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Re: Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Twisted Logic,

I think you misunderstood the challenge Voltage presented to you. His challenge was not about who could write the most BS, but who could bring forth more logical points. You didn't refute anything he said. So I see your taking pride in typical Muloduud form, in controlling DISTRICTS (2) of Xamar while it is a well known fact that we liberated REGIONS (Jubbada Hoose, Gedo, Mudug). In the game of Somali politics alliances and blocs will be made. Perfect example is the unholy Muloduud, Majerten Tigray alliance. Again we made an alliance with CAYR, as they were able to provide the logistics and safeguarding of the Marexaan army from CABUDWAQ, to go through Hawiye lands at the zenith of Hawiye Darood tensions unscathed. If Cayr cornered the market and strong armed Muloduud in Xamar which they did, then I'm sorry to hear that. It just proves how useless Muloduud is that a subclan of HG dominates Muloduud in their own "city". Laughing Anyhow its a well known fact that the entire economy in Southern Somalia was pretty much controlled by Marexaan and Cayr who actually have a long history together. In your false depiction of the Cayr Marexaan alliance you tried to fruitlessly paint a slave master relationshiop. Perhaps you need to figure out what a slave master relationship is. A slave relationship master exists between Majerten and Muloduud. Abdullahi Yusuf has succeeded in having his Muloduud lackeys spearhead the Tigray to wipe out thousands of Hawiye INCLUDING Muloduud, and make a half million of them homeless. If Marexaan had HG cuqdad, they would engage in the xasuuq but they've distanced themselves from it while Muloduud prostitutes have shamelessly supported it in the name of "getting revenge". As far as the ICU and Somalia, the ICU was a Southern Somalia movement that trancended qabil lines. 90% of Somalia supported it regardless of qabil. The same Marexaan who were Itixaad yesteday, wholeheartedly joined the ICU. Marexaan elders, youth, businessmen etc. joined the ICU in masse. These were the same Marexaan that told Barre 'We're not going to fight deen, so leave the city'. It was the first time Barre lost the support of clan to an idealogical movement. When Barre made the comment about 'using yahud against ICU' he made it in anger and bitterness at supporting the ICU militairly and economically, being Anti Tigray, and then getting betrayed just because he wasn't Dahir Aweis's nephew like Indacadde. However while Marexaan, Ogadeen fought to end in Idaale and Diinsoor, Muloduud smiled at the ICU defeat and welcomed the Eithos into Xamar and promised to support them wholeheartedly. Mohamed Dhere received a rousing welcome in Jowhar, and the Eithos came and first set up base in Medina and then went on to administer pain and punishment to the Hawiye in Xamar. It also speaks volumes that Barre Hiiraale didn't even want to have anything to do with the Xamar xasuuq, but his deputy Salad Jeele (Suprise Muloduud) stepped up and became the voice of Muloduud Tigray revenge against HG. Barre Hiiraale's business was in Diinsoor, Idaale and as soon as that was over he wiped his hands clean, while Muloduud continued their longtime tradition of licking foreigners genitals for small rewards. down

From your post: "the very seeds of treachery were planted by your fellow Marehan turncoats when they offered to fight alongside our colonizers who brutalized and massacred our own people and at a time when the Somali people were beginning to raise up against the invading colonizers. By contrast, Mudulood didn’t choose to invite the Ethiopians into our country"

I laughed for 10 minutes straight! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]



Luq_Ganane,




Your compatriot Voltage has made some sensationalist claims simply to construct a none-existing reality, which is quite honestly an insult to the human psych. As I have said before, the first people to deconstruct a highly intricate and complicated Western geo-political strategic interest with grave implications for peace and harmony in East Africa and specifically for Somalia into a simple feud between Hawiye and Darood was none other than your mystical super-hero Barre Hirale and his fellow Marehan turncoats! The mere facts that thousands of Marehan demonstrators took to the streets soon after the fall of Kismayo to the hands of the ICU proves once again without a shadow of doubt that the majority of the Marehan were implicit and complicit in fostering a Hawiye Vs. Darood at a time when the Ethiopians were massing their troops with Somali territories. Barre Hirale’s infamous phrase, “For the Hawiye we will even invite the Zionists,” is a damning remainder of your people’s intrinsic treachery and inherent fifth column status. In addition, the only Somali clan-elders who regularly visit the palaces of the Ethiopian despot to consult with him the day to day affairs of their people are none other than your own Marehan! So I find it really remarkable that you would accuse others of treason, when your kin have fostered the very seeds of national treason within Somalia, the effects which is right in-front of us!

