Islamic World's Most Powerful Military

[Murax]

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Well When You look at the low militiary standards in the Middle East, I guess its a backhanded compliment


Really though the Middle East Militairy readiness plans consists of outsourcing it to the US and having them protect them from any and all aggressors. I can't imagine How they can have such enormous amounts of money and such little growth miltairly to show for it. As it stands the entire Gulf leaders are losing sleep having nightmares about Iran, and while Iran is well behind nations like Pakistan, Turkey I truly think they can conquere the whole Gulf in very limited time.

To be honest Egypt is not bad at all, and I think they probably have the best overall Army in the Middle East even more than Iran. I'm not sure about Egypt's weaponry being state of the Art, but they are very well trained. After Egypt's peace deal with Israel, Israel never worried about Arabs again

Btw, what do u think about Syria?

[Twisted_Logic]

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Well When You look at the low militiary standards in the Middle East, I guess its a backhanded compliment


Really though the Middle East Militairy readiness plans consists of outsourcing it to the US and having them protect them from any and all aggressors. I can't imagine How they can have such enormous amounts of money and such little growth miltairly to show for it. As it stands the entire Gulf leaders are losing sleep having nightmares about Iran, and while Iran is well behind nations like Pakistan, Turkey I truly think they can conquere the whole Gulf in very limited time.

To be honest Egypt is not bad at all, and I think they probably have the best overall Army in the Middle East even more than Iran. I'm not sure about Egypt's weaponry being state of the Art, but they are very well trained. After Egypt's peace deal with Israel, Israel never worried about Arabs again

Btw, what do u think about Syria?

I think the idea that the Arab countries have outsourced their defense to the US is a bit too exaggerated. Of course, the West is their number one military supplier, but in the event of war, they will have to fight their own wars and as a responsible military they plan their strategies accordingly. This whole idea that Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country will crumble overnight had it not been for the West is a bit too played out. A quick peruse of their inventories show some of the world's most advanced weapons.

I suspect even the UAE will give Iran a good run for its money, let alone the entire Gulf. Iran's military is very obsolete and it is unfair to compare it to UAE or Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Iran's military hasn't made any progress since the Shah.

Syria is actually the worst in the lot. In the 80s, the Israels knocked out like 100 of their jets without the loss of a single Israeli jet. Both Syria and Iran have a lot of catching up to do and even then I don't think they will be highly. Their trainings are awful.

Using the same planes as the Syrians, Pakistani pilots were able to knock out 6 Israeli planes for the loss of 0 jet. So there is an organizational inability on top of the leadership failure.

[gurey25]

Twisted , UAE? interesting choice..
I would agree it is understated so is oman, but Saudia is extremley overstated.

The house of Saud is frightened of its own people and they know that they are illegitimate and are viewed by they people as scum,
this is why they have deliberatley made thier armed forces weak.
Saudia buys all these fancy weapons so that US and British companies can sell them, not for use.
Saudia ensures that the National gaurd (loyalist desert bediouns) get better training and equipment than the army that they dont trust.

While UAE actually needs these weapons and is not afraid to use them.

Whats on paper and whats on the ground is very different

Saudia is over 20 million while UAE only has 1 million citizens out of 5 million people
20 to 1 odds, but from 1 million they have nearly 50,000 effective fighting men to 200,000 practically useless Saudi soldiers.

The same can be said about OMAN 25,000 ..



Kuwait is allot like Saudia they have both left national defense to the USA and have neglected thier defense,
this is why in a real conflict Saudi Arabia is defensless and can barley defend itself against much smaller countries like UAE and OMAN.

Quality counts not numbers..

Saudi Arabia outnumbers UAE 20 to 1 but i would rate the effectiveness of thier armed forces as equal to the UAE,
and they outnumber the OMAnis 40 to one but would it would be 3 to 1 odds for the Omanis.


Basically Saudi arabis is a decaying corpse and an extremley shamefull embarrsment..
i am disgusted just talking about it..

acudubillahi min al shaydan al rajim

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted , UAE? interesting choice..
I would agree it is understated so is oman, but Saudia is extremley overstated.

