will be viewed as tribal clashes. If dhuloos keep moving, hj and hy clan militias (janjaweed style) will deal with them. we my create our own SST (sool,sanaag and togdheer) movement to change the whole reason of fighting from political one into clan territorial conflict. We my even gain some more isaaq dominated land by kicking some hartis out of erigavo district.

[abdikarim86]

Professor Hassan Warsame was the only one that about real politic, internation law, and likely outcome. SL put themselves in a box and like the professor said has gone as far as it can go being unrecognized. It is no Taiwan where there was super powers interested in their success despite being unrecognized. This staunch stance of seccessionism may lead to a civil war in SL.

it is more of probablity for that to happen when considering that gadabursi's are playing both sides against the middle. which is why you will see them in the somalia government as well as the SL government!
Then you have the dhulbahante and warsangeli who created this enitity or state called khatumo who have defeated the SL army many times previously & chased them out of key territories! Many whom are backed by PL interests and even puntlands claim to land which is in SL soil the same dispute which caused clashes between puntland and somaliland militia a while back!

This will indeed lead to a civil war up north as long as SL push this secessionist ideology! not only that SL itself might not even be able to reclaim to colonial borders it desperatley want to but rather have the whole region disintigrate into many clan states! The North might be better off for now including puntland but if Somaliland keep pushing this selfish qabilist ideology in which even ur own state founder & first president opposed to , it will lead to the disintigration & destruction of northern somali region!

The only kind of civil war that can shake Somaliland nationhood is the one that Can happen
Hargeisa and berbera. The rest of the country does not effect too much. Now who can create civil war in hargeisa or berbera ? Isaaq isnt it. . Unforjunately for haters we already experienced that kind of civil war from 1991 to 1997 It may never happen again. Other kind of clashes will be viewed as tribal clashes. If dhuloos keep moving, hj and hy clan militias (janjaweed style) will deal with them. we my create our own SST (sool,sanaag and togdheer) movement to change the whole reason of fighting from political one into clan territorial conflict. We my even gain some more isaaq dominated land by kicking some hartis out of erigavo district.

Preach



One slight correction, The Harti were already made to flee Ceerigaabo in the late 80s and early 90s by a single HY subclan.
Ceerigaabo does not belong to them anymore, they are merely guests in that town now

[theyuusuf143]

I dont mean the town it self. The district is huge as you know. Dadkan inama oga inaynu jabhad dawlad u eeg nahay. sidii aynu switzerland nahay ayey nooga sheekaynayaan UN iyo sharciyo caalami ah. Kkkk Qaynuunka caalamiga ahba waxa nagala sareeya qaraarkii qaaxo.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Bini aadamka xabaasha uunbaa deeqda.Once we get the recognition we will try to reclaim hawd and galbeed in any possible way. This will fly any where we want.

probably you will get recognition when

[theyuusuf143]

When i leave...