The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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Ina Baxar wrote:
Moguul21 wrote:Meesha warka ha lacadeeyo, waan garaneynaa waxaaa sayidka loo caayayo sababtu waa Darood hero mooryaanta iyo iidoorka midna ma jecla halyeey darood, marka

Wixii daarood ah dhinac isgu beydha Vs. Wixii hawiye iyo isaaq ah dhinic isgu beydha

Let the war war start.
Wager , wixii idin la dagalamaa ba waa ku ceeboobaya ... adeer ha inoo yeedhan inaga , forum-baynu joogna e..haddad mad mullah difaacayso adiga ayay ju jirtay , haddad iska ooyayso na adiga ayay ku jirta ...ha inoo yeedhan se :lol:

Ninka forumka ugu da'da weyn oo calanka iidoor wata oo sayidka inkiraya waa layaqaan adeer maad seefta soo diyaarsatid?
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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FAH1223 wrote:
abdikarim86 wrote: lol, laakin i've noticed that who somalis dislike and like depends very much on their clan.
its kinda wierd to see people here praising sayid and siyaad, cus i always thought all somalis hated them

laakin snet has taught me otherwise :lol:
You've only hung around peeps from your clan nicca and the majority have one opinion :lol:

The Sayid did a lot of questionable things, but he did fight on principle and killed a lot of gaalo trying to change Somalis, had the British shook, thats why I can respect him even if he did attack just about every somali clan in the book and what not

lol he only killed one british officer called Colonel Richard Corfield and 50.000 somalis ,,haduu sidaasi national hero ku noqonaayo,,,

ceydiidba 18 american soldiers ayuu dilay asagana waa national hero
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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Moguul21 wrote:Meesha warka ha lacadeeyo, waan garaneynaa waxaaa sayidka loo caayayo sababtu waa Darood hero mooryaanta iyo iidoorka midna ma jecla halyeey darood, marka

Wixii daarood ah dhinac isgu beydha Vs. Wixii hawiye iyo isaaq ah dhinic isgu beydha

Let the war war start.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Funny guy.
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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diyeeshaha
hear hear :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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Okay..okay ..runta marka lagu hadlo .. dark side iyo BRIGHT side ba waa laha Sayid Cabdulle Xasan ..intaasan kaga baxay sheekadan... wakhti iyo taag na idin ma hayo maanta ciyaalow ..raali ahada
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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abakar20 wrote:The hidden version that also shapes the acts and personality of this leader entices our attention in order to treat history with its due balance of truth, regardless of its consequential dissatisfaction in certain quarters. Unlike the known religious leaders, Mohamed Abdulle Hassan’s followers mainly consisted of his own Ogaden sub-clan of the pseudo-nobility of the Darood clan. The method he used to employ to obtain support and followers remained incompatible with Islam because of the tools he applied; in that, Hallett asserts, “He resorted to the most ruthless methods,”47 because “members of the local Muslim establishment were outraged by his attacks…”48 as “…doubtful followers ran the risk of summary execution.”49 In another page about Mohamed Abdulle Hassan’s tyranny, Michael Tidy and Donald Leeming remark, “Muhammad again resorted to military activities against various Somali communities.”50

Among the discredibility in the mainstay of Sayid Mohamed’s theological profession (if it can be called so) is his announcement of being the Mahdi, a statement which no Islamic scholar in his right senses would ever dare say. He kept wandering and attacking communities in order to coerce them into his accompaniment. “The men were flogged until, sworn on the triple divorce oath [“xila-fur” in Somali], they agreed to obey him.”51 (Text in parentheses mine.) In dissonance with the behaviour requisite of an Islamic scholar, the Mad Mullah must have been a chronic liar and a slanderer of the highest proportion by claiming the possession of powers to turn the white infidels’ bullets to water.52

By reading Jardine, one may assume of exaggerations contradictory of this popular Somali character, but a variety of his poetry confirm the kind of heinous policy he engaged and the quality of tyranny he employed. The concealment of this reality about the man’s true life in the social history is an attestment of the military regime’s hypocritical attitude in dealing with the historiography of the country and its people.

To contribute to the thesis of the hidden picture of the Sayid, Professor Abdalla Omar Mansur cites a verse from a great Somali poet, Ali Dhuux, who looted camels and in defence referred that even a man regarded so ‘religious’ as Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan permitted and actually indulged in looting other people’s camels:

* Sayidkii wadaad oo dhan xiray, Waris xalaaleeye
Xaaraan haddu yahay Xula ma qaadeene
Xoolaha kaleetiyo isaga waaba kala xeere
Nin kastoo xadreeyaba wuu u xusual duubaaye
Haddaan xaajiyadu weerareyn xer uma duuleene.