The house of Saud is frightened of its own people and they know that they are illegitimate and are viewed by they people as scum,
this is why they have deliberatley made thier armed forces weak.
Saudia buys all these fancy weapons so that US and British companies can sell them, not for use.
Saudia ensures that the National gaurd (loyalist desert bediouns) get better training and equipment than the army that they dont trust.

While UAE actually needs these weapons and is not afraid to use them.

Whats on paper and whats on the ground is very different

Saudia is over 20 million while UAE only has 1 million citizens out of 5 million people
20 to 1 odds, but from 1 million they have nearly 50,000 effective fighting men to 200,000 practically useless Saudi soldiers.

The same can be said about OMAN 25,000 ..



Kuwait is allot like Saudia they have both left national defense to the USA and have neglected thier defense,
this is why in a real conflict Saudi Arabia is defensless and can barley defend itself against much smaller countries like UAE and OMAN.

Quality counts not numbers..

Saudi Arabia outnumbers UAE 20 to 1 but i would rate the effectiveness of thier armed forces as equal to the UAE,
and they outnumber the OMAnis 40 to one but would it would be 3 to 1 odds for the Omanis.


Basically Saudi arabis is a decaying corpse and an extremley shamefull embarrsment..
i am disgusted just talking about it..

acudubillahi min al shaydan al rajim

I agree most of Saudi purchases are dictated by a means to satisfy American companies but we also need to look at the other side of the coin. American weapons are the best in the world and in the end that should end the talk. The Saudi Military is very well equipped and if they work on training and ethics, can be a force to reckon with.

With regards to Oman, I am surprised that you even mentioned them in the same vein as Saudi Arabia or UAE. Oman's air force consists of few Jaguars which should have been replaced right about now. Oman is like the weakest link among all of the Arab countries. I would even rate the Yemeni Air Force higher than the Omanis

[abdalla11]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

[gurey25]

Twisted i thought we were talking the effectiveness of the entire armed forces not just airforces.
what would all these fance F-15S and Tornados do for the Saudis if their pilots cannot even fly them properly??

Oman has a small and well equiped army and they have Challenger 2's and they train very hard.

Id take an Oman battalion over 5 Saudi Battalions anyday.

[Twisted_Logic]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

Pakistan will cripple Egypt in a week or so. Pakistan has one of the best Air Forces in the world, its intelligence service is the envy of the world and its Army is very professional. Egypt has no chance.

Sudan is a disgrace. They need to spend more on their military budget

[gurey25]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

funny that you say that, its well known that over half of Saddams Nuclear Scientists were Egyptians on Loan.
Egypt was also working on Space launch vehicles with the Brazilians in the 80's but they ran out of money and the US forced them to pull the projects.

[gurey25]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

Pakistan will cripple Egypt in a week or so. Pakistan has one of the best Air Forces in the world, its intelligence service is the envy of the world and its Army is very professional. Egypt has no chance.

Sudan is a disgrace. They need to spend more on their military budget

200 plus F-16's and 20 years of american training to Pakistans F-7/mig-21 knockoffs and Mirage 3's makes pakistans fight a difficult one
i would asume all things bieng equal, egypt comes out as a winner.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted i thought we were talking the effectiveness of the entire armed forces not just airforces.
what would all these fance F-15S and Tornados do for the Saudis if their pilots cannot even fly them properly??

Oman has a small and well equiped army and they have Challenger 2's and they train very hard.

Id take an Oman battalion over 5 Saudi Battalions anyday.

In a modern war, anyone who controls the air, controls the ground. Once Saudi Arabia gains Air Dominance, it will make a short work of the Omani army. Few Challengers wont make much impact when they have to face hundreds of M1A1s supported by Cobras and Apaches.

[gurey25]

Twisted i thought we were talking the effectiveness of the entire armed forces not just airforces.
what would all these fance F-15S and Tornados do for the Saudis if their pilots cannot even fly them properly??

