Somalia: State of the Nation 1 January, 2010

[Ghazi]

One thing I will credit Shabab with is that they are very efficient killers who liquidate existing or perceived enemies immediately. Their discipline is amazing and so is their propaganda.

Jazakallahu Khairan.

[Voltage]

In that sense even the robot Somali-star is an individual.

You carry the distinction of being the most clan-minded on SNET as member’s opinions prove. Even within your own Darood clan, you are seen as a fringe element who strives to divide and cause more division within that said clan. Certainly, you continuous fights with members from the Puntland state are prove of that. You have even used religion to justify some very perverted arguments like your previous support for Al Shabab and other terrorist groups in Somalia. You continue to further some very annoying theories like Ahmed Gurey being Marehan and continue to even remotely criticize the late Somali dictator Mohamed Siyad Barre. You have refused to call Hiraale a warlord. In fact, your very avatar is rooted in can. Yet, you want to tell us that “do not look to my clan or anyone else for validation.”

Your arguments are very moronic indeed.

Disappointment is an understatement. I expected a better response than an old put together with Serena's troll obsession as its foundation.

Back to topic

But don't you think that a frame-work/roadmap needs to be created before there is an alternative to the current impasse? How does the lack of a "viable alternative" excuse or negate the inherent criminal and dangerous nature of Al Shabab?

Al Shabaab does not have the capacity and capability to true be "dangerous" at this moment. They do not have the strength to take over Mogadishu, they do not have the strength to bypass Ahlu Sunnah in the central areas, they cannot risk the chance of ever moving into the international sphere by infiltrating their elements into the neighboring states to do anything counter-productive.

Al Shabaab/Xisbul Islam are actually in an impasse right now and an entity in impasse is an entity that does not have the capability to be completely active.

Now while this impasse is going on, the people live in an environment where peace and security reigns. For a land that was 19 years in lawlessness, this is a welcome phanemenon. So what the TFG needs to do is actually provide that "freame-work/roadmap" while this impasse is going on.

But the question is can Sheikh Sharif do that and not a single fiber of my body tells me he can do it. The man is completely ineffective and ill-suited for his position. I saw it as soon as I gave him support when he started crisscrossing across Africa while opposition consolidated their control.

Foreign Policy had a great article on Somalia this week and said

If the TFG is overrun, it will not be Obama's fault, but rather because the TFG's new leadership dropped the ball and failed to build the necessary coalitions to outmaneuver a radical Islamist movement that appeared to be in deep trouble only six months ago.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... l?page=0,1

[Twisted_Logic]

A roadmap has to precede any "alternative." Hence, why it is important to defeat Al Shabab now instead of waiting it to grow bigger and more powerful. You want to put the genie back into the bottle when you are done using it, this is childish. There will be no happy ending to this.

I don't even see a roadmap. The TFG is the most incompetent thing on earth, and I am willing to bet a lot that many of those "TFG" are working for Aweys and Shabaab. What will defeat Shabaab? U can't rely on foreign forces and it doesn't look like anyone agrees on fighting them collectively. Remember odayaasha Hawiye saying Shariif cannot use his Abgaal to fight Shabaab.Yet they don't want to fight them.

Whats the roadmap? Cause honestly I see the TFG as the most incompetent entity on earth, if they looked somewhat functional they would get a lot more support but they aren't.

Again, the same problem. Who cares if this government is incompetent or weak? It is precisely at times when your government is weak that it needs your support. And, any force on earth should be used to obliterate this Al Shabab menace. They were defeated in Iraq and there is no reason why they can't be defeated in Somalia. It is just a matter of time.

You are grabbing onto any reason to justify your support for these maniacs. As always, you will fail. It is better to look at things holistically than bake some half-truths and shove it down on our throats as an honest sentiment.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Both you TL and Voltage should be put in the dock and charged, and members of SNET can interrogate you both..

What you say SNET V's Voltage, Twisted L?

[AbdiWahab252]

One thing I will credit Shabab with is that they are very efficient killers who liquidate existing or perceived enemies immediately. Their discipline is amazing and so is their propaganda.

Jazakallahu Khairan.

[Grunt]

One thing I will credit Shabab with is that they are very efficient killers who liquidate existing or perceived enemies immediately. Their discipline is amazing and so is their propaganda.

You're gravely mistaken. Al-Shabaab are too kind that they have let go (after warning them) those they captured multiple times. I remember they let go adeer Qeybdiid in 2006. Their kindness remind me of the great Muslim leader Salahudin al-Ayubi.

[Twisted_Logic]

In that sense even the robot Somali-star is an individual.

