Al Shabaab, a force unseen in Somalia's modern history.

[Voltage]

With respect to objectivity, I must rewrite what I wrote and install "post-civil war" where I wrote "recent modern history".

[Captain24]

Let's not get carried away here people....

A collation of 400 armed can win a guerrilla war. Chinese communist MOA, who defeated the Chinese national army, Vietnamese guerrilla units who defeated the French and the Americans, and the Hizbullah who stood up against world's powerhouse Israel, are prime example of modern gorilla tussle with superior powers that ended up in the underdogs favor.

Al-shabab are waging a similar guerrilla war on the Ethiopians, but I can't compare them to those successful insurgents that defied the odds. I will be surprised if these Radicals win their tussle with the Ethiopians. They don't have direction, they don't have an ultimate goal, and critically the don't care who dies in the process.

Al-shabab are still a weak group in my book. Apart from usual cowardly acts of covering faces, assassinating low key officials and denoting bombs, they haven't managed to wag a bloody face to face confrontation with the TFG or their Ethiopian allies

Like I had said, I will give them credit the day they manage to defeat an enemy in the battleground without civilians nowhere near

[Alluring]

Some people act like critical thinkers, but yet find themselves subjective in nature. Al Shabaad are not strong, nor will they ever be. What they did was monopolize, they are friends with the Ethiopians, AU troops, etc. They have used their previous tactics of control/divide to get the little power they have now. But saying they are a "force unseen in Somalia's modern history, or post-modern" is hilarious at best.

You too, can do what they are doing. Just don't have morals, use religion as a tactic, and befriend your so-called enemies.

[Padishah]

What is this nonsense?

Examples of what they want:

1. Corporal punishments (i.e. chopping off heads, hands, etc) for criminals, violators, etc.

Punishments have nothing to do with Governance, but with criminal redress.

2. Modesty dress (i.e. hijab, niqab) for girls and women.

Again, what does this have to do with governance? Furthermore, what does your conception of the Shariah have to say about those women who refuse Hijab or Niqab?

3. No alcohol, illegal drugs (including khat), etc.

Again, what does this have to do with governance?

4. No TV programs & movies that contain immoral scenes (i.e. kissing, hugging between men and women, etc).

Again, what does this have to do with governance? Furthermore, who will determine what is immoral or moral.

5. Developing and manufacturing nuclear (similar or better) weapons for defense and deterrence.

Again, nothing do with governance. Moreover, I've not come across any mention of the permissibility of nuclear weapons, let alone incendiary bombs, in the Shariah.

6. Reliance on local (also within Muslim countries) production/manufacture of arms/weapons, goods, technology, etc instead of reliance on the West.

Again, nothing do with governance. Moreover, I've not come across any mention of where weapons and arms are to be sourced.

7. Charging the West the proper and fair price for valuable natural resources (i.e. charging crude oil at minimum +$200/barrel).

Again, nothing to do with governance. This is economic voodoo at its worst. What in the hell is a 'fair price', and how does one determine what constitutes a 'fair price'?


Anyone else wish to answer the question; what exactly do you mean by 'Shariah' in opposition to say 'Democracy', or 'Dictatorship', etc?

This is blasphemous!

In my book, modern Somalia includes only one contestant and that is the Revolutionary government of Siad Barre (AUN). Siad Barre built Somalia from scratch into Africa's most powerful country. It's scandalous to put these amateur wannabe Alshaydiins on the same pedestal as Somalia's greatest hero and his Revolution.

Doesn't this ever get old?

[AbuShabab]

Like I had said, I will give them credit the day they manage to defeat an enemy in the battleground without civilians nowhere near

The problem is, the enemy is holed in bases that are located near densely populated locations. If the enemy had those bases far from densely populated locations, Al-Shabaab will engage it in a conventional way.

[FAH1223]

uppp

[Voltage]

When they had honor fighting against Ethiopia. Before they refused to sit down and talk like the prophet did in the Treaty of Hudaybiyah against the Meccan mushriks. No, these guys had to refuse to sit down with a former friend of theirs and talk, even though Ethiopians had left and the entire Muslim world pleaded with them to at least talk.

What a big disappointment. Who would have thought mroe Somali people would be fleeing after the Ethiopians left than with the Ethiopians present.

[FAH1223]

When they had honor fighting against Ethiopia. Before they refused to sit down and talk like the prophet did in the Treaty of Hudaybiyah against the Meccan mushriks. No, these guys had to refuse to sit down with a former friend of theirs and talk, even though Ethiopians had and the entire Muslim world pleaded with them to at least talk.

What a big disappointment.

yep, i thought they'd be more reasonable as well

[nomadicwarlord]

Just think about it.

These guys control everything south of Gaalkacyo, drove the Ethiopians out of Beled-Weyne, have a tight grip on the Jubba Valley including Gedo region, are the ultimate force in Mogadishu, and have the balls and power to shut down Mogadishu International airport right under the combined noses of Ethiopia, TFG, and Ugandan-Amisom troops. They have control the control Kismaayo with an iron fist, are positioned as deep as Ceel-Waaq, Buulo-Burte, and Cadaado, and have still not been scratched by a multi-national effort aimed to get rid of them with thousands of foreign troops, massive intelligence gathering, and millions worth of arms bought just for use on them.

The wadaado are the single most powerful lobby group in the former Somali Democratic Republic and will be so ever since they crossed the absoloute threshold of 2006, when they swiftly expelled the infamours warlords of Mogadishu and seized everything from Gaalkacyo to Dhoobley.

Al Shabaab, a force unseen in Somalia's modern history.

And they know it, hence the unbridled confidence.

In the end, the brains of Al-Shabaab are the foreign generals. No moryaan is capable of that feat

[Ina Baxar]

Again like I have said it here many times , they can only gain traction where chaos reigns !
It is just unfortunate that the tribal structure in southern Somalia is so weak .
The true colors of this criminal syndicate have come out the day the Ethiopian left .
Al shabaab is driven by personal/tribal grievances .. they haven't really met their match yet .

[Keyse_0208]

Al Shabaab, a force unseen in Somalia's modern history.

of course they're an un-seen force cuz they hide in the crown like b'itches and blow themselfes up ..... thats why they are unseen.... but if they come out into the desert do u think they will even last 45 minutes with a Military like S/lands ----- Hell to the caano geel No



waxaasoo miidhan weeye , im just laughing at this dumb little nigga who blew up himself...

[ModerateMuslim]

UIC became separate from Al Shabaab when they jumped ship and crossed borders fleeing while today's Al Shabaab withdrew to the interior.

It is Al Shabaab which has brought honor on the name of the resistance.

tactical withdrawal and fleeing weren't the same thing yesterday but supposedly today they're the same thing. in fact, it - tactical withdrawal (instead of fleeing) - 'brought honor on the name of the resistance.' but today its the cowardice thing to do. lol.

[Voltage]

This is from

Oct 06, 2008

Ethiopia withdrew from Somalia in January2009

I said:

I supported the resistance against Ethiopia and after they left, my support for people fighting completely ended

Go wipe your buggers now.

[ModerateMuslim]

lol i don't give a shid about that....

but on every thread today you're there redundantly and persistently accusing al-shabab of cowardliness for doing the same thing that made the heroes in your eyes just last oct lol.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Somali-Star,

Voltage slipped ka qallee ninka.