…The Sayid, the wise one
Who knows more
than all other men religious in the land
did sanction Waris [camel] by force to take
Xula [camel] he won’t take
Should this act unlawful be
Laws superior camels govern
above other animals all
any preacher religious
camels to acquire desires
though pious pretends he to be
should Hajis ambitious
other men’s camels raided not
I, too, would have done the same.53

The likes of the above verses and other indecent activities of the Sayid in oral literature or in the traditions and the government’s super-humanization of the so-called hero Mohamed Abdulle Hassan, have annoyed a Jareer poet who was alternatively concerned about the top officials’ expropriation of Bantu farms in the riverine areas of Juba and Shabelle. He said:


* Tuugadii Tolkiina Taalaa u dhisteene,
Tacabkeeyi haleeyseen maxaa ka Tireen?54

Translation:
You erected monuments for (even) the looters among your kinship,
But what is the fate of my expropriated lifeline?

Another poet and a Jareer compatriot responded to him with a clear definition of the situation and the disparity between the Jareer and the Jileec:
* Tuugga reer Tolkiisaa Toowraadaan ka buuxo
Yaa ku Taagsaheey oo Tiir kuu naqahaayo?55


Translation:
The thug’s kinship dominate the ruling Supreme Revolutionary Council,
You (Jareer) don’t have a center-pole to lean on!

The revisionist scholarship acknowledges the insincerity of the ruling elite. One of such scholars is Mukhtar who wrote: “Historical sites were set up where there were no signs of history. Religious heroes were made up where the practice of Islam has been insignificant”.56 Citing Jama Mohamed, Professor Cassanelli enlightens, “The dervish wars and the dislocation of nomadic groups caused by them left a legacy of mistrust and bitterness which was typically preserved by clan poets in series or “cycles” of poems that kept these rivalries alive.”57 The Somalist scholar, in a further elucidation of the theme, writes, “For example, the mutual suspicion that has characterized relations between Isaq and Darood Somalis for most of this century almost certainly originated in the events of the dervish period.”58 Ascertaining the tyrannical leadership of Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan, Dualeh notes, “His religious movement became despotic. He would kill and loot the tribes that would not lend him support. The tribes in British Somaliland, with the support of the British authorities, took up arms against him. He was finally defeated”.59

In southern Somalia, many communities and pious religious personalities and sects (tariqas), particularly the Qadiriyya, know Mohamed Abdulle Hassan and his Dervish henchmen, notwithstanding the lavish decoration and monumentation, as unreligious villains operating under cover of Islam. Mohamed Adulle Hassan assigned a team of his Dervish for the assassination of Sheilk Uwees, one of the most celebrated religious leaders of the Jareer in Somalia in the famous rural town of Biyooleey. After the sad and cold blooded gangland style massacre, the Qadiriyya religious poets composed the following (dhikr) religious song in a couplet:


* Afaraay Ahaayeen Uweesaay dileen
Owliya Allaayaay ka Inkaar-sadeen.60

Translation:
Four they were who murdered (Sheikh) Uwees
And (as a result) Accumulated curses from all corners of the pious ones of God.

And the righteous of the Reewing, in whose territory the renowned Sheikh Uwees was killed, went in pursuit of the culprits as they recited:

* Ankaaraneegii Abdoow (Abdulle) Hassan Aragteey?
Usii Amuudee Illeey maddii Aragdo.61

Translation:
Who can tell me the whereabouts of the cursed Abdulle Hassan?
Death will be his fate upon my sight of him.

All these evidences from Somalis and non-Somalis, scholars and non-scholars, expose the quality and character of the man for whose aggrandizement so immaculate a monument was towered into the sky. The dubious military administration under the ideological tutelage of nomadic political doctrine deliberately forged a Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan hero-ization scheme in an agenda to exonerate him and his Dervish militia from the genocide they committed against innocent peoples of diverse Somali communities in the north as well as in the south.

The policy that Mohamed Abdulle Hassan exploited was his people’s desire for wealth in camel and for women because he preached, contrary to the sound teachings of Islam, the lawfulness in misappropriating the wives of the non-compliants to his way of life. Jardine confirms, “The wife of one of our Somali native officers was divorced from her husband by the Mullah and appropriated to his own harem.”62 His despotism disobeyed all Islamic and human boundaries that “Until they promised to obey him, the tribesmen found their property plundered, their women ravished.”63

By means of this coercive principle of raping and appropriating women, married and unmarried, without doubt, many a great number of unpropitious offsprings were conceived. As a result of this otherwise unbecoming sexual avarice, an undesirable lineage contamination (but nobody mentions) must have drastically spread across the sub-clans subjected to this punishment, a reason why the wounds and grudge will never be healed.

Abakar20

Extract from Mohamed A. Eno a FAILED attempt of PHD? THE HOMOGENEITY OF THE SOMALI PEOPLE: A STUDY OF THE SOMALI BANTU ETHNIC COMMUNITY?

http://www.stclements.edu/grad/gradeno.htm

Caku Soomaali, Wax kama fiirsadaan. A bunch of very emotional people!

