Women cant work?

[ModerateMuslim]

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Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla [ to offer the prayer ] on 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you [ women ]." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you [ women ]. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man ?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

[sweeti]

Perhaps it's the truth in that statement which makes females so upset.

what kina of Jaahileya is this?

[Militant]

i hate to get into a discussion with the people of desire about an issue like this but....

men are preferred and given more virtue than women by allah.

Men are the custodians of women, because of what Allah has preferred (faddala) some of them over others and because of what they spend of their wealth [4:34]

allah does prefer some over others.

And Allah preferred (faddala) some of you over others in provision [16:71]

and we shouldn't desire what allah has given some over others (warning to the modernists and people of desire) .

Do not desire what Allah preferred (faddala) some of you over others with. For the men is a share of what they earned and for the women is a share of what they earned. Ask Allah of His bounty. Surely, Allah is knowledgeable of everything [4:32]

That's not what the verses say. Ask your local imaam for an explanation.

The 1st verse is easy to understand & re-affirms what I've already mentioned; men are the shepherds of their families & protectors of their women folk i.e. wives, sisters, daughters, etc. Men are custodians because men are able to earn.

The 2nd verse talks about Allah blessing some of his creatures with more bounty than others, no mention of gender.

The 3rd verse talks about not being envious of the bounties Allah has blessed with some people, but that both men & women will get what they earned.

If I'm not mistaken the last 2 verses came about after some Muslims complained to the Prophet (saw) that they did not have much wealth to spend on charity compared to wealthy people like Uthman & Abubakar who used to donate large sums of wealth to charity. Allahu aclam. There's actually a hadith about this incident & the Prophet (saw) advised them to say "Subhanallah, walhamdulilah, wa laa ilaaha ilaa lah, allahu akbar" and this will also be counted as charity for the poor Muslim.

[ModerateMuslim]

militant,

allah swt has preferred men over women with better IQ, strength, etc and more importantly, leadership, mastership and responsibility over them.

i'm done with this issue, insha'allah, but before that i'll post what the classic scholars have to say on this issue:

Allah, the Most High, says:

“The men have authority over the women due to the excellence which Allah has given to the man over the women, and due to the wealth that they spend upon them.”[1]

Ibn Katheer says,”The man is in charge (qayyim) of the woman, i.e. he is the one in-charge of her, her chief, the one having authority over her and the one who corrects her if she inclines away from what is correct.”[2]

Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sa’dee said (regarding the above mention Aayah). “That is due to the excellence of men over women, and the eminence which they have given over them. So the pre-eminence of the men over the women is from many aspects: holding positions of leadership and authority is particular to men, likewise Prophethood and Messengership. They are also particularized by many acts of worship such as jihaad, the eids and the Jum’ah prayers. Also due to the characteristics given to them by Allaah, the like of which are not possessed by women such as sound intellect, composure, patience and endurance.

Likewise they are particularized with having to spend upon their wives, and indeed spending in many ways which are particular to the men – which distinguish them from the women. So perhaps this is the reason for His saying: “…due to the wealth that they spend…” – and exactly what they spend is not stated to indicate that the spending referred to is general. So from all this is known that the man is like a governor and master for his wife, and she is with him like a captive. So his role is to take care of that which Allaah has placed him in-charge of, and her role is to be obedient to her Lord and to obey her husband.[3]

Al-Qaasimee said. “The men have authority (qawwaamoon) over the women”[4] – qawwaamoon is the plural of qawwaam. Qawwaam is the one who is responsible for taking care of their welfare, managing their affairs and disciplining them. That is, they are in-charge of and are to take care of all manners and behavior of the women; ordering them and forbidding them, just as the ruler is responsible for his subjects. This is due to two reasons: (i) Due to the nature, which Allaah gave them, and (ii) due to the role, which they carry out.

