The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
very true, the Only leader who died along with his soldiers were Xaaji Suudi Shabeele an (Adan Madoobe)Leader who was there in tallex on that day, The Sayid were in Eyl somwehere!!!Grant wrote:Allah ha u naxariisto. And no insult intended.
Lakiinse, how did a six year old become a Darawiish? Also, if you have been to Tallex you know that the bombing was more psychological than extensive. There were supposed to have been something like five adult men present at Silsiilad when the Brits arrived. Sayidka was long gone......
After 89 years the forts are still in good condition and the living quarters at Falaad were never touched.
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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
The Genesis of the Somali Dervish movement
The Dervish Ideal is widely seen as nationalistic movement that sought to integrate Somalis and unite Somali territories into a single centralized administration. Although this nationalistic struggle had both its foibles and major victories, its credit and underlying “worthy causes” should not be dismissed away without a lucid understanding of its context. The Dervishes were practically indispenable in the early campaigns to liberate Somalia from both the Anglo-Ethiopian and the Anglo-Italian conspiracies by which our lands were surreptitiously divided and transferred. There are several books which discuss the relationship between Warsangeli and the Dervish ideals of a united Somali state. Among them are two books authored by Faarax MJ Cawl, including Garbaduubkii gumeysiga or the "Shackles of Colonialism" and "Ignorance is the enemy Of love." Andrzejewski, in his review of the latter book, writes,
"The plot unfolds against the background of Somali national history in the first quarter of this century, when members of a Muslim Brotherhood, who called themselves “Dervishes”, were fighting against the foreign powers which had partitioned the Somali territories, and against those of their compatriots who had accepted colonial rule. The struggle was led by Maxamed Cabdule Xasan (1898-1921), who was a Muslim revivalist reformed as well as a nationalist leader"
Dervish movement and Warsangeli sultanates
As usually presented by contemporary historians, the Warsangeli initially supported the Dervishes from 1899 until 1905. Later, the Warsangeli splintered into several strong factions, only one-third of which supported the reign of Sultan Mohamoud Ali Shire, who took over the sultanate from his ailing father and powerful Garad, Ali Shirreh. He was a Dervish himself but later turned against Sayid Mohammed because: "The two could not see eye to eye on many political, religious and social issues, and the Sultan fiercely defended the independence of his Sultanate against the incursions of the Dervish Movement." According to colonial files concerning the Sultan referred to in Ray Beachey's book The Warrior Mullah, the three major fronts of the Dervishes were the 1. Forces that concentrated with Sayid, Dhulbahente 2. Warsangeli, and 3. Ogaden (mainly Bahgeri) -- All from 1899-1905 -- the Dervishes had successive victories during these periods.
The Dervish movement also had a great deal of influence in central (Mudug) and southern Somalia (Jubaland). The joint resistance by the Aulihan (Ogaden) and the Marehan challenged the Italian and British administrations in Jubaland and Mudug.
Sultan Mohamoud Ali Shirreh
The Sultan was an amazing authority figure and a lot of people believed him to be some type of a saint. He survived many battles including the battle in which the Dervishes seized control of Las Qorey. He was said to have marched through the Dervish legion while wearing a white turban--in disguise of them, according to oral testimonies. The English at the time described him as a "Man of unusual influence", "A man of mercurial image" and "A man of unusual strength". [1] The Warsangeli sultanate had had no authority over all the clans of Warsangeli. Therefore they were split into three camps: The army of the Sultanate in Sanaag, Dervishes with strong bases in Badhan and Buraan, and the army of Gerad Dhahar in the Bari region. The man whom the English colony conspired to deport to Mombasa was Dhahar but he escaped and returned as a hero.(Ps. Beachey notes that a Warsangeli man escaped deportation to Mombasa who became a hero after he returned from escape. I figured it was Mohamoud Jarig as he was the commander chief of Gaadh haye army") [2]
According to the Somali author and historian Faarax MJ Cawl(1931-1991), the largest three army units of the Dervishes were divided into three major sections.
Maarraweyn
The largest unit assigned to Jidali and Xiis all the way to Burco. They were given those areas. Maarre is an etymology that stands for "those equipped with rifles"(Dhulbahante, mostly Mohamoud Gard,,and part of Warsenge;li Reer saalax .)
Indhobaddan
The second largest unit. This etymology stands for those with many eyes or "vigilant ones. They were assigned to Badhan, Laasqorey, Ceelaayo, Qaw and Boosaaso. They were 95% Warsangeli, mostly Dubeys, Bihi door, Reer saalax & Garabsare.
