BlackVelvet wrote:Adocatar you have been here way longer than I and you expected AW to discuss USC rationally? And then be talked into admitting that it would have been better if MSB was left in power? In a forum full of Daroods? Now who is the naive one? The guy only thinks such thought with the lights off and with no one around to hear his thoughts.
BV I just wanted to see AW excuses and poor attempts to divert attention by either introducing the evil jaberti card, or accusing him of sheegato or finding a new loophole lol in which he so far did all. AW won't answer Addoows questions cuz he can't.
Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:Honestly speaking, AW won't answer Addoows questions cuz he can't. To try to justify the barbaric brutality of the USC amidst aimless carnage is impossible. Somalia wasn't exactly a utopian society when they went on their serial killing/raping/looting spree, and it's well-documented that Siyaad Barre AUN was also a heavy-handed brutal dictator, lakiin the USC took Somalia (by and large) out of the frying pan and into the fire. Had they set up an inclusive central government after ousting the late dictator and left shacabka alone, they could have possibly been hailed as the saviours of the Somali people. But they didn't, so their legacy will forever remain as senseless thugs who destroyed Xamar and dwarfed the injustices of the Kacaan government. That's something AW knows, but can't admit. Why should he be expected to own up to the rampage his uncle Caydiid AUN and the USC went on though, when Siyaad Barre's kin refuse to acknowledge the SNA/Red Berets' unmeasured fatal responses to rebellion, Isaaq refuse to admit the injustices committed by Tuur AUN and the SNM against Daarood civilians in the Waqooyi regions, etc? If everyone has their clan lenses on, it's hypocritical to make a spectacle of AW's spectacles.
I think this is the most sense right here, everyone in Somalia has their clan lenses on and if one person won't admit the follies of their leaders, what makes u think AW will do it. Thread was dead to begin with.
So far,No sensible word from you,all you have done is accuse me of supporting a particular person which i dont.bal ninyahow,I will say it say,Is half century enough for you?.
Addow's question is foolish. He has already expressed his support for the Marxist regime and thus even if I preach from the scrolls of the Qaddiyada, it will not be of any use.
I have absolutely no idea where you get this ludicrous idea,I have no affiliation to any particular group or ideology in case you still have some doubts.Your reaction so far has been full of invective,personality condemning and unsuccessful ostracism.
Murax wrote:As I understand it Abdiwahab and His family never lived in Somalia they are Reer Kenya, and dudes been living in the West longer than most of You have been born. None of this shid matters to Him, nor did it have implications on His life so He'll just say what he wants to say
Funniest yet truest Post in this topic... and its true. AW probably hasn't been in Somalia since the early 1980s
Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:Honestly speaking, AW won't answer Addoows questions cuz he can't. To try to justify the barbaric brutality of the USC amidst aimless carnage is impossible. Somalia wasn't exactly a utopian society when they went on their serial killing/raping/looting spree, and it's well-documented that Siyaad Barre AUN was also a heavy-handed brutal dictator, lakiin the USC took Somalia (by and large) out of the frying pan and into the fire. Had they set up an inclusive central government after ousting the late dictator and left shacabka alone, they could have possibly been hailed as the saviours of the Somali people. But they didn't, so their legacy will forever remain as senseless thugs who destroyed Xamar and dwarfed the injustices of the Kacaan government. That's something AW knows, but can't admit. Why should he be expected to own up to the rampage his uncle Caydiid AUN and the USC went on though, when Siyaad Barre's kin refuse to acknowledge the SNA/Red Berets' unmeasured fatal responses to rebellion, Isaaq refuse to admit the injustices committed by Tuur AUN and the SNM against Daarood civilians in the Waqooyi regions, etc? If everyone has their clan lenses on, it's hypocritical to make a spectacle of AW's spectacles.
Best post in this topic. Somali History from a Somali is just about never objective
The thing is Somalinet is not a place Where people are going to be unbiased. Everyone is going to have a defensive posture, and thats understandable. Maybe in more appropriate venues people will be more honest.
Yungfresh is a hypocrite himself, he mention the Kacaan, the SNM, and USC, but no mentioning of SSDF and they were the start for all the problems in Somalia, and the injustices they committed.
Murax, that's the thing sxb, either no one deals in qabyaalad and we can all condemn reprehensible actions regardless of the individual(s) committing them, or else make an allowance for others to support their clan leaders/movements if we're all going to stand unwaivering behind our own through right or wrong. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Sadeboi, actually, Wallahi I initially wrote MJ's supporting AY in Xamar circa 2006 too, but deliberately decided to leave that out to prove a point. Real talk, I can admit AY was a power-hungry source of unjustifiable destruction in Xamar and I never supported him in that or his affinity for the Ethiopians. I DARE you to condemn the brutal response to rebels by Siyaad Barre in Hargaysa and Gaalkacyo...waa hadaad nin rag ah tahay.
For the record, I see no problem with the concept and creation of the SSDF or the SNM...they were a reaction to, and not a cause of, Siyaad Barre's nepotism and despotic clinging to power. If you see something wrong with rebels fighting against the MSB regime at that particular time, take off those lenses bro.
A/yusef, brought ethiopians to goldogob and Caabudwaaq, and he murdered hundereds of men with Xabasha troops in the 70's. Forget his treasonous ways of 2006. Forget SNM and USC, why did the SSDF form in 1978? I dare you to give us one reason that shows nepotism and corruption, before 1978 that led the rebel movement to form? i dare you.
I just finished admitting to you that one of my most influential and controversial clan leaders, Abdullahi Yusuf, had faults and I listed his faults and disassociated myself from them. Why can't you have the balls to do the same? I'll FULLY engage you in whatever it is you want to discuss about the reasons why AY did what he did, right or wrong, in 1978 (which I felt were justified), lakiin I just finished asking you to at least be man enough to admit that Siyaad Barre wasn't a good leader overall (a good leader can only be good if he remained good...once you mix a good product with a bad product, the outcome is a bad product overall with good aspects) and point out what mistakes you felt he made. I ain't trying to get into a game of "I dare you! No, I dare YOU! Ok, I DOUBLE DARE YOU" with you sxb, ee keep it moving if you're not gonna at least address me honestly and with genuineness
How old are you? You wish to have a discussion about the leadership of Siyaad Bare, but without even engaging in a discussion you want me to already paint him in a certain way. I asked you, since you say Siyaad Bare was not great because of his corruption and what not, to explain what corruption and nepotism existed when the SSDF rebels attacked their country with Ethiopian forces. Let us not make emotional comments, or try to find ways not to answer the question. This is a dialogue, we are not couple admitting how the other did some wrong, we want to come to a place of understanding, at least on my part. So, if you want to have a discussion, go for it, if not, let us quit the childish games.
The Governments intention was legitimate, with a specific plan of targeting the rebel compounds and what not, however, I will admit individual soldiers have, or might have done crimes against innocent people, but this is something that needs to be investigated, and not only believed because of hearsay. Every soldier who did injustice should held accountable.
And the thing is, Abdullahi Yusef is your clan leader, Jalle Siyaad was a leader of Nation, it further shows the reasoning behind SSDF.
Exactly, as I have said, no rebel supporters have as of yet proved the legitamacy of the rebels they supported that led to the downfall of the nation. You lot shall live with such legacy until you denounce it.
AW probably hasn't been in Somalia since the early 1980s 