You carry the distinction of being the most clan-minded on SNET as member’s opinions prove. Even within your own Darood clan, you are seen as a fringe element who strives to divide and cause more division within that said clan. Certainly, you continuous fights with members from the Puntland state are prove of that. You have even used religion to justify some very perverted arguments like your previous support for Al Shabab and other terrorist groups in Somalia. You continue to further some very annoying theories like Ahmed Gurey being Marehan and continue to even remotely criticize the late Somali dictator Mohamed Siyad Barre. You have refused to call Hiraale a warlord. In fact, your very avatar is rooted in can. Yet, you want to tell us that “do not look to my clan or anyone else for validation.”

Your arguments are very moronic indeed.

Disappointment is an understatement. I expected a better response than an old put together with Serena's troll obsession as its foundation.

Back to topic

But don't you think that a frame-work/roadmap needs to be created before there is an alternative to the current impasse? How does the lack of a "viable alternative" excuse or negate the inherent criminal and dangerous nature of Al Shabab?

Al Shabaab does not have the capacity and capability to true be "dangerous" at this moment. They do not have the strength to take over Mogadishu, they do not have the strength to bypass Ahlu Sunnah in the central areas, they cannot risk the chance of ever moving into the international sphere by infiltrating their elements into the neighboring states to do anything counter-productive.

Al Shabaab/Xisbul Islam are actually in an impasse right now and an entity in impasse is an entity that does not have the capability to be completely active.

Now while this impasse is going on, the people live in an environment where peace and security reigns. For a land that was 19 years in lawlessness, this is a welcome phanemenon. So what the TFG needs to do is actually provide that "freame-work/roadmap" while this impasse is going on.

But the question is can Sheikh Sharif do that and not a single fiber of my body tells me he can do it. The man is completely ineffective and ill-suited for his position. I saw it as soon as I gave him support when he started crisscrossing across Africa while opposition consolidated their control.

Foreign Policy had a great article on Somalia this week and said

If the TFG is overrun, it will not be Obama's fault, but rather because the TFG's new leadership dropped the ball and failed to build the necessary coalitions to outmaneuver a radical Islamist movement that appeared to be in deep trouble only six months ago.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... l?page=0,1

Voltage,

The proof is in the budding. A quick survey on SNET will list you as the biggest clan-minded person on SNET. Just ask around

Al Shabab forcefully conscripts young boys to join their jihad, regularly flogs innocent people as a show of strength, imposes its draconian rules wherever they go; they have stated that they have trans-national aspirations on multiple occasions. They have displaced almost a million people and killed thousands more through their anarchist ideology. They have carried 3 high-profile suicide bombings within the last 12 months killing hundreds of innocent women and children, and have the capability to carry out similar operations in neighboring countries. How you can say that they are not dangerous is beyond me.

No-one ever doubted this government’s incompetence and Sharif’s lack of leadership; in fact, I was one of the first people to ring the alarm in March. This however, doesn’t make Al Shabab the angels you are making them to be and as I said earlier, it is precisely when your government is at its weakest that it needs your support.

[AbdiWahab252]

Grunt,

Who did ? He fought his way out, guns blazing

[Grunt]

Grunt,

Who did ? He fought his way out, guns blazing

They let him and many other warlords go, but I don't think they will show him kindness again. If he's smart, he would flee Somalia.

[AbdiWahab252]

Grunt,

Nope. Either Shabab wins and takes it all or the Forces of Light win & liquidate Shabab.

In the end, its a ZERO-SUM game.

[Grunt]

Grunt,

Nope. Either Shabab wins and takes it all or the Forces of Light win & liquidate Shabab.

In the end, its a ZERO-SUM game.

"In 2006, he fought with the Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism (ARPCT) against the Islamic Courts Union in the Second Battle of Mogadishu. They surrendered on 11 July 2006, the last Alliance forces to do so."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_Qeybdid

[AbdiWahab252]

Grunt,

Qeybdiid (Xafidullah) did NOT surrender himself. Do you think the Wadaads would have let him live ? They would have killed him. Even Sheik Sharif would have killed Qeybdiid but today, it is Qeybdiid's magnificence & strategic thinking that has allowed his former foes: Indocaade, Sheik Sharif to become dependent on him for their own well being.

Today he is back with more men, more equipment and more resources for Round 2.

[FAH1223]

FAH,

Go ahead and continue supporting Shabab When they hang your grandfather for being an associate of AY, don't come crying tears.

Thats low.

Anyway, he was in Somalia during the times of intense fighting of 07, and came out alright.

Atleast he can go anywhere he wants in the world and is a citizen of the grand ol' USA

[AbdiWahab252]

FAH,

Remember with Shabab, there is no such thing as reasonable doubt. It is off with your head on just a suspicion.

lol @ Citizen of the USA. All the more reason for them to be suspicious.

[FAH1223]

FAH,

Remember with Shabab, there is no such thing as reasonable doubt. It is off with your head on just a suspicion.

lol @ Citizen of the USA. All the more reason for them to be suspicious.

hes not even in SOmalia