As I have said before, Barre Hirale wanted desperately to march to Mogadishu and gain some influence, but the Ethiopians saw no reason for his presence as he came from a clan that had no role left to play in the greater Somali politics. In fact, as I have said before, he became the first warlord to be used and abused together with Aideed Jr. The mere fact that after being shown the third by the Ethiopians after his fateful journey to Addis Ababa exposes his irrelevancy. After being cornered between a rock and a hard place, he had to run to Asmara and join the same ICU leaders he had accused of being Hawiye militias leaders to gain few popularity points. These pervasive myths of a mystical super-hero your kin are desperately trying to construct have no basis in reality and the facts are right in-front of your eyes.

In addition, as I have said in my previous post, the first incursion of the Ethiopians into Somalia during the late 1990s and especially 1999, and their war against the Al Itihad Al Islami did not happen until the Marehan clan has fully backed the Ethiopian intrusion into Somali territories. This, in essence, set the benchmark for treason and national back-stabbing.

It is no secret that the Marehan were under the Ceyr lordship (a fact which Alchemist has proved to us!). Furthermore, the only clan that has extensive business partnership with the Ceyr is the Wacesley Mudulood. So this non-existent Ceyr-Marehan business partnership that you are trying to construct is flawed! The relationship between the Ceyr and the Marehan was a simple victim-protector deal, where the Ceyr accumulated wealth through their check-points in GalGaduud and Jubba valley!
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Re: Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

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[quote="Alchemist"]Luq... Dont die of cuqdad sxb we cool, nothing wrong with losing against 60 thousand Ethiopian soliders killing innocent civilians but all somalis know our history, how we chased your beloved leader into Kenya.

Hawiye is fighting Ethiopian army with American help...

While Merahan was always under the supervision of Ceyr. Very Happy[/quote]


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing at " supervision" Laughing Laughing Laughing you made my day. I know alot of Marehan kids will knock their heads against the wall now!
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^^

Alchemist,

If you knew anything about the civil war, you would know that the Hawiye warloards Qeybadid, Mohamed Dhere, Gacmadhere etc. to name a few were VERY well regarded amongst their people and they were supported for years and years. Yes the people of Xamar (being very slow) FINALLY rose up and fought back, but it was too little too late. You supported these guys for too long, and when you stopped doing it they said 'how dare you..watch'. And this is what your prediciment is today. Too little too late I really think. When they fought against Daroods they were your friends, but now after they turned on you barbarically they are suddenly the enemy. Can't have your cake and eat it too sxb. The warloards you chose have you in a vice grip and have gotten Tigray on you now. These warloards will make sure you never rebel against them again, and Tigray not every wanting a strong Somalia will shid on Xamar forever because that is the capitol and they always want it to be in chaos. The warloards you supported and chose are here to stay. You only have yourselves to blame.
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Alchemist,

If you knew anything about the civil war, you would know that the Hawiye warloards Qeybadid, Mohamed Dhere, Gacmadhere etc. to name a few were VERY well regarded amongst their people and they were supported for years and years. Yes the people of Xamar (being very slow) FINALLY rose up and fought back, but it was too little too late. You supported these guys for too long, and when you stopped doing it they said 'how dare you..watch'. And this is what your prediciment is today. Too little too late I really think. When they fought against Daroods they were your friends, but now after they turned on you barbarically they are suddenly the enemy. Can't have your cake and eat it too sxb. The warloards you chose have you in a vice grip and have gotten Tigray on you now. These warloards will make sure you never rebel against them again, and Tigray not every wanting a strong Somalia will shid on Xamar forever because that is the capitol and they always want it to be in chaos. The warloards you supported and chose are here to stay. You only have yourselves to blame.[/quote]

It all sounds so sweet if it wasnt coming from a Marehan turncoat! You need few history lesson sxb Laughing
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''We need to wrap this up as we all have things to do. HG did not see or taste Xamar until the early '90s.''

