Somaliland army chief promotes new officiers ( yup clan list)

[skywalker25]

I have my own suggestions to improve this system like all officials must have at least a Bachelor degree, Political parties
must offer their vision for the country or the community they are representing. This way we will shift from qabiil based voting to
regional intrest voting. Like Harti, Muse Abokor, eastern HY making a party to advance Reer Bari agenda. Mahamed Abokor, and rest of GX
making a party of their own to promote central regions. SM, CM, Arap and Gudabursi making a party of their own promoting Galbeed.

This way we can achieve something more productive and bring people with common interest together instead of the current state
of limbo and Habarcracy.

You're flogging a dead horse.
They - our resident HY/Cidagle- do not think forming bonds with other tribes to further ones interest is something positive. Infact it's a insult which is why they can't get over the HJ/SM union. They won't form a political union with each other let alone another tribe.

I think the reason why they re run the 90's every couple of weeks is they think it's the one thing that unites them. Pretty sad.

[Rambie]

The army is supposed to be a professional institution, rewarding various habro and langaab clans based on the merits of supporting a civilian party is hurting JSL militarys capability and professionalism in the end. Civilized countries have learned to differentiate this, but SL is an unstable habromacy something the international world saw long ago and has therefor sent away every beggar minister SL sends.

Fair point so what alternative do you suggest? The wining civilian party can't assign
or dismiss any positions within the army ranks, if that happen that who can? the Gurti, parliament, apposition or the army itself?

[hangool79]

The army is supposed to be a professional institution, rewarding various habro and langaab clans based on the merits of supporting a civilian party is hurting JSL militarys capability and professionalism in the end. Civilized countries have learned to differentiate this, but SL is an unstable habromacy something the international world saw long ago and has therefor sent away every beggar minister SL sends.

Fair point so what alternative do you suggest? The wining civilian party can't assign
or dismiss any positions within the army ranks, if that happen that who can? the Gurti, parliament, apposition or the army itself?

It's simple and I think you know the answer sxb, the answer is not to replace nepotism with idealism.

[Rambie]

You're flogging a dead horse.
They - our resident HY/Cidagle- do not think forming bonds with other tribes to further ones interest is something positive. Infact it's a insult which is why they can't get over the HJ/SM union. They won't form a political union with each other let alone another tribe.

I think the reason why they re run the 90's every couple of weeks is they think it's the one thing that unites them. Pretty sad.

And insults will get us anywhere? You can cross your thoughts and ideas without insulting
the other party. You've made a great contribution to this thread until you have insulted Hangool and CG.
Now you are back and fourth without really discussing anything.

[Skyflyguy]

Skyflyguy You're a defeatist sxb. If the Maryalool crew invaded your xafaad doesn't mean it applies to everyone
though. We blocked Cigaal government having any access in Sanaag until early 2000s (when he died of heart attack),
furthermore we controlled Burco and also we killed hundreds of them when they tried to enter Oodweyne led by Muuse Bixi.
Conclusion the maryalool failed to control one inch of Ismaaciil Carre/H-Y land.

Yaakhay it's true I was one of the many Garxajis reer hargeysa that was temporally forced out of hargeysa and lived in kaam abokor because of the shaydaan president cigaal, I never hide from truth but to me ismaaciil carre, muuse carre & Isaxaaq carre are nothing to divide up, just think of how king xirsi amaan would be rolling in his grave if he could see what his mighty habar yoonis is today

[hangool79]

Skyflyguy You're a defeatist sxb. If the Maryalool crew invaded your xafaad doesn't mean it applies to everyone
though. We blocked Cigaal government having any access in Sanaag until early 2000s (when he died of heart attack),
furthermore we controlled Burco and also we killed hundreds of them when they tried to enter Oodweyne led by Muuse Bixi.
Conclusion the maryalool failed to control one inch of Ismaaciil Carre/H-Y land.

Yaakhay it's true I was one of the many Garxajis reer hargeysa that was temporally forced out of hargeysa and lived in kaam abokor because of the shaydaan president cigaal, I never hide from truth but to me ismaaciil carre, muuse carre & Isaxaaq carre are nothing to divide up, just think of how king xirsi amaan would be rolling in his grave if he could see what his mighty habar yoonis is today

Civilians on both sides fled the war sxb, even Cigaal himself was at one time moments away of being relocated from the compound to gabiley when the opposition launched counter attacks in Hargeisa (Ka dhex Tooska). Had the war drawn out lots of more people would fill up the old camps from harte sheikh a - b to rabaso in east. A fleeing civilian population was not unique to one party.

