Atheists

[Galol]

Intellex

So you literally believe Muhammed rode a big white mule all the way to space? Do you know oxygen runs out after few thousnad feet? have you heard of hypooythermia? And what was keeping Muhammed on the saddle? And can you calculate how fast this space-going donkey must have been travelling if it did the whole journey to teh seventh sky in one night? And where the hell is the seventh sky anyway?

Intellex your head have been stuffed full with these childish, harry potterish lies since before conception. Are you going to fool yourself forever? It is not about faith it si about common sesne. Your choice.

[intellex]

galool let me ask you this

you are "smart " right? and dont believe what We believe right? so why dont you accept the fact that people have faith in their creater its thier choice just like you made your own

[Galol]

Intellex

I do accept people have different faiths. What makes you think I don't?

JB

That verse which you paraphrased, demsontrated Muhammed as his most unprincipled, power hungry self. the people he was talking to where Hind Bint utbah and Abu sufyan. He knew they still wielded a lot of power and he will liose if they launched a guerilla war against him in Mecca. So he allowed them to worship Uzzat, Hubal, lat and manat right under his nose. They never became Muslims and were indeed eventually responsible for the annihilation of Muhammed's family. That si what they call in modern politics tactical short-termism or just plain opportunism. it does not work now and clearly it did not work then.

[intellex]

[quote="Galol"]Intellex

I do accept people have different faiths. What makes you think I don't?



[/quote] see even mad mac had the decency to respect other peoples faith and stopt insulting why cant you respect the religion of your parents and people ok you dont want to accept it fine its between you and your creater ( allah subxaahaanahu wa tacaalaa) so use your brains and talk about something else

[Galol]

Intellex

I have not been created By Allah subxanahu wa racala - because no such thing exists except in the semi-vacant heads of those cursed with blind, unquestioning acceptanvce of everything their `bettesr' tell them. You brelieve in himn not because you sought and found evidence but you were TOLD so by people. you are intellectually incompetent enough to fall for it without critical look at the evidence.

And I will respect religions dumb things though they are, as long as they do no impact negatively on then lives of my people. That si why i have no problems with Christainity, Hinduism, Zoros, Budhism - all pure and utter childish lies - but no threat to my people.

Mad hat Isalm does impact negatively on the lives of our starving masses so it is an enemy of the people that should be fought with intellect and the gun if necessary and be defeated. surely you can understand that?

Do you want me to list to you the number of ways this murderous arab superstition impverishes the lives and impinges on the survival and dignity of our dying race?

[intellex]

Galool you proved me again sxb that you are really naive you may not think you are but you are

lakum diinukakum wali yi diini

good luck with jahanama sxb and say hi to your friends

[Galol]

C'mon Intellex. You know I am right.

OK. If someone came to see you today, read you Harry potter and told Gandalf was real how will you react?

Yet religions are absolute copies of harry potters only older.

I mean how ridicolous is it to believe, literally flying winbged extra-terrestrail angels speaking Arabic? How ludicrous is it to accept spy angels sitting on your shoulders right now? How believable is it that an old Arab guy rode a donkey with wings to space?

Utterly Alice in wonderland stuff! Yet people are dying and gettinh killed because of thsi quaint children's story. Unbelievable, pun not intended.

[Caana-Nuug]

Galol writes "Intellex your head have been stuffed full with these childish, harry potterish lies since before conception. Are you going to fool yourself forever? It is not about faith it si about common sesne. Your choice."

What is more "Harry Potterish" than the 'Big Bang' theory? Since when does order come from disorder according to the laws of physics? Let me ask you; if you got up from your chair as you read this, took a baseball bat and destroyed your PC, then went to sleep, when you wake up the next day would you expect to find that the PC has disappeared and in its place a laptop has appeared out of nowhere? If my question sounds ridiculous, it is meant as such, because the theory of evolution suggests utter madness.

Another hypothetical question: What would you think if you ran across the latest model car in the depths of a thick forest? Would you think that various elements in the forest had come together by chance over millions of years and produced such a vehicle? All the raw materials making up the car are obtained from iron, plastic, rubber, earth or its by-products, but would this fact lead you to think that these materials had come together "by chance" and "on their own" thus manufactured such a car?

Without doubt, anyone would know that the car was the product of a conscious design, that is a factory. The sudden origination of a complex structure in a complete form out of the blue shows that it is created by a conscious agent. The designs in the bodies of living beings are in no way incomparable to that of a car. It is acknowledged that the cell, the building block of life, cannot be produced in any laboratory. Humans are multi-celled living organisms with complex system than a car, how can they ever be the product of "chance" as you claim?. This fact proves us once again that life is the product of a superior mind and knowledge. It is created by Allah, the owner of infinite wisdom and knowledge.

I smell doubt burrowing in to your heart, you might want to reconsider your outlandish claims of things just appearing out of nowhere and monkeys deciding to turn in to humans....

[Galol]

Caana

Being skeptical about evolution and big bang does not automatically mean creation and the existence of big ET is somehow true. why do theists fall for this zero-sum game pettiness everytime?

Lets assume evolution is completely wrong. does that make creationism, the outlandish concept that a big sky god made one man in unspecified other world; the man then manageged to get himself a woman some say by simply ripping out his one of his ribs and turning it into curvaceous woman who bore him many children who indulged in rampant incest who produced humanity. oh and they got thrown out of the shangri-la world they lived because they ate an apple! What kind of petty god does that?

I think that is story is far more outlandish, far more childlike, far less believable than reptiles growing wings and turning into birds over millions of years.