This is what I mean with kids that talk about things they have no clue about whatsoever.

HG always lived in Mogadishu, matter of fact, the poorer section of Wardhiigley had always been mainly HG inhabited even before 1991. Ofcourse after 1991, they expanded into places that were vacated by diverse Non-Hawiye groups, like in sections of Xamar Jadiid, Hodan, Casa popolaire etc etc.

Mudulood on the contrary always lived in places like Kaaran, Medina, Shangani, Shibis, Boondheere, Yaaqshid etc etc. And to this day, we are living in the location were we had lived throughout Somalia's history, losing nothing but gaining something.

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Alchemist,

Do not mind what these simpletons say. After having been refutted on every point, they want to turn the whole issue into Mudulood vs HG...to justify their childesh claims of Jeele said, Dheere Said, Paltak-said arguments.

Lets wrap it up...since people do not want to come with historical FACTS but with FICTION Arrow
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^^

Agree. I've definitely made my points and so have everybody. I think deep down everybody knows the truth really, and I'm extremely pleased about where Marexaan is today and I hope all of you are happy too. Cool up
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Agree. I've definitely made my points and so have everybody. I think deep down everybody knows the truth really, and I'm extremely pleased about where Marexaan is today and I hope all of you are happy too. up[/quote]

hahaa! point taken. Next time before you make a sentational claims, it would be helpful to see the reality! Well, any-ways good luck next time! Cool You make this place fun Laughing
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Twisted Logic,


The reality is on the ground. I see it and so do you. Cool Laughing
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]Twisted Logic,


The reality is on the ground. I see it and so do you. Cool Laughing[/quote]

What reality? Marehan's historical acts of treason or the work of the Mogadishu mayor to stabalize the city?
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[quote="or the work of the Mogadishu mayor to stabalize the city?[/quote]

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[quote="Luq_Ganane"][quote="or the work of the Mogadishu mayor to stabalize the city?[/quote]

This reality. Idea Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

I am pretty sure there is nothing bad about the guy! He should be lauded for rebuilding his country after the destruction of the Somali state thanks to MSB's policies of clan-politics!
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This Was good ol fashioned debate and Since it has became a mudolood vs Marehan while I was away over the weekend, I will just say that both of you made good points. How about we let other tribes decide who won this debate? Its too close to call! Very Happy Very Happy
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[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="Luq_Ganane"][quote="or the work of the Mogadishu mayor to stabalize the city?[/quote]

This reality. Idea Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

I am pretty sure there is nothing bad about the guy! He should be lauded for rebuilding his country after the destruction of the Somali state thanks to MSB's policies of clan-politics![/quote]


Twisted Logic,

Mohamed Dhere is doing a fantastic job, cleaning up the troubled streets of Xamar. Xamar needs strongmen like him to do the job. As long as he keeps arresting known troublemakers like the af hayeen of Hawiye, he's good in my book. up

First point we agree on. Laughing Laughing
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"][quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="Luq_Ganane"][quote="or the work of the Mogadishu mayor to stabalize the city?[/quote]

This reality. Idea Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

I am pretty sure there is nothing bad about the guy! He should be lauded for rebuilding his country after the destruction of the Somali state thanks to MSB's policies of clan-politics![/quote]


Twisted Logic,

Mohamed Dhere is doing a fantastic job, cleaning up the troubled streets of Xamar. Xamar needs strongmen like him to do the job. As long as he keeps arresting known troublemakers like the af hayeen of Hawiye, he's good in my book. up

First point we agree on. Laughing Laughing[/quote]

You wanna toast to that! and no weak ass wine shyt. lets talk Jack Daniels son! Laughing
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^^

I don't drink sxb, but I'll gladly toast my 12 oz redbull I have on my right hand side. To peace up Laughing Laughing
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