DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"

[Caytame]

Hey, genius, I was just trying to add perspective, you know. Do you understand the reason why we were sold like xoolo? It was due to the disorganization of our tribe, moron. Our problem is that not all OGs are ONLF (pro-secession, variety of rights), and we have eeys who snitch on us; who also just happened to be within our circle. Yes, I do agree that Kismayo is our second home, and we can receive a beneficial things through it, but we wasted too much time and effort on it; let's be honest. Also, I do not like your pessimistic view on Galbeed. Do you think it ever had a chance to secede? I honestly did. But, due to (again) our lack of organization, it never happened. Had we spent half of our time determined on one thing (ONLF/WSLF), we would've reached our goals, and the situation right now would for easier/less tense.

Anyways, case in point: what I was advocating for, in a general sense, is a stronger, more united Ogaden. But now, due to our fatal mistakes, combined with our incompetence and shortsightedness, I no longer believe this could be the case anymore.

BTW, nowhere did I state that I did not support Madoobe. Of course I do, he's our last straw. I was just shedding some light on our reality, and how things should be played out.

waryaa go claim your people midgaan yahoow and quit claiming ogaden.
perspectivekaaguna waa la wasaa.

let me remind you something, ogaden are united in JL, and in Galbeed.

Long live Madoobe. Keep hating on him and then claim ogaden xooloow.

Are you okay? Where did I state that I did not support Madoobe? Can't you read? Anyways, you claimed that we are united, can you bring forth evidence of that? Even my sub-clan - if I must concede - lost major city to ilkayar; baardheere, to be exact. I firmly support Madoobe, only if he treads cautiously, and understands the importance of the unity of the OG tribe; and, also, the dangers that he potentially faces.

Anyways bro, fyi, I am Cawlyahan reer Afwaah Reer Osman Khair... Call me sheegato all you want, but this is my personal view of how things are turning.

ogaden doesn't lose lands to anyone, let alone laangaab midgaan from gedo.
As for baardheere, it was taken by msb using the might of the dawlad, a feat farmaajo has tried to repeat but failed miserably.

fyi: you are not ogaden, claim your real daddy, and stop it with the sheegato, it's embarrassing.
you're probably that maniac voltage or murax, that's if they aren't the same person already.

[Voltage]

Wadanig-

Caytame, unfortunately, is not a particularly intelligent man. I say this not to be meanspirited---but to be quite frank. I almost never point at anyone's intelligence given what it represents, but Caytame is an exception, and like this moment, have before been compelled to point this fact out---when, again, I rarely say that about anyone.

For example: If I just said this is the 1st time in more than 50 years the Marehan Ugaas is holding court or that Marehan just made peace with Ethiopia on Statehood after 80 year's of state of war---what makes a logical, intelligent person respond with political representation as a rational barometer for replying to a post describing political inequality/disenfrenchisement?

Also, I am not surprised he responded with political representation to begin with. You see, Somali Region even today sort of represents "occupied territory" --- understandably of course given what I just said about that 80 years hostilities since Ethiopia declared sovereignty over the area.

Occupied territory is about control; it is about reward and punishment. It is not about fairness; it is not about equality. It is about divide and conquer, bribe or starve; it is about capitulation or strangulation.

Do you see how Somalia has only had 1 single change in administrative unites---in 1972 and even the districts of 1991 are still acknowledged as largely appropriate and relevant 30 years later?

Look at Somali Region under the administration of Cabdi Iley---with the complete backing of the TPLF who gave him license to resources to enforce capitulation through nepotism or strangle through force; no less than 5X has Somali Region underwent complete map change and Cabdi Iley in particular oversaw the most corrupt, inefficient, and nepotistic bloated administrative organization you can ever think of.

He realized quickly the price for taking support from the ONLF in the Ogaden countryside was "wherever a bird shat in front of an Ogaden elder---name it a district."

It is always slightly amusing when I see primitive, 3rd world mindsets reference the concepts underpinning their subjectivity as "legitimizing."

Never the less, later I will response directly to some of his misunderstandings about Kaxandhaale and where Marehan lives in Doolo.

Guhaad used to be like him----until Marehan became engaged in the land and Guhaad found out just how extensively Marehan still lives in the land which political is administered as if Marehan doesn't even exist there entirely monopolized politically in his name.

It is completely a fictional, manufactured political environment which is why I say they milked an 80 year state of hostilities between Marehan and Ethiopia to their extreme advantage.

Good, I am glad you backtracked on your false claimsurprisingly I am shocked you did it because you were the guy who once said "the coasts of dhagaxbuur are settled by marehan", knowing fully that all of Somali galbeed is landlocked.

