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I don't think I know everything, and the Islamic position on this issue is clear and non-negotiable. I commend the actual Muslims who do have homosexual urges but who suppress it for the sake of following Allah's law. Be a man and suppress your urges.Basra- wrote:Kaaf
No. SaciidAyanleh is asking u to have compassion. and also not to think u know everything. U cant know what another person goes through unless u walk in their shoes. It is easy to be a PC jihadist or judger, but to actually walk the talk-its pretty heroic.
It is precisely about sexual orientationKaafiye wrote:It doesn't matter. According to you liberals, "love is love" and you can't choose who you fall in love with. And it isn't about sexual orientation. It's about attraction and your ability to resist your urges.SaciidAyanleh wrote:Kaafiye wrote:
Yes it is a choice. Hence why you see homosexual activity in American prisons....bring committed by men who are otherwise straight. So it is a choice to be gay.
And even if it wasn't a choice....so what? Are we so backwards that we act on our own impulses and fail to exercise self-restraint? I know of people who are attracted to their own mothers (through no fault of their own). Should they be permitted to pursue such a relationship and if not, why not?This tired argument again. Male on male sexual violence is a form of social dominance as old as humanity, it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Men adopt this mentality that it isn't "gay" if you're the one doing the penetrating, and the act is seen as humiliating and emasculating the receiver.
You lack empathy, you takfiri wahabist. If it isn't a choice put yourself in their position. Imagine a world where homosexuality is the norm and heterosexuality is taboo. Now imagine a major line of argument against your sexuality is "don't give into your urges" and "just marry and sleep with a man." Very reasonable advice, huh? In this hypothetical, your only response should be "yeah, I would sleep with a man if that were the case."
"What's next, incest?" No one can stop blood relatives from entering a sexual relationship. In terms of marriage, being attracted to your relatives isn't a sexual orientation, so I don't see the relevance to this issue. "What about bestiality?" The animals are non-consensual parties. "Pederasty?" The children are non-consensual parties. Anything else, Kaafiye???
I can be attracted to my brother's wife, or desire to rob a store, or an urge to commit Zina. That doesn't mean I should follow on my impulses like an animal, instead of being a man of self restraint.
No sane man would have sexual relations with his mother and no sane man would even think about having sexual relations with another man. It's an act worthy of contempt and a characteristic of the worst of Allah's creation.
Whichever man has sexual urges should exercise self restraint and not act upon it, because he's a self respecting man and not an impulsive animal.
But I wouldn't expect you to understand this you impulsive Liberal.
you just wrote a wall of nothing....I know it's hard to believe, but there are men and women out there not sexually attracted to the opposite sex. The fact that you call it an urge (is your desire to marry the opposite sex a mere urge that can be easily ignored?) showcases your lack of empathy, it is the same mentality that would see you expel all miskiin, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth Bantus from Somalia. 
Basra- wrote:Kaaf
No. SaciidAyanleh is asking u to have compassion. and also not to think u know everything. U cant know what another person goes through unless u walk in their shoes. It is easy to be a PC jihadist or judger, but to actually walk the talk-its pretty heroic.
Thank you Basra, oh wise one.
Al hakam the second of cordoba , Abdurahman the third , Al hisham the second and Al mutacmid were all openly gay and known to have kept male harems full of young boysBasra- wrote:Alpharabius wrote:Now all America needs is a Gay president, if Islam could have 5 open gay Caliphs of the Quraish tribe in the middle ages why can't the west lol
Prove it!
Homosexuality was a key symbolic issue throughout the Iberian middle ages.
As was customary every where until the nineteenth century, homosexuality was
not viewed as a congenital disposition or “identity”; the focus was on
non-procreative sexual practices,of which sodomy was the most controversial.
Female homosexual behavior was ignored, and almost nothing is known about
it.
In al-Andalus, homosexual pleasures were much indulged in by the
intellectual and political elite. Evidence includes the behavior of rulers, such as
Abd ar-Rahman III, al-Hakem II, Hisham II, and al-Mutamid, who openly
kept male harems; the memoirs of Badis, last Zirid king of Granada; references
to homosexual prostitutes, who charged higher fees, and had a higher class of
clientele, than did female prostitutes; the repeated criticisms of Christians; and
especially the abundant poetry. Both pederasty and love between adult males
are found. Although homosexual practices were never officially condoned,
prohibitions against them were rarely enforced, and usually there was not even
a pretense of doing so
Here's what i found on wiki concerning Al amins love of feminine eunuchs from Al tabaris history.During the same period as Abu Nuwas, there was also another gay Muslim who made history. Caliph Al-Amin, the son of Harun al-Rashid, led the Muslim World despite being openly gay. Muslim historian Al-Tabari wrote that he fell madly in love with one of his male slaves, Kauthar, whom he had named after a river in paradise. Imam Daayiee Abdullah, who is openly gay, says Al-Amin’s mother went to great lengths, including fashioning young women in the harem into men, in order to lure her son from his homosexuality. Of course, she failed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-AminThe fact that Al-Amin was known to be sexually attracted to male eunuchs was seen by many at the time as a deficit in his character.[1] Al-Tabari notes this fondness for eunuchs. He also records accounts of al-Amin's intense irritation when singers sang songs that were not very auspicious. Al-Amin is described by this historian as being extravagant. It was also reported that his mother arranged for slave women to be dressed in masculine clothing in the hope of inducing him to adopt more conventional morals
ibn kathir writes in his revisionist history book al-bidaya wa l-nihaya an interesting speech delievered by Caliph abdul malik bin marwan on page 64, volume 9 that i am not a weak leader like yazeed bin muawiya, who used his slaves to do homosexual acts to himself. he was weak because he was a recepient of sodomy to himself!!!
and were not counting the ones in the closet . is this enough proof for you ?. Zubeir why you getting emotional over a few dead khaniisyo ? The Abbasid and the Ummayads were known to be corrupt , everything that was haram in Islam was Halal to them , they killed some of the prophets descendants , drank khamri , had gay singers and poets at their court , they would consult astrologers on important matters , heck they even built their Capital Baghdad using astrology instead of Quran. Do you think they would care about being gay ? .ZubeirAwal wrote:Alpharabius wrote:Now all America needs is a Gay president, if Islam could have 5 open gay Caliphs of the Quraish tribe in the middle ages why can't the west lol
Watch him reference western oriental sources as evidence, f-king wench.
I love youBasra- wrote:Givejeffofree
Is that basketball player Gay?
Anything is do able when you have the backing of Hollywood. It was never a surprise when everyone's favorite show on T.V all of a sudden had gays and lesbians all over them. Take for an example Game Of Thrones the most watched show in America. Forget the gaalo even the American-Muslims couldn't resist not watching it regardless of the amount of gay sex scenes and other actions being displaced.FAH1223 wrote:It's a crazy how 60% of Americans were against gay marriage 15 years ago and now that same number is for it
It's astounding.
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjalaaludin5 wrote:1. God created Adam.
2. God told Satan to bow down to Adam and the devil rebelled.
3. Adam and Even = Procreation.
4. Stan the rebel = Anti-Creation.
What better way to undermine Creation than to attack the method of procreating.
In a nutshell, sodomites are devil Worshippers. How else could a person be attracted to faeces?
Take a blind heterosexual and a blind Homosexual. The blind heterosexual get a whiff of a women's sent and his in heaven. For the blind Homosexual. ...well, a fart will do
