Stoning to Death

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let me ignore your side comments about your first part.lol

no one is saying bikhari, muslims, nawawi etc are infaillable.
even the Imams of the madhabs say not to follow specific fatwas if they are found to contradict basic teachings.

but what im agaist it , to set one's own intellect as some thing above scholary opinion or sahih ahadeths. that makes islam nothing more than a of fashion or new age belief where you do what you interpret to be right for yourself.

There is ambiguity and that is why there are tones upon tines fiqh books written on the subject throughout our 1400+ year history.

the prophet was ordered to make things clear for us by example. if you want regect it becasuye doesnt make sense to you or you doubt the men who indicated their whole life to deliever islam to us , then you're acting out of pride.

we have hadeth science that teaches 4 years degree for reason. it was filters numours t imes to make sure chains are correct.

im not asking you to not thinks and just follow but to do that you need to study it before you correct scholars. means beat them with knowledge.

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

allah said on hes holy quran

Surah An-Nur, verse 2, it says,” The woman and man guilty of adultery or fornication-flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the last day: and let a party of believers witness their punishment”.

then if you come up whit hadiith which contradics what allah said, so that hadiith is absolutly a false one.

even people who claime quran says stone people for zinaa they make up and try even change quran and claime there were forgeten verse aayah about stoning

allah does not forget. subxaana wataacaala and quran is 1000% complete. there were never a forgeten stoning aayah.

stoning is from bibel not from quran-. we have to fellow quran and those hadiiths which are not contradicting quran

OKAY, Hada runta rabti, LET US BRING THE ARABIC, not the english text!

No where does it mention the term, ADULTERY. So marka in this ayah it is speaking about those that are not married! OKAY, and the Hadith, further explains the rule which is applied to those that ARE MARRIED, and they are to be stoned. Marka, tell me how does this contradict the Qur'an?

Just like you said you take HADITHS that do not contradict the Qur'an, like the one about the Salah. I'm saying that whole verse was ONLY refering to NON-Married individuals, and the hadith refers to those that ARE married.

As you know we are not told how to pray in the Qur'an we get that from the Hadith. HOW COME SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT as the Salah IS NOT MENETIONED? These are your arguments. This is the second pillar of Islam, there is nothing more important than it after the Shahada.

So, to those that reject that particular hadith, what say you now?

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

MR Yungfresh...do not misquote me...when did I say the Quran said to follow the Quran alone? You made an entire post refuting something which I do not even deny?

Where did I misquote you? If I misunderstood what you were saying and responded to what I thought you were saying, then my mistake, I didn't mean to take your arguments out of context or anything because there's no benefit for me in doing that. Maybe I misunderstood you, or maybe you misunderstood me and why I felt my reply was relevant to what you were saying...if you can clarify why you feel I misquoted you, I can clarify what I meant by it.

As for your statement about certain people having the inability to comprehend the slightest iota of independant thought, that's where the problem lies. There is no such thing as "independent thought" about matters concerning the religion. We're asked to use independent thought to ponder on the acceptance of Islam, but once we accept it, we follow our scholars, who followed their scholars, who followed students of the Sahaba (RA), who followed the Sahaba (RA), who followed the Prophet (SAW) who ultimately followed Allah SWT. Our independent thought is imperfect, Islam is perfect and so we risk making Islam imperfect by interpreting it ourselves with our imperfect logic.

"It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." (Al-Ahzab 33:36)

[Shirib]

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No there isn't. But the Quran also says kill the kuffar where ever u see them, why are we not doing that?

where is in the quran which says kill every kuffar you see?? where is that?

there is no such versus which says we have to kill non muslims???

Eat ur words buddy,

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. (Surah 9:29)

"O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness, and know that Allah is with the godfearing." (Sura 9.123)

[Foxy22]

You are back!!! Good to see you walaalkeey

[gedo_gurl]

Yungfresh...The misunderstanding was that, you made a post trying to convince me, using the Quran.. that the Sunnah is waajib in understanding the Quran. I do not dispute that at all, Im merely saying that hadiths which contradict or add laws to the Quran are challenging the fact that if Allah wanted to add "and then stone them to death if..." then he would have done so. To use a hadith to add to the Quran something which was not ordained therein is itself an act of defiance against Allah. Clarifying that which is already stated, and adding to that which has been made clear are two different things.