Anyways, you do not have a half of a district to yourself making you a loomayaan in the region. Some marehans even pay mag with ismaaciil gumacadle makaahil.

ado mdigaan ah haatana ii magan ah inaad igu af celisaa saw khalad ma'aha awoogaa lagub!

I don't speak for Guhaad, but I know every single district of my country ogadenia and who settles there. Don't think you delusional fantasies will work with me.

Don't let me catch you making another fake claim again.

You are a nuisance.

[Voltage]

Whenever I see grubby internet grifters full of negativity and defective personality issues who just want to outdue everyone else in insults and who can type more epithets----I say you have fun on your own.

Considering how this topic was made destructive, I am going to switch to a new topic in Gedo section.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

Whenever I see grubby internet grifters full of negativity and defective personality issues who just want to outdue everyone else in insults and who can type more epithets----I say you have fun on your own.

Considering how this topic was made destructive, I am going to switch to a new topic in Gedo section.

Voltage,

To respond to your original post, Ahmed Madoobe cannot maintain grip on Kismaayo without the backing of Kenya. In fact, no factional leader in Somalia can maintain power and control without the support of a foreign entity. One of the reasons Ethiopia's TPLF didn't crack down heavily on ONLF was because ONLF was primarily targeting Somalis. The Amhara and Tigre in Addis Ababa couldn't give a flying shit about Somalis killing Somalis (ONLF-Ogaden vs Anti-ONLF Ogaden/other Somalis). In the case of Jubbaland, if Kenya throws Ahmed Madoobe out, then it's game over for dear old Ahmed Madoobe.

[Caytame]

Whenever I see grubby internet grifters full of negativity and defective personality issues who just want to outdue everyone else in insults and who can type more epithets----I say you have fun on your own.

Considering how this topic was made destructive, I am going to switch to a new topic in Gedo section.

When you do it, don't forget to mention the districts that marehan live in. There isn't a single degmo they got.
Everyone can edit maps and write whatever they want on it. that's hardly a prove.
you got representation? no.
do you have a single district(out of 100+)? no.

The days you'd BS around and make shit up are over.

[Phinks]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

Finally, an intelligent Ogaden, why is it that when it comes to our OG friends, it's always 'I will kill you, be glad we haven't wiped your kind out, it's only by Ogaden kindness you are allowed to live' its not just online, wallahi I have come across individuals like this in real life, sometimes I wonder if these guys are afflicted with some type of mental illness.

Let's break it down

1. Nobody, I mean nobody on earth, has ever maimed, killed and xasuuqed Ogaden more than Ogaden. Their dysfunction and willingness to betray each other for crumbs is apparent to everyone. Just like you mentioned, this infighting amongst themselves has severely impacted the performance of the resistance campaign being waged by ONLF.

2. Ogaden and Marexaan BOTH need Kismayo, Ogaden are landlocked as are Marexaan (barring some extreme exceptions), this is understandable and clear to anyone. It's crucial for them to maintain monopoly on the port, also thanks to its viability and location.

3. Kismayo has a population numbering less than 200 thousand, compared to Xamar's 2 million. If we're being honest, it's a relatively small city, there are towns in the U.S that have a higher population. I mention this so we can all understand how ridiculous this has gotten, we (Darood) have been reduced to fighting for scraps.

4. Kismayo has a lot of bad blood, various factions led by Jess, Morgan, Hiraalee, Gabyo etc have led to the impasse we are seeing today, too much blood has been shed on all sides.

5. Ahmed Madobe occupies Kismayo thanks to Ugali muscle, anyone saying otherwise is being disingenuous. The two main belligerent forces here are Ogaden and Marexaan, both the former and latter believe Kismayo belongs to them and them only, ala manifest destiny mindset.


Either MX, OG and Harti come to a decision on Kismayo or accept the status quo to continue for decades to come. This is why I always suggested for Kismayo to be Daroods 'Mogadishu', if HabarGidir, Abgaal and Mursade can share Xamar then we too can share Kismayo.


Unfortunately, knowing Somalis...

[Nomand]

Caytame,

if we are being honest ogadeen have the least amount of land in wardheer/ doolo compared to the rest of the clans.

look at the map that Wadanigga supplied just from the towns and their location you can clearly see harti and in particular dhulbahante have the most land followed by marehan then majerteen and finally ogadeen.

why don't you take the map and color in the villages that are owned by ogadeen. and i will guarantee you ogadeen do not settle more then 15 percent of /wardheer/doolo zone.

