Should somali schools teach evolution?

[RebelLion]

It should be taught in somali schools so somali kids can be aware of it and all it's flaws...otherwise, how are they expected to debate about something they know nothing about? I'd rather my kids knew about evolution and are able to show people who believe in it just how bullshyt the theory really is

well said. But it should be taught at higher education institutions, not elementary or high school. Knowledge after all is power.

[yungnfresh]

It should be taught in somali schools so somali kids can be aware of it and all it's flaws...otherwise, how are they expected to debate about something they know nothing about? I'd rather my kids knew about evolution and are able to show people who believe in it just how bullshyt the theory really is

well said. But it should be taught at higher education institutions, not elementary or high school. Knowledge after all is power.

ur right, at a young age, it might confuse them and they're more impressionable

i'd rather my young child was strong in the Diin so they'll reject any other explanations for the origin of life than be strong at refuting evolution but fall for sumthin like the big bang theory cuz his Islamic knowledge isn't up to par

Diinta should be the focal point of any Muslim child's education, but when they're older, they should learn about other theories and their flaws so they can be aware.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

...and meanwhile Somalia continues its downward slide into the camel-herding abyss while wholly ignoring modern science and anything associated with it.

[Koronto91]

Monk,

How do you reconcile human evolution with Islam?

[yungnfresh]

and a followup question, if evolution is indeed a valid theory compatible with Islam, then how come it doesn't come up even once in the Qur'an? Surely, there would have been at least even a passing mention or reference to monkeys or a common ancestor that we evolved from right?

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Evolution and Islam don't contradict each other, depending on who the theorist is.

http://www.understanding-islam.com/rela ... on&qid=255

In your question, if 'evolution' implies that man is actually an evolved form of a certain other creature, then Islam does not affirm such a standpoint. According to the Qur'an, Adam (pbuh) - the first man - was a direct creation of God, as a man. The Qur'an does not support that Adam evolved from another species.

However, it may be of some interest to note that in Al-Sajadah 32: 7 - 9, the Qur'an has referred to three different stages involved in the creation of man in such words that a slightly varied version of 'evolution' may be derived from it. The Qur'an says:

He, Who perfected everything that He created - He started the creation of man from clay then he inculcated in him [i.e. man] the potential to reproduce through a drop of humble fluid then He embellished and fashioned him in due proportion; and breathed into him of His spirit and [thereby] developed in you [the abilities of] listening, vision and feeling.

Funny thing is, my entire love of evolution was inspired by an upcoming computer strategy game called "Spore." But I started believing in evolution in 2005 when the game was building hype.

This game starts a species in the bacterial/microbial stage (likewise in the Quranic statement above). Then we go into the process of moving this species from a body of water and into drier areas where he can be molded and his features can be defined. Then its off to the development of the mind and into the stage of human social development with the coming of a female (Hawa for example). These same steps that apply in this videogame apply to sperm/fetus development, and it relates to the Quranic verse above.

There is nothing contradictory about believing that men came from tiny bacteria/microbes (sperm for example) and later morphing into giant critters as we were carefully formed (by the hand of Allah). It doesn't matter how long it takes. Most scientists say roughly 4 billion years, but it takes sperm cells only months to turn into a fetus, so those "4 billion years" could've easily been just seconds.

Again, I want to re-emphasize that my take on evolution (everyone has their own approach) does NOT contradict Islam in ANY way or shape. And it still makes absolutely perfect sense in both basic logic and science.

[FAH1223]

Evolution and Islam don't contradict each other, depending on who the theorist is.

http://www.understanding-islam.com/rela ... on&qid=255

In your question, if 'evolution' implies that man is actually an evolved form of a certain other creature, then Islam does not affirm such a standpoint. According to the Qur'an, Adam (pbuh) - the first man - was a direct creation of God, as a man. The Qur'an does not support that Adam evolved from another species.

However, it may be of some interest to note that in Al-Sajadah 32: 7 - 9, the Qur'an has referred to three different stages involved in the creation of man in such words that a slightly varied version of 'evolution' may be derived from it. The Qur'an says:

He, Who perfected everything that He created - He started the creation of man from clay then he inculcated in him [i.e. man] the potential to reproduce through a drop of humble fluid then He embellished and fashioned him in due proportion; and breathed into him of His spirit and [thereby] developed in you [the abilities of] listening, vision and feeling.

Funny thing is, my entire love of evolution was inspired by an upcoming computer strategy game called "Spore." But I started believing in evolution in 2005 when the game was building hype.