The Ayah is clearly stating that one cannot say "I see that this is what is in the diin, but I wont follow it because I dont want to..or I choose not to". It is like me saying that I dont want to pray, or I want to eat pork because thats what my ancestors did, or that I will show my cawra to my cousins because they are like my brothers etc...unless you understand it in another way. This is very different to arguing against an order which has been omitted from the Quran...which is the same as saying that Allah forgot so we need to ask these people to add it. The Quran is the principle guide, the hadith are the example of how to follow it.

With regards to independant thought, I agree that there is room for human error in my thoughts, but with this topic in particular, there is an order from Allah saying one thing, and hadiths saying something else...It is not very difficult to come to a conclusion about that considering the fact that Allah swt clearly states that he has mentioned everything in his book...Are we to ignore the Ayah and follow the scholars? I will 100% go back on this and change my mind if you bring an Ayah explaining that hadith can override what has been said in the Quran.

[Shirib]

The Prophet s.a.w stoned a woman to death. This is a historic fact of life, he did indeed stone a woman to death, that being said, those who are saying that stoning is not a part of the religion and are even going as far as saying it contradicts the religion are u guys saying that the Prophet s.a.w was wrong? That he killed a woman for no reason?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

[OKAY, Hada runta rabti, LET US BRING THE ARABIC, not the english text!

No where does it mention the term, ADULTERY. So marka in this ayah it is speaking about those that are not married! OKAY, and the Hadith, further explains the rule which is applied to those that ARE MARRIED, and they are to be stoned. Marka, tell me how does this contradict the Qur'an?

Just like you said you take HADITHS that do not contradict the Qur'an, like the one about the Salah. I'm saying that whole verse was ONLY refering to NON-Married individuals, and the hadith refers to those that ARE married.

As you know we are not told how to pray in the Qur'an we get that from the Hadith. HOW COME SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT as the Salah IS NOT MENETIONED? These are your arguments. This is the second pillar of Islam, there is nothing more important than it after the Shahada.

OK lets bring the arabic one

in arabic word of ( ZAANII) It come from word(zinnaaa) ZINA means

Zina (Arabic: الزنا‎ ) in Islam is extramarital sex and premarital sex

af soomaaali.
ZINA= galmo aan sharci aheeyn ee dhex marta nin iyo naag aan is qabin ama aan isku nikaaxsaneyn. galmadaas labada qafood ee sameeyneysa waxay ahaan karaa dad guur hore u soo marey ama dad aan waligood guursan.

ZINA= MEANS both extramarital sex AND EVEN premarital sex[/b.]

1:-extramarital sex= occurs when a married person engages in sexual activity with someone other than their marriage partner.
2:-premarital sex= is sexual intercourse engaged in by persons who are unmarried. It is generally used in reference to individuals who are presumed not yet of marriageable age, or between adults who will presumably marry eventually, but who are engaging in sexual activity prior to marriage.

ZINAA means galmo dhex marta 2 qafood adult ah kuwaasoo aan isku nikaaxsaneyn, and it does not matter wather they are married or not. thats arabic meaning of word ZINA AF SOOMAALI(MACSI)

so the aayah from suuratul NUUR goes like this.



( AL- ZAANIYATU=naagta galmada sharcidarada sameeysa)
(WAL-ZAANII=NIN-ka Galmada sharci darada sameeya)= AAYADA WAA isku qabatey FEMALE AND MALE( AAYADA ma kala saarin married or not)


there is other similar versus in quran like( AL- MUUMINUUNA= RAGGA RUMEEYEY)( WAL MUUMINAAATI=DUMARKA RUMEEYEY) AF CARABI ahaan waa exactly same garaamaatik ahaaan isku mid ( al zaaaniyatu WAL ZAANIYA)
aaayada waa sii socotaaa.