The first is indicated by the Sayings of Allah:

“Due to the excellence which Allaah has given to the man over the woman.”[5]

This refers to the relation between the men and the women, and means that the men have a position of dominance over them due to the superiority which Allaah has given to the men over the women.[6]

Allah, the Most High, says:

“Men have a degree over the women.”[7]

Ibn Katheer said, “Meaning: in excellence; in the nature given to them; in manneres; in status; in the obedience to then; in their spending and taking care of the (women’s) welfare; and in excellence in this life and Hereafter.”[8]

The Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.) said, “Every soul from the children of Aadam is a master; so the man is the master of his family, and the woman is the mistress of her household.”[9]

Allaah’s Messenger (S.A.W.) said, “If I were to order anyone to prostrate to other than Allaah, I would have ordered the woman to prostrate to her husband. By Him in whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, the woman will not fulfil the rights of her Lord until she fulfils the rights of her husband; and even if he were to request her for herself (i.e. to have intercourse with her) whilst she was sitting upon a camel’s saddle[10], she should not refse him.”[11]

[TrophY-WifeY-]

@ typical men

[Militant]

Somali-Star,

There's no mention of preference in anything you've mentioned. All that is mentioned is what is already known i.e. men are leaders & protectors of women because of some attributes Allah has bestowed on men including the ones you've mentioned. You're confusing preference with responsibility & leadership. Allah clearly says in the Qur'an those who are nearest to him & most preferred to him are al-mutaqeen including men & women.

Authority, responsibility, leadership, higher position in the home & in society, etc are all given to men. But in the eyes of Allah, we are all the same. Its very simple to understand. You didn't bring any proof that clearly says Allah prefers men to women. You've only taken different verses & a hadith that discuss what is already common knowledge. Islam is based on deeds & actions, not on gender. Those Allah prefers are those who obey his rules & follow him, not just because they happen to be men.

You should take the time to learn the deen, bro.

[Militant]

As for IQ, there's no scientific evidence which proves men are more intelligent than women. Its merely a speculation.

As a matter of fact in a study recently done. Men only use the logic part of their brain, while women use both logic & emotion in thinking. This obviously explains the choices women make compared to those men make. Women are more emotional, while men are more logical & precise. It doesn't mean either is more intelligent than the other, it varies from person to person. And it all depends on many factors e.g. education, social background, economical status, etc.

IQ is one of those tricky things sxb.

[Shirib]

CCL,

This story seems extremely fishy, but if its true, to answer ur question...In Beled Xawo they can't

[Paddington Bear]

I go by the news as it is reported and use my own common sense to work out if it could be true or not.

fair enough... but we'll stick with the sharia instead of 'common sense'.

But you've already agreed that women are not banned from working (in Islam).

Crazy Cat Lady » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:18 pm

PB hates women, so do al-Shabaab, I think that's the only reason he isn't completely against them.

Don't speak for me, woman. I actually love women. I adore women. I spent a life time chasing women. Me and women are sometimes like this:

** crosses fingers**

I do not support Al Shabab. I think they mean well but are mostly wrong in the way they conduct themselves and the crazy ideas of Islam that they believe in. I am not a student, CCL. I am a grown up.

[Spursman]

If Alshabaab & their friends were on the right path, why are they so weak? Why do they run from the enemy if Allah is on their side? [quote][/quote]

Thats so true and what i was thinking militant.

[Paddington Bear]

If Alshabaab & their friends were on the right path, why are they so weak? Why do they run from the enemy if Allah is on their side?

Thats so true and what i was thinking militant.

How does Allah's support manifest itself here? Flying pigeons dropping some hot lava on the Xabash soldiers per chance?

The question (you agreed with) is nonsensical. The prophet (and many other prophets before him) was on the right path and was (initially) weak. He was asked the same question by the Jaahil's of Qureesh at the time. It's a redundant question.

One does not and cannot know Allah’s wisdom here, never mind trying to imply the lack of his support. Better not go down that path, people.

As for Al Shabab, you would do much better to question their conduct, the way the scholars disown them and their strange lust for blood...

[muslim-man]

Interesting topic. Do continue pliz. especialy the last three posters

It's obvious ccl has big issues with alshabab or probably with beardos in general and is using alshabab as shield to hide behind

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Interesting topic. Do continue pliz. especialy the last three posters

It's obvious ccl has big issues with alshabab or probably with beardos in general and is using alshabab as shield to hide behind

I have no beef with beirdos, as long as they back up facial hair with proper islamic principles

[Spursman]

Crazy Cat Lady why do you act so white horta? caadi iska dig.