This game starts a species in the bacterial/microbial stage (likewise in the Quranic statement above). Then we go into the process of moving this species from a body of water and into drier areas where he can be molded and his features can be defined. Then its off to the development of the mind and into the stage of human social development with the coming of a female (Hawa for example). These same steps that apply in this videogame apply to sperm/fetus development, and it relates to the Quranic verse above.

There is nothing contradictory about believing that men came from tiny bacteria/microbes (sperm for example) and later morphing into giant critters as we were carefully formed (by the hand of Allah). It doesn't matter how long it takes. Most scientists say roughly 4 billion years, but it takes sperm cells only months to turn into a fetus, so those "4 billion years" could've easily been just seconds.

Again, I want to re-emphasize that my take on evolution (everyone has their own approach) does NOT contradict Islam in ANY way or shape. And it still makes absolutely perfect sense in both basic logic and science.

well, thats what I always thought..

[Quadratic]

Monk, You have not provided evidence to your claim. Try again. The verses you quote and what the man says from understanding-islam website show no evidence to a man developing gradually from bacteria. You want to justify your opinion which is fine, but show us the evidence from islam supporting your claims.


FAH123, hold on to yuru stamp of approval, Monk hasn't provided anything credible with regards to evolution being supported by the Quran.

[FAH1223]

Monk, You have not provided evidence to your claim. Try again. The verses you quote and what the man says from understanding-islam website show no evidence to a man developing gradually from bacteria. You want to justify your opinion which is fine, but show us the evidence from islam supporting your claims.

He probably means man being created from a clot as Allah says in Surah Iqra

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Quadratic, as FAH said, my post was referring to the blood clot (hinjeel I think it was called) theory in the Quran, which you are well aware of. My post was mostly in reference to the correlation between sperm development and the original evolution theory of bacterial development and the Quranic relationship.

Regardless of this, there is another type of evolution that deals with climate/habitat adaptation that is currently taking place within all men. This would not traditionally qualify as evolution, but scientists are now calling it that.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ution.html

The Quran says that man was never evolved from a different species, which I can easily agree with since the monkey-to-human theory is heavily flawed (but doesn't exclude bacterial formation). However, the Quran never says that people CAN'T evolve from this stage.

Check the link, we are evolving every second.

[kadarre]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ution.html

Genome researchers at the University of Chicago have identified more than 700 regions in human DNA where apparently strong selection has occurred, driving the spread of genes linked to a broad range of characteristics.

Many of the genetic changes Pritchard's group detected came during or after the emergence of agriculture, beginning about 10,000 years ago, and long after the formation of modern human populations

Read both pages. Great stuff with SCIENTIFIC backing!

More to come!

Brother that only proves adaptation. Humans adapt to their enviroment. Blacks are more suited for hot climates while whites are better in colder climates.

They had thought whites had a bigger brain than the blacks but it proved to be false. The blacks closer to monkeys and that whites are more evolved and so on. Evolution is fake because their is no link between humans and monkeys except we are both Allah creation.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Blood clot/evolution correlation in the Quran:

"We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)."
[Holy Quran 23:12-14]

This implies that man started from clay (plus water - read below to understand), then into a blood-dependent leech type thing, then lastly a chewed-like substance called Mugdhah (another, larger bacteria species at this point I suppose).

Evolution = the development of bacteria into a larger species.

The funny thing is that, in evolution, everything from plants to whales to man came from the same single bacteria of the same substance. In the Quran, every organism comes directly from the same substance (water of the same exact contents).

Allah created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Allah has power over all things" (Quran, 24:45)

"and We made from water every living thing? So will they not believe?" (Quran, 21:30)

"And it is He Who created human beings from water and then gave them relations by blood and marriage. Your Lord is All-Powerful" (25:54)

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/medmirac ... leseng.htm

[Quadratic]

Monk, You have not provided evidence to your claim. Try again. The verses you quote and what the man says from understanding-islam website show no evidence to a man developing gradually from bacteria. You want to justify your opinion which is fine, but show us the evidence from islam supporting your claims.

He probably means man being created from a clot as Allah says in Surah Iqra

If that is the case and that was what monk meant to say, then that is part of the stages of human development. You can call it evolution but hardly anything Darwinian.



Monk-


There is no mention of other materials such as bacteria involved in the creation of Adam according to the Quran. The off-springs of Adam go through stages of development in the womb, from zygote to embryo to a fully developed baby, it is a process of development, no bacteria involved. I don't understand the bacteria connection but you can elaborate on that.

[Gacalisa]

I find now point in teaching a subject that we do not believe.

[Quadratic]

Another question for you brotherman(Monk), where have you read a bacteria evolving into a higher creature? If you can provide a link or a source showing such occurence.