(fajlidu kulu waaxidu minhumaaa mi'atta jaldatin=karbaash ku dhufta labadooda si kala gaar ah midkiiba 100 karbaash)

aayada waa sii socotaaa. laakiin mar kale si fiican u akhri si cad aan qarsooneyn ayuu ALLAH u yiri 100 karbaash. allah marnaba ma oran kill them. 100 KARBAASH is not = STONE THEM TO DEATH. you seee its 2 tottaly different thinks.


english translation are 100% exactly the arabic origine of quran. it says exactly what quran said whichs punis hthem those who commit adultry, wether they are married or not wather they are Fat or not, wether ever they are if they commit zinaa then allah punishment is not killing them, its just give them 100 lashes thats what allah said.

idea: As you know we are not told how to pray in the Qur'an we get that from the Hadith. HOW COME SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT as the Salah IS NOT MENETIONED? These are your arguments. This is the second pillar of Islam, there is nothing more important than it after the Shahada.

Yes quran it mentioned the important of SALAH.

Allah said on quran

The believers, men and women, are protecting friends of one another; they enjoin good and forbid evil, and they establish Salah, and give Zakah, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have His Mercy on them, and surely, Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (9: 71)

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

Oh ye who believe! Seek help with perseverance and prayer: for God is with those who patiently persevere (11:153)

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

Truly, those who believe and do righteous deeds, and perform Salah, and give Zakah, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (2:277)

SO quran is mentioned blenty of time about importance of salaah. and if you come whit hadiith which explains how you should make your salaah then that hadiith is legitimite hadiith becouse it explains just what quran said already whichs SALAADA DUKADA. then if you come up whit hadiith which condtradicts the quran which says NO PEOPLE YOU DONT NEED TO PRAY, THEN that hadiith like one who condtradics what allah said on SURA NUUR. THAT HADIITH BECOMES FALSE ONE.

AGAINS SISTER you can not compare HADIITH which explains WHAT its already in quran like SALAAH AND HAJJ and condtradicting hadiith of what allah said in quran whichs give them 100 lashes for zinaa AND YOU COME UP TOTTALY DIFFERENT PUNISHMENT FROM THE BIBEL WHICHS SAYS KILL THEM MOST BARBARIC WAY EVER WHICHS STONE THEM TO DEATH then your out of line walaahi.

stoning for adultry and giving 100 lashes?? ITS ABSOLUTLY 2 DIFFERENT THINK. meel ay isaga dhaw yihiin xitaa maaha.

idea: As you know we are not told how to pray in the Qur'an we get that from the Hadith. HOW COME SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT as the Salah IS NOT MENETIONED? These are your arguments. This is the second pillar of Islam, there is nothing more important than it after the Shahada.

Yes quran it mentioned the important of SALAH.

Allah said on quran

The believers, men and women, are protecting friends of one another; they enjoin good and forbid evil, and they establish Salah, and give Zakah, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have His Mercy on them, and surely, Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (9: 71)

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

Oh ye who believe! Seek help with perseverance and prayer: for God is with those who patiently persevere (11:153)

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

Truly, those who believe and do righteous deeds, and perform Salah, and give Zakah, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (2:277)

SO quran is mentioned plenty of times about importance of salaah. and if you come whit hadiith which explains how you should make your salaah then that hadiith is legitemite hadiith becouse it explains just what quran said already whichs SALAADA DUKADA. then if you come up whit hadiith which condtradicts the quran which says NO PEOPLE YOU DONT NEED TO PRAY, THEN that hadiith like one who condtradics what allah said on SURA NUUR. THAT HADIITH BECOMES FALSE ONE.

AGAINS SISTER you can not compare HADIITH which explains WHAT its already in quran like SALAAH AND HAJJ and hadiith which condtradicts what allah said whichs give them 100 lashes for zinaa AND YOU COME UP TOTTALY DIFFERENT PUNISHMENT FROM THE BIBEL WHICHS SAYS KILL THEM MOST BARBARIC WAY EVER WHICHS STONE THEM TO DEATH then your out of line walaahi.