The guy has the audacity to say that Makaahiil has more land in Doollo than Harti and Marehan. Marehan use to have more land than Makaahiil, but they have moved away throughout the decades, especially after the birth of the Somali nation in 1960. The formation of the new Somali nation convinced many Somalis that the Somali Galbeed region will forever be under the occupation of Ethiopia and Marehan didn't want to be under occupation.

marehan still have more land then makaahil in doolo, the only clan that has more land in doolo is dhulahante.

but marehan also have a lot of land in qoraxey all the way to shilaabo and also in liban zone. truth is voltage is correct marehan has big population in DDS but is under represented because marehan always viewed themselves as clan from somalia, but things are changing. Marehan in liben zone, doolo zone and qoraxeey zone are now accepting being somali Ethiopians and are now looking for proper representation.

only dir and ogadeen have more land/ people in DDSI then marehan. marehan is the 3rd largest somali clan inside Ethiopia.

but you are correct marehan did have more land in qoraxey and doolo, heck wardeer, shilaabo and gelaadi towns where all marehan strong holds but where kicked out in the 60's and then again in 1970's and 1980's by Ethiopian army, MJ and Ogadeen benefited from it no doubt about that.

[Caytame]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

Finally, an intelligent Ogaden, why is it that when it comes to our OG friends, it's always 'I will kill you, be glad we haven't wiped your kind out, it's only by Ogaden kindness you are allowed to live' its not just online, wallahi I have come across individuals like this in real life, sometimes I wonder if these guys are afflicted with some type of mental illness.

Let's break it down

1. Nobody, I mean nobody on earth, has ever maimed, killed and xasuuqed Ogaden more than Ogaden. Their dysfunction and willingness to betray each other for crumbs is apparent to everyone. Just like you mentioned, this infighting amongst themselves has severely impacted the performance of the resistance campaign being waged by ONLF.

2. Ogaden and Marexaan BOTH need Kismayo, Ogaden are landlocked as are Marexaan (barring some extreme exceptions), this is understandable and clear to anyone. It's crucial for them to maintain monopoly on the port, also thanks to its viability and location.

3. Kismayo has a population numbering less than 200 thousand, compared to Xamar's 2 million. If we're being honest, it's a relatively small city, there are towns in the U.S that have a higher population. I mention this so we can all understand how ridiculous this has gotten, we (Darood) have been reduced to fighting for scraps.

4. Kismayo has a lot of bad blood, various factions led by Jess, Morgan, Hiraalee, Gabyo etc have led to the impasse we are seeing today, too much blood has been shed on all sides.

5. Ahmed Madobe occupies Kismayo thanks to Ugali muscle, anyone saying otherwise is being disingenuous. The two main belligerent forces here are Ogaden and Marexaan, both the former and latter believe Kismayo belongs to them and them only, ala manifest destiny mindset.


Either MX, OG and Harti come to a decision on Kismayo or accept the status quo to continue for decades to come. This is why I always suggested for Kismayo to be Daroods 'Mogadishu', if HabarGidir, Abgaal and Mursade can share Xamar then we too can share Kismayo.


Unfortunately, knowing Somalis...

Ogaden still has ras kambooni, buurgaabo and the badhaadhe coast, we aren't landlocked like you midgo.
i don't even know why you are mentioning kismaayo, that ship's sailed long ago. The demographic shifts in the last 10 years has sealed the fate of kismaayo. There are more ogaden soldiers than there civilians of any other clan. The battleground in 2021 is gedo.

lastly, madoobe is here until 2025, and farmaajo is NOT. You know what that means? You should be plotting how you will defend Gedo without farmaajo instead of wasting your time here making up lies that won't help you in the real ground.

[Miscellaneous]

1. Nobody, I mean nobody on earth, has ever maimed, killed and xasuuqed Ogaden more than Ogaden. Their dysfunction and willingness to betray each other for crumbs is apparent to everyone. Just like you mentioned, this infighting amongst themselves has severely impacted the performance of the resistance campaign being waged by ONLF.

I absolutely agree with this statement the most. I mean, why, and I mean why, are we so docile and obedient to Xabashis, who want to see nothing but demise, than other Somalis? For MX, I understand, as they made their base in Gedo and JL. But us; the vast majority of us live in DDS; that is our homeland. We are waaay too large to make JL our homeland. We are used to living in harsher climates and wider spaces. If we wanted to, we should've done it 200 years. All of OG should've came as a block; and, instead of being greedy and hesitant, we should've organized and spaced out lands for each other. We have organization and settlement problems, we just move way too darn much. This is what makes feel distant to each other, and the majority of our enemies - as you said - see this problem, and try to make the best of it. Also, Google Maps, and take a look Godey and Qabri Dahar. Both of those cities have incredible potential, it's crazy. I would even say that they have more potential than Kismayo. Heck, even MX have the same problem. They are way too focused on Kismayo rather than building on what they have.

2 problems darods face: Shortsightedness and Disorganization.