Lastly please don't go to the argument of nothing coming out of vaccuum because it is teh theists perrennial achilles heel since they tend to say in the same sentence "nothing comes out of vacuumm and everything that exists must have been created...oh except god has no creator"

[LionHeart-112]

^^Every time you prove us right. You are probably the most childish adult ever to post on Somalinet.

The fact that there is a Creator behind everything, including the world, is consistent with human thought. No1's come across a material thing like clothes, cars, jewelrly, toothpick, hair dryer, tv, speakers, mouse etc. etc. etc. and believed it had no maker. They all have their brand names on them-Malboro, Sony, Toyota, Proctor and Gamble, and GM. What does the earth have to be different? Why do WE, HUMANS, have to be different?

You can see Allah's name written all over us and everything on this planet. You don't have to be a scholar or a philosopher to know that there is an Intelligent Creator behind it all.

And for this very reason why societies in every culture on every continent came up with stories and myths dealing with the creation of the earth and people. From the Greeks to the Mayas to the Egyptians to the Chinese.

Athiesm and Evolution are nothing but 19th century inventions to deal with repressive catholic leadership of Europe. In case you haven't noticed, almost all of the world's athiest and evolution bullshti comes from europe.

[dhuusa_deer]

Your post contains numerous scientific errors. I'll correct the important ones.

[quote="Caana-Nuug"]
Since when does order come from disorder according to the laws of physics? [quote]

I think you're referring to 2nd law of Thermodynamics which states that the entropy (also called 'order') of a system must be tending to increas in a closed system. Few things about this law:

1. Entropy of CLOSED system doesn't HAVE TO be increasing. It can remain the same. The second law will be violated for closed system only if the entropy decreases.

2. Entropy is measurable property like energy. Therefore, the 2nd law states only the OVERALL entropy must be tending to increase...localized decrease in entropy is permissible.

3. As stated entropy is measurable property very similar to energy. It is NOT a measure of disorder. Scientists use 'order' or 'disorder' as an analogy. Entropy is a measure dispersion of ENERGY and stipulates that it must disperse if unhindered.

The Theory of Evolution doesn't violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics at all becuz the earth is open system.

You asked if order is possible from disorder. The answer is YES. YOU are one such example. You went from fertilized ovum to highly organised, ordered and complex being. And you still didn't violate any laws of physics.

[quote] but would this fact lead you to think that these materials had come together "by chance" and "on their own" thus manufactured such a car? [quote]

Science doesn't suggest ANYTHING comes into existance purely by CHANCE becuz everything in our universe are guided by invariable universal laws.

[quote] The sudden origination of a complex structure in a complete form out of the blue shows that it is created by a conscious agent. [quote]

But NOTHING comes out of the blue. You grow from fertilized ovum to baby to adulthood. That is NOT out of the blue, is it?

[Caana-Nuug]

[quote="The rebel"][quote]Remember we are ALL born ATHEISTS! You didn't have a religion when you were born. [/quote]

Sorry, Here I disagree with you , We believe everyone is born pure and good, and and tawheed (natural inclination to believe in God) this is called the FITRAH, the nature of every human being, without influence from anything. In addition, this is why we say everyone is born Muslim, and it is their parents that make him/her into a Jew or Christian etc. All children raised in a Muslim or non-Muslim family who die in their childhood are not questioned by God and admitted into Paradise.

Again, you are avoiding to answer my questions: Forget about Islam and Muslims for a minute and tell me why you reject God?

What is so hard to understand about him? What is your definition of God?

I think we need to open a new thread for that but please no insult as I hate to lower my self to that level. Thank you[/quote]

Rebel,

What happaned to you? Did you forget about your gheerah? How can you come to the rescue of people like Galol & DD whom you used to battle so fiercely?

Shame, shame, shame.....

[Farax's__finest]

[quote="Caana-Nuug"]
Rebel,

What happaned to you? Did you forget about your gheerah? How can you come to the rescue of people like Galol & DD whom you used to battle so fiercely?

Shame, shame, shame..... [/quote]

[The rebel]

"Rebel,

What happaned to you? Did you forget about your gheerah? How can you come to the rescue of people like Galol & DD whom you used to battle so fiercely?

Shame, shame, shame..... "

Listen, when the majority of you were engaging an insult with him, or some of you were cheerleading for him for tribe reason, I was the only person who was stopping him. I have my principles, wrong is wrong whatever from an atheist or Muslim. Even if my own father did this I would be the first one who goes agains him.

I don't workship faces and nothing deserves to defend other than my principles. I would never ever lower my self and deceive people whom trust me to just take a cheap cyber revenge. Even if that revenge is temporary and causes more demage to one's self than their enemies!!

One thing, I would never care is, if one is wrong or sins I will always be with the right "Haq" even if that Haq is against me.

Last and not least my role models not Galol or you fake part time clanish. But people like Imam al-Shafi'i who said:

"I never talked with someone but sincerely wished that Allah guard him, protect him from sin and misdeed, and guide him; and I never debated with someone but sincerely wished that we would come upon truth, regardless of whether he or I should be the one to think of it first."

But that is something you would never understand which is "justice". And what is right to do regardles of if the person is bad or good.

[Kamal35]

[quote="Caana-Nuug"]
The theory of evolution is a theory, just like gravity is a theory! It is not a fact[/quote]


Hey, then jump from the 69th floor of a building to prove that 'gravity' is a wrong theory. Man, gravity is a LAW, not a theory. It's proven and it works. You're wrong here.