The_Patriot wrote:this Kid is behaving like a lunatic, he is more like Bush them vs Us if thats the case the Prophet PBUH would not have preached the deen for 23 yrs but for 2 yrs.
But due to the prophet's SAW Xikma a 23 yr period of Sabar and good Akhlaq made the entire Arab peninsular a bastion of Islam.
look, you slow and redundant clown. what i've i said wrong for you to accuse me of being a lunatic and compare me with bush, who's closer to you than me?
i'll try to reason with you, as futile as it may be against an emotive driven person such as yourself.
...isn't this character, if he really exists, a grave-worshipper? now is it possible to be a muslim while worshipping allah swt alongside the graves of so-called dead 'saints'? if you say yes then there is no reason to continue; at this point there's nothing for me to say to you than may allah guide you or break your back. but if you're indeed a muslim then the answer is without a doubt no - one can't be a muslim while worshiping others besides allah swt. now we've established that this guy isn't a muslim but is he an apostate, who's liable to be executed if he doesn't repent from his shirki ways? that depends on if he was a muslim to begin with. if he's always a grave-worshipper AND was born to non-muslim parents - e.g. grave-worshippers - then he was never a muslim and so the hukm of ridda doesn't apply to him. instead, he should be treated like an original kaffir and be made to pay al-jizya. now if he's senile or mentally not well then thats a whole different story....
as for you distorting and lying upon the prophet [saw] and his sunnah due to your desire then may allah help you because this a grave issue. yes, sabar and akhlaq were employed by the prophet [saw] to establish islam. but they weren't the only tools employed by the prophet [saw] to establish islam on earth. they weren't even that crucial in the establishment of islam, certainly not as crucial and decisive as the sword, but you left out because it doesn't fit your agenda. the prophet [saw] mission and purpose can never be whitewashed by defeatists. for we've the clear and undeniable words of the prophet [saw] to counter your batil and defeatist agenda:
"i have been sent with the sword, between the hands of the hour, until allah is worshipped alone".
moreover, the transformation arabian peninsular from bastion of shirk to tawheed wasn't as smooth as you make it out be, in accordance with your defeatist agenda. nor was the transformation completely secured during the life time of the prophet [saw]. it required one last strike of the sword - the ridda wars, i.e. the rightly-guided leadership of abu bakr as-siddiq [ra] and the bravery of the sword of allah, khalid bin waleed [ra]. now i don't have to tell you how bloody the riddah wars were.
as to 'them v us' being exclusive to bush then you couldn't more wrong. this is the very creed of the saviour sect - al-wala wa-bara. there are only two parties - the party of tawheed and the party of shirk. there is no other party, as allah the most high makes it clear. nor is bush my example in this - for this i don't have to look at any other source but the honorable ibraheem [as] in accordance with the command of allah swt:
"There is an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him when they told their people: Surely, we disassociate ourselves from you and all that you worship beside Allah. We have done with you. And there has arisen between us and you enmity and hate forever until you believe in Allah Alone. (Suratul Mumtahanah 60:4)