You're talking to a guy who saw first hand in mid nineties the shanty towns in the road between gabiley iyo hargeisa, people fled along the road, selling fruits, tomatos whatever they could. Equally I saw the destruction the war had on the central and southern hargeisa civilian population.

[JSLHistorian]

Skyflyguy The reality is every man is responsible for the security of his towns and regions. I can't be responsible for
reer Hargeisa as-long as they have the likes of Faysal Ali Waraabe and others who are openly booty shaking for
Muuse Bixi screaming "abti abti" with no shame. If you don't fight for your rights and exterminate dabodhiliifs
don't expect a man from faraway Sanaag like me to do it for you.

[Skyflyguy]

Skyflyguy The reality is every man is responsible for the security of his towns and regions. I can't be responsible for
reer Hargeisa as-long as they have the likes of Faysal Ali Waraabe and others who are openly booty shaking for
Muuse Bixi screaming "abti abti" with no shame. If you don't fight for your rights and exterminate dabodhiliifs
don't expect a man from faraway Sanaag like me to do it for you.

the dabadhilifs according to you are only Cali warancade of the Isaxaaq and Faysal Cali warabe of the Cidagale soo maaha?
Okay sxb we will leave your knight in shining armour cirro out of the long list of suspected Garxajis dabadhilifs

[JSLHistorian]

Skyflyguy Every clan has wannabe dabodhiliifs different is we crack down hard on ours. For example Xildhibaan Salebaan
Bukhaari (a SY) mp that joined Kulmiye tried to badmouth WADANI party all S-Y mps and elders came down hard on him
like a bunch of rocks, we now no longer see him doing it. So moral of the story "nin walan tolkii ba uu mirqaba". We
karbash our politicians if we see that they are not working in our interest.

[skywalker25]

Don't you guys have Gashamo to worry about and your Ogaden friends, or is reliving the 90's and creating imaginary enemies easier?
Priorities, prioritie, priorities...

[Rambie]

It's simple and I think you know the answer sxb, the answer is not to replace nepotism with idealism.

Idealism i.e the most competent and qualified individual available for the said position.
Which is among what I have highlighted in my previous post, educated individuals to hold public positions.

But you and I know it is not possible, why? Because what you just described as nepotism is what keeping us together. All parties have commitment and duties to the communities that voted for them. If for instead they promoted 70 GX, 10 HA and 8 HJ what do you think their chances are going to be in the next elections? Make no mistake all governments work for their supporters in the 1st place and favorite them to be re-elected again if possible, than they work for the average people in the rest for the country.

The common person even if he didn't manage to drink a cup of tea behind this gov will support it duo to clan
affiliation and 'hebel hebel is representing me'. This is how SLAND works and unless we move to regionalization, it will stay that way.

You are asking Kulmiyi or lets say the gov to hire and empower the most competent candidate regardless of his/her clan.
But in reality all candidates are going to be from the sub clans that made Kulmiyi the current government ... ma aragtay?
At the moment, we can only hope for the gov to pick the most qualified among the above pr- gov group. Yet nothing will change
without aware population that votes for their own interest AND qualified ministers who actually went through a form of higher education.

[hangool79]

Don't you guys have Gashamo to worry about and your Ogaden friends, or is reliving the 90's and creating imaginary enemies easier?
Priorities, prioritie, priorities...

question is why are you even here, why are you still seeking attention? I've noticed people barely respond to you sxb, thats sad. But kindly exit the thread and let the grown men continue the topic.

[skywalker25]

wallahi I was gonna actuall reply to your comments with some evidence, but the I realised who I was dealing with and thought better. Hangol I don't know who u are, nor do I wish to do so, you have obviously assumed that by just being a general prick, with emotional and daddy issues - which would explain why you keep claiming I'm 40 - is the only way to enhance your standings with the rest of the people on this forum. You seem to me you are a social reject without the ability to conduct yourself in a respectful normal manor. I understand this is a free social forum that allows people like yourself the opportunity to play some imaginary role so that u can be the person you couldn't be in real life. Giving you the benefit to constantly cry after those way above your station. Unfortunately I have given u far to much time and attention, something you really don't deserve, simply because neither your opinion nor your words affect me in any kind of way. This forum seems to be oxygen for u and the back and forth your daily diet. With me this is not the case. I could not care and have a life outside this forum. So congratulations, you have won....

[mahoka]

Since Sacad Muuse pays nearly all the tax why shouldn't they recieve these

[Skyflyguy]

Since Sacad Muuse pays nearly all the tax why shouldn't they recieve these

Here comes The guy who always says things that make his sacad muuse clan look retarded.
Kid do u even know the history of your tribe and how they gave their daughters to Cidagale sultan so he could let them live in hargeysa?
Think twice before you try to make sacad muuse look like its richer than Garxajis