Military topic of the Year ( PLAN 2009 Liberate Somalia )

[King-of-Awdal]

my msn is just for people i like.
i am not racist but i am darood and any one who insult them insulted me.
i curse out people who think they are xabashis or who curse at me.
i am somali then arab

So You dont like and u dont even know me. Dee if u never give someone a chance how do u know if u will like them or not.

So ur Half breed aka Somali and Arab, well than that should answer one of ur questions.There is no such thing called somali. 8)

MinionJSL

The only people who can help themselves are the folkz in Africa. Neither me or you can do anything for them. They are the ones living the reality on the ground and we people who when we heard a gun shot fly our passports and flee should not speak for them. Look who the warlords are right now. All of them came from abroad and their children are munching on KFC some where and they are destroying other peoples lifes. I say the real somalis who have an answer to their dilema are those on Somali soil.

[Abdi_Som]

i must say this is one of my favorite threads very very entertaining star stek stuff and i am about to get me some pop corn and read more 8)

[The_Patriot]

[quote="Grant"]I think it is possible to make the argument that Ethiopia got the Haud and Ogaden BECAUSE Ahmed Gurey's jihad demonstrated Ethiopia needed a buffer zone against just such punitive expeditions. 1977 reinforced that notion. Yet another such expedition is NOT going to strengthen Somalia's negotiating position, even if a Somali force takes and holds Addis.

It is clear to everyone that ethnic Somalis have traditional grazing rights to much of the Adal lowlands, as well as in Djibouti and the NFD. I, and many others who are aware of the situation on the ground, are sympathetic to the concept of Somaliweyn but feel the only way to achieve this is through UN or AU-brokered referendum.

What current interest can any of the outlying Somali populations have in joining a political and economic unit as disfunctional as that which has existed in the South at least since 1991? Militarism is the problem, not the solution.


In terms of the attitudes of those countries which are actually in a position to help Somalis, additional militarism is only going to be additionally counter-productive.[/quote]

Grant using Axmed Gurey is the most weekest point.
Axmed Gurey died in the 15th century. His history is well known as he was inspired just like the current somali state.
Growing up in his era, he experienced how Zeila was run by Ethiopian puppets and the influence they had on it. The Zeila sultanate was forced to pay an annual Tax to the Ethiopian king.
The Ethiopians had in the 13 century under Amdan Seyum burnt down the capital Zeila and reduced it to rabbles forcing people to flee whiel the remeinder were killed ruthlessly.

Axmed Gurey in the 15 th century refused to pay the annual tax and this made the Ethiopian emporor very angry that he sent an Army of 200,000 men to quell the rebellion.

Axmed became victorious in the Battle, hence he took the battle back to the heart of the oppressive regime axum.Did exactly what abysinians used to do to his beloved Adal state and especialy Zeila.

That was the End of the Ethiopian influence in the Somali coast.

In the 17 century most of the animosity had died and a natural buffer zone between Somalis and Ethiopians was created by the advancing Oromos.

In the mid 18th century when the European imperialists arrived they revived decade old animosity btw Abeshas and Somalis.
The Abeshas were armed to teeth by the west.

[The_Patriot]

At this juncture the Abeshas to justify their criminality started talking about Axmed gurey bearing in mind that they had killed him some 250 yrs ago.

They expanded South words while the somali seacoast was occupied by the french, Brits,Italians and the somalis were cut of from supplies. by 1890's Harar capital was ransacked and the Ethiopians brutaly killed and looted the people of course with the blessing of the colonial powers.

It was the Colonial powers that split somalis and gave a potion to the Ethiopians after they ensured that they had paralysed their peower.
When the Ogaden was handed to Ethiopia, The brits had already defeated Sayid Cabdille Xassan. The ethiopias were of corse given the duty to brutally oppress the Somali civilians as they had non to hepl them.

It was infact the international community that has destroyed Somalia,
How do you expect Somalis on 1/2 to be treated in an inhumanly way while the other to function as a Nation called Somalia?
In fact by splitting Somalis into 1/2 have infact had an impact on the power balance among them.
Grant could you please answer me?

[Grant]

Here is a new website dedicated to Ahmed Gragn that you may find interesting.

http://www.ahmedgurey.com/

His jihad was actually a proxy war between the Ottomans and the Portuquese, initiated by the Ottomans. He destroyed a lot of villages and churches, held nothing at all and was killed within five years. His widow and nephew held Harar and the Adal state for a period of time but Ottoman support evaporated and the highland emperiors eventually took control. Both sides were suported by foreigners. The Ottomans got all the Ethiopian loot. For the next extended period of time, the chief enemy of lthe Adal state was actually the pagan Oromos!

Note that the Sayid was actually killed by influenza and the Aweysiya. The Brits never got him.

In a strange sort of way, I do believe Gragn's campaign and MSBs were similar, even if so far apart in time. Certainly the results were the same.

[The_Patriot]

[quote="Grant"]Here is a new website dedicated to Ahmed Gragn that you may find interesting.

http://www.ahmedgurey.com/

His jihad was actually a proxy war between the Ottomans and the Portuquese, initiated by the Ottomans. He destroyed a lot of villages and churches, held nothing at all and was killed within five years. His widow and nephew held Harar and the Adal state for a period of time but Ottoman support evaporated and the highland emperiors eventually took control. Both sides were suported by foreigners. The Ottomans got all the Ethiopian loot. For the next extended period of time, the chief enemy of lthe Adal state was actually the pagan Oromos!