MARKA hadiithka salaada sharaxaya sida loo dukado kama hor imaanaya quraanka taasoo ah quraanku wuxuu lee yahay dukada hadiithkana 5 salaad dukada.
laakiiin suuratul nuur wuxuu allah quraankiisa si cad aan ganganbasho laheeyn ku yiri ninkii iyo naagtii zineysta 100 karbaash ku dhufta.
marka haddii aad la timaado hadiith oranaya wax aan aheeyn quraanka ee ah waa inaad DHAGAX KU dishaan, marka hadiithkaas maaha xadiith saxiix ah waa mid been abuur ah.

waxaa ka soo yaab baddan WARSAN dadka difaaaca STONING TO DEATH xitaa waxay isku dayeeen inay QURAANKA wax ku darsadaan oo ay yiraahdaan AAYAD QURAAN ah loo sheegeysay RAJMIGA la ilaawey ayaa jirta.

DALIISHOODANA waa XADIITH kaasoo oranaya( CUMAR BINU KHADAAB(rc) AYAAA yiri aayadii RAJMIGA anagaa joogney markeey soo dageysay ANAGAA XAFIDNEY.
taas micnaheedu waa QURAANKA kaamil maaha oo waxbaa laga ilaawey. taasoo ah been abuur quraaanka waa 100% kaamil waxba lagama ilaawin.

AAYADA ay isku dayeeen inay quraaanka ku darsadaan waa sidan


qoraaalkan been abuurka ah ayey yiraahdeen waa QURAAN laga ilaawey quraan allah.

taasoo ah been abuur cad waayo allah ayaa yiri quraanka waaa KAAMIL wax laga ilaawey ma jirto

arintan beenteey haddii aad moodid dhageyso sheekh umul tafsiirkiisa suuratul nuur WUXUU oranayaa AAYAD RAJMIGA WAA JIRTEY cumar binu khadaab RC ayaaa xafidey daliishiisana waa hadiith again.
laakiin wxuuu iska indho tirayaa allah inuu yiri.

"This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam." (Quran, Surah [5:3])

MARKAsupporters of stoning people to death WAXOODA xitaaa hadiith maaha QURAANKA ayey isku dayayaan inay CORRUPT gareeyaan oo yiraahdaan AAYAD AYAA LAGA ILAAWEY, subxaana allah subxaana allah. allah wax ma ilaawo.

[ModerateMuslim]

these are strange times. now even the sunnah - which is revelation from allah, and which he swt has promised, along with the quran, to protect and preserve, and which has reached us the same way as the quran has reached us, through the sahaba and the ulama - is in doubt and disputed. wow. whats next? rejecting the quran itself (although those who've rejected the sunnah have in actuality also rejected the quran)? because the same satanic arguments they use to reject the sunnah can also be used against the quran.

but reality is, the sunnah rawafeed are bunch of fools, who, by rejecting the sunnah, have in fact rejected islam: "And who turns away from the Millah of Ibraheem (i.e. Tawheed) except him who befools himself?"

as for the faithful followers of both the quran AND sunnah, i.e. islam - who've become the strangers and victims of these strange times - these are words of solace for them - from their imam, the prophet (saw), whose sunnah they still hold onto: "Islaam began as something strange and it will revert to how it began as something strange. So glad tidings of Paradise to the strangers" [Muslim]

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Yalaxow copping and pasting from well known anti islam webside called: anwering islam.org

here page he coppied from obove:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Mi ... oning.html

[ModerateMuslim]

no surprise there, i.e. dr dameer using christian sources meant to defame islam to defame the sunnah.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

these are strange times. now even the sunnah - which is revelation from allah, and which he swt has promised, along with the quran, to protect and preserve, and which has reached us the same way as the quran has reached us, through the sahaba and the ulama - is in doubt and disputed. wow. whats next? rejecting the quran itself (although those who've rejected the sunnah have in actuality also rejected the quran)? because the same satanic arguments they use to reject the sunnah can also be used against the quran.

but reality is, the sunnah rawafeed are bunch of fools, who, by rejecting the sunnah, have in fact rejected islam: "And who turns away from the Millah of Ibraheem (i.e. Tawheed) except him who befools himself?"