Garbo
Garbo is the third largest unit. Mostly Bahgeri, Farah Garad,(Adan Madoobe) Subclan if HabarJeclo and other clans. The etymology suggests "shoulders" or the backs of pack animals. They carried heavy equipment and large amount of booty. They were assigned to the Ethiopian border and Berbera. The Indhabaddan unit succeeded once in capturing the above towns but was defeated by the Sultan of Warsangeli and Boqor Cisman army with the help of Italy and Britain. Without the colonial support, they would not have been defeated. The interest of those sultanates was all about securing their dominion from any outside and direct rule, so they were content with the indirect rule of the colony. This Sayid opposed. [3]
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The Dervish Ideal is widely seen as nationalistic movement that sought to integrate Somalis and unite Somali territories into a single centralized administration. Although this nationalistic struggle had both its foibles and major victories, its credit and underlying “worthy causes” should not be dismissed away without a lucid understanding of its context. The Dervishes were practically indispenable in the early campaigns to liberate Somalia from both the Anglo-Ethiopian and the Anglo-Italian conspiracies by which our lands were surreptitiously divided and transferred. There are several books which discuss the relationship between Warsangeli and the Dervish ideals of a united Somali state. Among them are two books authored by Faarax MJ Cawl, including Garbaduubkii gumeysiga or the "Shackles of Colonialism" and "Ignorance is the enemy Of love." Andrzejewski, in his review of the latter book, writes,
"The plot unfolds against the background of Somali national history in the first quarter of this century, when members of a Muslim Brotherhood, who called themselves “Dervishes”, were fighting against the foreign powers which had partitioned the Somali territories, and against those of their compatriots who had accepted colonial rule. The struggle was led by Maxamed Cabdule Xasan (1898-1921), who was a Muslim revivalist reformed as well as a nationalist leader"
Dervish movement and Warsangeli sultanates
As usually presented by contemporary historians, the Warsangeli initially supported the Dervishes from 1899 until 1905. Later, the Warsangeli splintered into several strong factions, only one-third of which supported the reign of Sultan Mohamoud Ali Shire, who took over the sultanate from his ailing father and powerful Garad, Ali Shirreh. He was a Dervish himself but later turned against Sayid Mohammed because: "The two could not see eye to eye on many political, religious and social issues, and the Sultan fiercely defended the independence of his Sultanate against the incursions of the Dervish Movement." According to colonial files concerning the Sultan referred to in Ray Beachey's book The Warrior Mullah, the three major fronts of the Dervishes were the 1. Forces that concentrated with Sayid, Dhulbahente 2. Warsangeli, and 3. Ogaden (mainly Bahgeri) -- All from 1899-1905 -- the Dervishes had successive victories during these periods.
The Dervish movement also had a great deal of influence in central (Mudug) and southern Somalia (Jubaland). The joint resistance by the Aulihan (Ogaden) and the Marehan challenged the Italian and British administrations in Jubaland and Mudug.
Sultan Mohamoud Ali Shirreh
The Sultan was an amazing authority figure and a lot of people believed him to be some type of a saint. He survived many battles including the battle in which the Dervishes seized control of Las Qorey. He was said to have marched through the Dervish legion while wearing a white turban--in disguise of them, according to oral testimonies. The English at the time described him as a "Man of unusual influence", "A man of mercurial image" and "A man of unusual strength". [1] The Warsangeli sultanate had had no authority over all the clans of Warsangeli. Therefore they were split into three camps: The army of the Sultanate in Sanaag, Dervishes with strong bases in Badhan and Buraan, and the army of Gerad Dhahar in the Bari region. The man whom the English colony conspired to deport to Mombasa was Dhahar but he escaped and returned as a hero.(Ps. Beachey notes that a Warsangeli man escaped deportation to Mombasa who became a hero after he returned from escape. I figured it was Mohamoud Jarig as he was the commander chief of Gaadh haye army") [2]
According to the Somali author and historian Faarax MJ Cawl(1931-1991), the largest three army units of the Dervishes were divided into three major sections.
Maarraweyn
The largest unit assigned to Jidali and Xiis all the way to Burco. They were given those areas. Maarre is an etymology that stands for "those equipped with rifles"(Dhulbahante, mostly Mohamoud Gard,,and part of Warsenge;li Reer saalax .)