The author isn't a big fan of "jileec" you and I, and Voltage. *Think! Read between the lines Abdulaahi/abakar20!

Extract from the author PHD papers

"Categorically, the Hawiye make a part of the Jileec Somalis. The widely believed traditions describe them as descendants of Hirab who is a brother of Darod. In unraveling through the lineage and genealogical patterns, which are large in number, it is really hard to select the authentic version among them, a concept that in itself narrows the reliability of any of them.

The four sub-clans of Abgaal, Murusade, Hawadle and Habar-Gidir mainly numerically dominate the Hawiya clan. In settlement, the Habar-Gidir share boundaries with elements of the Darod in the central region while their Hawiye brothers are towards the south. The Abgaal allegedly constitute the largest number and are found in several areas from somewhere in the proximity of the central towards regions in the south. The Hawadle are adjacent to the Habar-Gidir in the central part and share sections of the Shabelle River with the Reer Shabelle, Makanne and Reer Isse Jareer communities. The Murusade sub-clan’s settlement is subtle. Some of them live in parts in the central, others in the neighbourhood of Ethiopia, while more segments live in various regions in the south. The Murusade are said to be related to the Karanle Hawiye who settle in the proximity of Ethiopia, living with units of the Sheekhaal, also of the Hawiye.

Except the Habar-Gidir who depend on nomadic pastoralism, the other three sub-clans practise a mélange of pastoralism and farming, although certain units among them may engage in these modes separately according to their environment. Sometimes the mode of living depends squarely on the community that accepted them earlier as ‘Sheegad’ clients, like the Murusade in parts of the south as well as the Abgaal and Habar-Gidir who settled in locations away from their demarcated ethnic territories. Chapter Three will give some discussion about ‘Sheegad/Sheegato’ client phenomenon."

Voltage,

Stop the ranting. Chill and Cook yourself a nice Quullo. And read the whole PHD Degree Papers.
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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Jesteye, i've read his report on St Clements University, of course you can disagree with his views, but it does not mean it is all fabricated.
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Ina Baxar wrote:Okay..okay ..runta marka lagu hadlo .. dark side iyo BRIGHT side ba waa laha Sayid Cabdulle Xasan ..intaasan kaga baxay sheekadan... wakhti iyo taag na idin ma hayo maanta ciyaalow ..raali ahada
Inabaxar,

Maanta baad u honest saneyd intaan forumka kugu arkayey,


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mad mullah is only a hero to certian people.... they are the ones who shove his so called heriosm down other people's throat.... a hero and a religious leader does not steal camels from others :up:
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Cisse Westlake wrote:mad mullah is only a hero to certian people.... they are the ones who shove his so called heriosm down other people's throat.... a hero and a religious leader does not steal camels from others :up:

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abakar20 wrote:Jesteye, i've read his report on St Clements University, of course you can disagree with his views, but it does not mean it is all fabricated.
Siyad Mohamed did a lot of Unislamic things but, Siyad Mohamed achieved a lot for Somalis Militarily. Mater of fact, the man won a sovereignty for part of Somalia in his lifetime.
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without Qabil lenses

truth be told, he was indeed the father of pan Somalia and the leading anti-colonist in Somalia.... he holds great history and respect, God knows where we would be without people Like him and Mohamed Siyad Barre(aun)


looting and killings occurred mainly due to rivalry between the soldiers of different tribes who were part of the Darwiish, i dont blame Sayidka for the actions of mere foot soldiers who were recruited as there was an emergency, and we needed to defeat the bloody British before they enslaved more somalis like they enslaved the Isaaq tribe
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snoop12 wrote:without Qabil lenses

truth be told, he was indeed the father of pan Somalia and the leading anti-colonist in Somalia.... he holds great history and respect, God knows where we would be without people Like him and Mohamed Siyad Barre(aun)


looting and killings occurred mainly due to rivalry between the soldiers of different tribes who were part of the Darwiish, i dont blame Sayidka for the actions of mere foot soldiers who were recruited as there was an emergency, and we needed to defeat the bloody British before they enslaved more somalis like they enslaved the Isaaq tribe

the thing is mad mullah never defeated da british... he died hiding from dem and they left on their own accord... you just cant make up ur own history
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Re: The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

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The Sayid was not the only anti colonial
i used to think that were a lot of people
on here with good knowledge and didnt
have a clannish mentality but i guess.

voltage
the Sayid did a lot bad things
and only few good deeds.
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he made those silly cats leave by putting up resistance that was so powerful that even the british navy was ruined in the gulf/red sea, they had to use air strikes for the first time in Africa and probably Asia too, thank God you have brave people amongst you, silly iidor, otherwise you would be like Djibouti who just only built a University 2006 and who has the highest HIV rates amongst somalis :down:

i dont understand why you cant appreciate History and all the Great Heroes we produced, its sad really :|


Ahmed Gurey DAROOD

Sayidka DAROOD

MSB DAROOD

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