Note that the Sayid was actually killed by influenza and the Aweysiya. The Brits never got him.

In a strange sort of way, I do believe Gragn's campaign and MSBs were similar, even if so far apart in time. Certainly the results were the same.[/quote]

Grant why dont you go back 200 yrs before Axmed gurey and revisit what actualy had inspired him.
Thats the Era of Amda seyum.
I dont know how you interprete history.
but one thing for sure is you guys always come with jsutifications of Ethiopian oppression by sunig references of how we reacted to their brutality.
Do i need also to include MSB?

Using the Ottomans and portuguesse is irrelevant in this argument.

[Grant]

Not is you are going to claim the outcome was determined by outsiders, it isn't.

[The_Patriot]

[quote="Grant"]Not is you are going to claim the outcome was determined by outsiders, it isn't. [/quote]
Grant we well know what influence the Ethiopians to go to Mogadishu in 2006.
I know you will claim the 'Islamist' threat.

[gurey25]

Here is a new website dedicated to Ahmed Gragn that you may find interesting.

http://www.ahmedgurey.com/

His jihad was actually a proxy war between the Ottomans and the Portuquese, initiated by the Ottomans. He destroyed a lot of villages and churches, held nothing at all and was killed within five years. His widow and nephew held Harar and the Adal state for a period of time but Ottoman support evaporated and the highland emperiors eventually took control. Both sides were suported by foreigners. The Ottomans got all the Ethiopian loot. For the next extended period of time, the chief enemy of lthe Adal state was actually the pagan Oromos!

Note that the Sayid was actually killed by influenza and the Aweysiya. The Brits never got him.

In a strange sort of way, I do believe Gragn's campaign and MSBs were similar, even if so far apart in time. Certainly the results were the same.

This is a common view but you are not looking at the big picture.
go back to the 1490's just before Imaam ahmed was born and look at the political situation.

Several multiethnic and once presperous muslim sultanates were defeated and were in the process of bieng absorbed by the christians, shoa which was once more important than adal
was already halfway through christianization as it has been under christian conquest for 150 years before ahmed guyres birth.

Even Adal was a defeated , failed state and was paying tribute to the negus to avoid raids.
It was practically a sattelite. The sultan of the royal wali asmac family was at the time of ahmed gurey a puppet of the ethiopians along with his vizier. The sultan himself was corrupt and a drunk, this was in harar the city of siants a hunderd mosques.

Ahmed gurey came to power in a millitary coup, leading a revolutionarygroup of young adalis
who were motivated by jihad, and were disgusted by the situation.

Ahmed gurey came to power in a very weak state adal, that was under the political control of
Ethiopia, and he managed to mobilize all the muslims in the horn, trhough his charisma and
defeat the ethiopians through his genius.



no grant the situation does not look like MSB's time but more like today.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"][quote="BABYGIRL123"][quote="King-of-Awdal"]Some of yall have not been paying attention. Most of the Weapons for the Ethiopians no longer arrive from Djibouti but Berbera. As for attacking Dire Dawa you will need the support and consent of the local population and thats Us. 8) First instead of thinking about a war i say yall meet some where and first reconcile among urself and unite and than come up with a strategy than and after only than will we Djiboutians contribute to ur cause. All am saying is a divided society can not accomplish anything. You need unity and mutual understanding among urself.[/quote]

are you gedobursi? Yes
Are they somalis? Yes
Is awdal in somalia? Yes
is Borama in somalia? Yes
Are You Somali Or Xabashi????????????????[/quote]

1 Iam muslim First. 2nd Iam my parents Son. Third Does Somalia exsist in Reality or just a map. Fourth Borama is my ancestoral land just as the white man's Ancestoral land is in Europe. Last but not least am neither. Iam just me.

now ur turn.
1) When will you give us ur msn.

2) Why are u racist towards non daroods.

3) Why are u always cursing people out.

4) Are You Somali or an Arab.


MinionJSL. I dont speak for anyone but me. If and Borame people decide to host something it will be up to them. Reality is me and those people only share clan but we are technically from two different nations and not everyone in the same clan has to follow the same idelogy. Just look at me and Faqash Killer. we never seem to agree. [/quote]

true. but atleast we listen to each other. why you think cival war reached borame? because the ppl are beyond that. unity and strenght thats what we believe in.

[mwaura]

I can't remember ever seeing real research and scholarship like dedicated MBA grads on Snet. This issue is obviously extremely important and here is my 5 shs worth. You invaded Ogaden in 77 and if I'm not wrong,found yourselves right back where you started within 2 months-less 30 or 40% casualties. Honestly,if you insist on a military solution to your occupation by avenging and invading Addis,only my suggestion earlier makes sense. Otherwise its like somali_4life said:

I swear the chance that aliens exist is bigger than that somalis will unite and conquer Ethiopia.

[gemini07]

Somaliweyn,

What happened to your "Northeastern" traitor talk? Now you are trying to play this "We need to be friends to get rid of the enemy?"

Your enemy just might be someone's friend. Remember that.

i thought i was the only one who noticed this,INDHA'ADAKKA



mooryaantaan think they can use us

[mwaura]

Galia,even if you trip over 200+ATGMs at a garage sale, this move, motivated by waryaa wisdom,this would lead to the following scenario: You would be presenting the Amhara with your a ss,which they would take pleasure in dicing,slicing,mincing and handing back to you on a bed of injera.
Let this neurotic nightmare remain just that-a neurotic nightmare.