Indhobaddan
The second largest unit. This etymology stands for those with many eyes or "vigilant ones. They were assigned to Badhan, Laasqorey, Ceelaayo, Qaw and Boosaaso. They were 95% Warsangeli, mostly Dubeys, Bihi door, Reer saalax & Garabsare.
Garbo
Garbo is the third largest unit. Mostly Bahgeri, Farah Garad,(Adan Madoobe) Subclan if HabarJeclo and other clans. The etymology suggests "shoulders" or the backs of pack animals. They carried heavy equipment and large amount of booty. They were assigned to the Ethiopian border and Berbera. The Indhabaddan unit succeeded once in capturing the above towns but was defeated by the Sultan of Warsangeli and Boqor Cisman army with the help of Italy and Britain. Without the colonial support, they would not have been defeated. The interest of those sultanates was all about securing their dominion from any outside and direct rule, so they were content with the indirect rule of the colony. This Sayid opposed. [3]
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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
American-Suufi wrote:Ilaahey ha u naxariisto. amin
darwish were a bunch of murderers and camel snatcher/robbers who killed more somalis than the colonisers ever managed and led by an ogaden who had dulbahante nomads footsoldiers. lamagodley nomads r still fighting and stealing each others camels.







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Not interested in the topic itself (though may Allah forgive all our dead). But I am irritated again.
"The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin"
It is passed away and not past away.
"The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin"
It is passed away and not past away.
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Paddington Bear wrote:Not interested in the topic itself (though may Allah forgive all our dead). But I am irritated again.
"The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin"
It is passed away and not past away.
dadkany inay bukkaan waxad ku garanaysa miid ba leh ingreeskii ba lala dagaalamay ka kalle na wuxu leeyahay ilahay ha uu naxariista hasane wuxu leeya af ingreesiigii baad qalladay
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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
[quote="khalid ali"][quote="Paddington Bear"]Not interested in the topic itself (though may Allah forgive all our dead). But I am irritated again.
"The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin"
It is [color=#FF0000]passed away[/color] and not past away.[/quote]
dadkany inay bukkaan waxad ku garanaysa miid ba leh ingreeskii ba lala dagaalamay ka kalle na wuxu leeyahay ilahay ha uu naxariista hasane wuxu leeya af ingreesiigii baad qalladay
cajib
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loooooool
ka galee sxb
"The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin"
It is [color=#FF0000]passed away[/color] and not past away.[/quote]
dadkany inay bukkaan waxad ku garanaysa miid ba leh ingreeskii ba lala dagaalamay ka kalle na wuxu leeyahay ilahay ha uu naxariista hasane wuxu leeya af ingreesiigii baad qalladay
cajib

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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
babygirl- wrote:Grant wrote:Where is the Sarqaan Xaarplayer?? at least he lies & holds his ground these xoloos are reduced to calacaaling & washing the white guys ass!! (with his evidence from wikepedia)![]()
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Grant we came, we saw & we conquered!! now take your white ass out of here and stop on hating on the Darawiish, Kacaan, Sayid, Ahmed Gurey & anything Dooro..![]()
No matter if they were heros or not the day somalia was attacked and divided they stood up for it & died for it.. HEROS IN MY BOOK...![]()
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ALAAHU AKBAR...
BG,
You have me associated with a colonial past I simply don't belong to.
Alls well that ends well, which describes none of the heroic myths you mentioned. Resistance does not equal success, nor has it ever permanently profitted the Somali people. You make it sound like rebellion is an end in itself.![]()
Astute leaders and cooperative institutions would have accomplished much more for the Somali people than the militarists you mention.
Divided? Please tell me a time when Somalia was ever united?
This is all true. Institutions build people... resistance destroys institutions and the Somali civil war proves that
but...colonial resistance by any group is justified... and it was a sort of deterrence... the cost was high though... but it gave the Somalis that reputation of fearless, devoted fighters...but all Somalis weren't united against the colonizer be it Brit, Italian, French...whatever
btw Grant is American, they didn't colonize Africa or have much of a connection to it till they became the world power and neo-colonial power so to speak. lol
anyway AUN to the man who passed away
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Re: The Last Darwiish past away, Darwiish Jamac Biixi Kidin
Khalid, my friend, I have not read anything to do with the topic (hence why I said I was not interested). This is a simple correction to help my fellow 'fourmer'. Such errors are not acceptable from lowly students, never mind a professional.
Carry on...
Carry on...
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