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abdisamad3 wrote:Greates general in history..was an oromo guy called baarento..him and his mighty bantu army reached all the way to S-net..on his campaign to re-bantunise the skinny Somali's and convince them of their bantuness or negroe'ness..this skinny's had to be conquered and shown their true roots even if the general had to use force..according to the general this skinny's become too arabised and had to be saved from them self's..

bareento wrote:

abdisamad3 wrote:Greates general in history..was an oromo guy called baarento..him and his mighty bantu army reached all the way to S-net..on his campaign to re-bantunise the skinny Somali's and convince them of their bantuness or negroe'ness..this skinny's had to be conquered and shown their true roots even if the general had to use force..according to the general this skinny's become too arabised and had to be saved from them self's..

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bareento wrote:

Gara Man wrote:

bareento wrote:Gara Man,
Oromo genealogy is political construction, it comes to sanctfy a political alliance!
Afran Qallo, is an alliance of four oromo tribes that separated at a time from the bigger Bareeytuma.

All AQ tribes claim coming frm elsewhere; some even point out to
some parts of present day ogadenia(alaa), or even north somalia(noolee).
The migration from south ie Baali is in my opinion prior to the migration u r talking of;
It was prior to the foundation of Odaa Bultum in early 16th century; at the time there were no AQ federation some even say Oda Bultum was common to the whole Bareeytumaa moiety ie before the differentiation of Arsi, Hararge, Wollo Oromos

Finally, the genealogy of the 19TH AQ do not differ from the current one;
and if there is any difference it doesnt mean its more correct it only means reflects the political situation of the 19TH century.

For instance Noolee was powerful before the coming of the Turko Arabs, now
they r junior partner in AQ federation (they r considered as the grand sons of qallo) , Alaa taking ascendance on them (previously considered as the youngest hence as "ilma dullacha" born from a foreigner not a very nice position),
if not for that war today noolee would have been considered as direct son of Qalloo, and probaably as the eldest one!

Anyway I will love hearing your theory on Daga, on whom I know only the Noole and Jaarso.

B.

Nice explanation but i already knew gosas were partially lies, even as i kid i thought it was a joke but for some reason i am interested in it now. And i think we kind of had this discussion already and all seems old but it also seems to you there are only two sub clans in AQ!

but i am not talking who was the strongest of the four but what direction AQ came from So according to you only your political situation reflects on were your origin lies? Okay noole and jarso are both dagaa both i believe came eastward then why did not both have the same treaty with the same somali clan? To me Jarso is a just name of place, as baabillee, but both somehow became a clan name.

Also i dont think arab-turks are soley responsible for weakening the noole, i think somewhere the issa are involved.

My theory is not done yet but will marinate some details if this discussion proceeds onwards.

i) I know more about Noole and Alaa that is why I use them as examples; my point is not to say who is more powerful, as clans has no longer no meanings today. Wat I wanted to say is your position in a federation depends on your power: compared to your power u r considered the eldest son or the youngest son in a federation.

ii) Jaarso and Baabbile as place names is bold and maverick, but it contradicts the general pattern, as oromos tend more to name places after the tribes.
I some how read about Jaarsos in Showa and Wallaggaa and it tend to be rather a person name; in Borana and Arsi its still name.

iii) Noolee and Jaarso do not live with the same Somalis and hence can not have the same treaty with the same somalis.
Besides living togeter doesnt equate having treaty

B.

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bareento wrote:Gara Man,

Everybody knows ona Alaa, ona jaarsoo, ona Noolee etc...
In ancient Maps when u see Jaarso and Baabile it only means those tribes
live there,,it doesnt mean the place is called Jaarso or Baabilie.

There is no place called Jaarso it only means Ona Jaarso(=the domain of Jaarso)
The same is true for Baabile. When u have vast domain all domain is not referd by the tribe name but only as Ona ....

In oral history all these domains r shared at the decree of Humbannaa at the place called Water.

B.

bareento wrote:That is not new,
Many Oromo tribes r mentionned before the time they r supposed to be there
Yajjuu in Wollo, Maayaa, Akichiu in Harergee Ammayyaa in Showa.

One of the generals of Libne dingil was called Tulluu ....the theory of oromo migration is not complete to say the least.

B.

bareento wrote:I do not get your last statement.
My point is there might be alien elements in Jaarso clan, or Baabile clan but Jaarsos and Baabiles were originaly oromo.
How can u explain warra Jaarso along Nile river, jaarso subclan in Salaale, Jaarso in Wallagga et etc...

U cant have places called Jaarso oll over oromo lands;

B.

gurey25 wrote:I have never heard of an akisho saying they are Oromo...
They are somali, Dir and of the oldest somali lineage...

I see they have not yet been fully assimilated by the Borg. I mean Ilma Ormo.

Are you going to claim Gurgura now as well?