Oman has a small and well equiped army and they have Challenger 2's and they train very hard.

Id take an Oman battalion over 5 Saudi Battalions anyday.

In a modern war, anyone who controls the air, controls the ground. Once Saudi Arabia gains Air Dominance, it will make a short work of the Omani army. Few Challengers wont make much impact when they have to face hundreds of M1A1s supported by Cobras and Apaches.

The Americans gave up trying to make the Saudis do CAS(combat air support) during the gulf war,
they havent trained for it, and thus they cannot implement a combined arms doctrine.
without that all your advantages go out the window, the Omanis wouldnt need those lovely Challangers, somali style technicals would do the job.

[Twisted_Logic]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

Pakistan will cripple Egypt in a week or so. Pakistan has one of the best Air Forces in the world, its intelligence service is the envy of the world and its Army is very professional. Egypt has no chance.

Sudan is a disgrace. They need to spend more on their military budget

200 plus F-16's and 20 years of american training to Pakistans F-7/mig-21 knockoffs and Mirage 3's makes pakistans fight a difficult one
i would asume all things bieng equal, egypt comes out as a winner.

Pakistani Pilots will cripple Egyptians pilots even if Egypt is fighting with F16 against a Pakistani pilot in an F-7PG. The Pakistanis also fly the F16s and know its every weakness and so the Egyptians won't offer any surprises.

The Pakistani Pilots went 6-0 against Israeli pilots flying very inferior Syrian Mig-21s against Israeli Mirages. Pakistani pilots flying F-6s went 1-2 against American F-4s.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted i thought we were talking the effectiveness of the entire armed forces not just airforces.
what would all these fance F-15S and Tornados do for the Saudis if their pilots cannot even fly them properly??

Oman has a small and well equiped army and they have Challenger 2's and they train very hard.

Id take an Oman battalion over 5 Saudi Battalions anyday.

In a modern war, anyone who controls the air, controls the ground. Once Saudi Arabia gains Air Dominance, it will make a short work of the Omani army. Few Challengers wont make much impact when they have to face hundreds of M1A1s supported by Cobras and Apaches.

The Americans gave up trying to make the Saudis do CAS(combat air support) during the gulf war,
they havent trained for it, and thus they cannot implement a combined arms doctrine.
without that all your advantages go out the window, the Omanis wouldnt need those lovely Challangers, somali style technicals would do the job.

If you see the current Saudi offense against the Yemeni rebels, you will notice that the Saudis have done successful Air to Ground raids.

[abdalla11]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

Pakistan will cripple Egypt in a week or so. Pakistan has one of the best Air Forces in the world, its intelligence service is the envy of the world and its Army is very professional. Egypt has no chance.

Sudan is a disgrace. They need to spend more on their military budget

Egypt doesn't have a free ride to buy what they want like ths pakis have, so it is not fair to comare these two. Despite that, the only thing that makes pakistan superior to Egypt is the nuclear capacity.

Gurey,

the americans know that Egypt is capable of making a nuclear bomb, so they pay them heavily not to start a nuclear programme. Despite the fact that Pakistan has a nuclear bomb, Isreal doesn't fear them as much as they fear Egypt, what does that tell you?

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,

Actually ragtag ill equiped tribal militia in Yemen, crossed the border occupied Saudi territory, and till now have a bunch of prisoners and weapons captured from them. I lived in Saudi dude and I've seen Saudi soldiers. They do not even live a militiary lifestyle! They eat lavish meals, sleep during the day. Also Guray is right, they're meanest and toughest soldiers are actually straight up bedouins You'll see them every now and then. These are the ones that are actually trained but they are very few. Dude, with Saudi and Kuwait it is US Naval ships in the Arabian Sea and US Army bases in their Country that give them a sense of security. Their militiary readiness is absoultely zero!


I see what You are saying about arsenals and everything but what good is it if the forces are not trained, and the miltiary is a joke?


As far as Sudan I agree they are a complete joke but they get a pass as they are poor.