as for the faithful followers of both the quran AND sunnah, i.e. islam - who've become the strangers and victims of these strange times - these are words of solace for them from their imam, the prophet (saw), whose sunnah they still hold onto: "Islaam began as something strange and it will revert to how it began as something strange. So glad tidings of Paradise to the strangers" [Muslim]

QURAN is the revelation of allah. and hadiiths are very imporant part of islam BUT UNfortunatly there i lot hadiiths whichs so called( not-sahiih) whichs means they are false hadiiths. BUT FORTUNATLY quran is 100% pure and true.
even though some of you wahaabis tried to corrupt quran like this fake ARABIC scripter WHICH some of wahaabis cliam its FORGETEN AAYAH. which they it sapouse to be RAJM( STONING FORGETED


EVEN YOU people its not only contradicting axaadiiths you even come whit whole new( SO CALLED AYAH) WHICH MEANS you wahaabi scholars are trying to corrupt quran.

ALLAH SAID quran is 100% compelete. there were never a singel XARAF xitaa laga ilaawey quraanka iska daa aayad dhan.

xitaa bal dhageysta sheekh umul fasirkiisa suuuratul NUUR wuxuu oranayaa aayad cumar binu khadaab xafidey oo quraanka lagu darin ayaa jirta subxaana allah.
BECOUSE he sees SUURATUL NUUR ALLAH SAID 100 LASHES for adultry and not kill them. si uu been abuurka u so faafiyaaan AAYAD HOR LEH been ah ayey la yimaadeen


DAD INDHOOLAYAAL ayaa tihiin taliban kid. quraanka alle wax laga ilaawey ma jirto.

[ModerateMuslim]

dr dameer,

so the sunnah isn't revelation of allah? if so, where does it come from? and whom was the quran reveled to?

also, what makes the quran '100% pure and true', and not the sunnah? do you even know the meaning of the sunnah, dr DAMEER?


in all seriousness, u is a joke.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Yalaxow copping and pasting from well known anti islam webside called: anwering islam.org

here page he coppied from obove:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Mi ... oning.html

go to any somali webside and listen sh umul and mny saudi educated scholars.
dhageyso suuratul nuur fasiraada uu umul ka bixiyey wuxuu yiri again using another hadiith he claimes THERE WERE FORGETEN AAYAH IN QURAN



asheyqatu wa sheyqata WAX sidaa oo kale ah been abuur la soo dhoob dhoobey.

halka uu allah quraankiisa ku yiri.
"This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam." (Quran, Surah [5:3])

quraanka wa kaamil XAQIIQDII waxaaa christaaan u dhaw dadka soo qaadanaya BIBELKA waxa ku qoran ee ah STONING FOR ADULTRY
KUWAASOO doonaya CHRISTAAANKA BIBELKOODA inay islaam ka dhigaaan.

STONING is not in the quran. and you will never find it one.
BUT you can STEAL it from buuga kufaarta gaalada shayadiinta kiristaanka and claime it its in QURAN.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

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No there isn't. But the Quran also says kill the kuffar where ever u see them, why are we not doing that?

where is in the quran which says kill every kuffar you see?? where is that?

there is no such versus which says we have to kill non muslims???

Eat ur words buddy,

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. (Surah 9:29)

"O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness, and know that Allah is with the godfearing." (Sura 9.123)

you said( THERE is verses in quran which says( kill them(gaalada) and you come up whit (figtht those who do not beliave in allah)

FIGTHE does not mean kill. FIGTHE MEANS some one is agains you and that person is ready to fight like 2 men who are boxing, they are fighting agains eachother

BUT KILL them means JUST kill them even if he is not fighting agains you. even if shes OLD 90 YEARS women. JUST MURDER THEM.
so marka waad aragtaaa inaad qaldan tahay QURAN NEVER SAYS KILL them. IT SAYS FIGHT agians those gaaalo who are fighting agains you. thats all. WAA LABA ARIN kala duwan FIGHT and KILL them.

DIL iyo la dagaalan waa laba sheey oo kala duwan. sxb