Busting the myth of secular islam

[Shirib]

it most certainly is complex, and that is why the greatest of minds in islamic history were the ulema

I said it wrong. It is complex, I was trying to say they make it seem like its impossible to implement.

But sharia is not new, and the majority of the handwork has been put in place. The 4 madhabs have volumes of law which is the basis for the implementation.

[grandpakhalif]

This ayaat is sufficient for me

“And whoever does not judge by what Allah revealed, then they are Kafirun



There is no changing the words of God;that is the mighty triumph.-- Sura 10:64

[Shirib]

This ayaat is sufficient for me

“And whoever does not judge by what Allah revealed, then they are Kafirun

seemeyer

There is no changing the words of God;that is the mighty triumph.-- Sura 10:64

Unfortunately I don't think u are put in place to make that ruling. That is the ayat that Shabaab use to call the TFG gaalo, and declare jihad.

Truth is it is more complex than that, and we are not scholars and cannot start making our own rulings.

[Leila25]

In reality though, there arent women who are stashing away their inheritance, they are spending it on the household, children. I dont know if this law is applicable in Muslim countries now and if they have laws to force the men in the family to provide if a problem arises.

[Shirib]

In reality though, there arent women who are stashing away their inheritance, they are spending it on the household, children. I dont know if this law is applicable in Muslim countries now and if they have laws to force the men in the family to provide if a problem arises.

Its considered sadaqa for them in doing that. They are getting ajar from it.

I don't know about the Muslim countries now. But I would assume that the men are the bread winners

[BlackVelvet]

Was there IVF, organ transplant, derivatives and nuclear weapons during the time of the prophet or the sahaba? That is why any legal system needs to change and adapt, societies grow and technology develops. Are you living in a secluded island of some sort, where do you get this blocked mentality from, sometimes you can be so close minded it's shocking you have survived this long in America.

What about inheritance laws, should men inherit more than women in an age where many women financially contribute to the household. Should women inherit more than their brothers if they are lone parents or widows, or is it set in a stone.

Unlike stoning, the inheritance laws are actually from the quran so I would be very careful about this topic.

If we live in a society where the woman does not have to contribute to the household and where women are completely looked after financially, which is how it should be in the first place then the inheritance laws are very fair. However you're right in that it doesn't always work that way and in those cases I think women should have the right to go to a shari'a court and complain so that they may get their fair share. That is where the flexibility comes in. However there is a place for the law and it should be implemented in such a way that the women don't face any financial burden because of it.

[abdikarim86]

how flexible is shariica law?

[ibrahimcw]

so the discussion has turned into, the laws of Allah(swt) vs Man made laws ? really

GP, your on the straight path, do not let them corrupt you bro.

[Farax1234]

Someone once told me that almost 100% of Somalis are Muslim. I really question that everytime I come onto this forum and see what some of the folks on here think of Islam. Subhanallah. May Allah guide us all.

[Executive]

Someone once told me that almost 100% of Somalis are Muslim. I really question that everytime I come onto this forum and see what some of the folks on here think of Islam. Subhanallah. May Allah guide us all.

Amiin

I can't understand how someone can come in here and criticize Allah swt while trying to provide a option they believe it better. Everything regarding sharia, how it should be implemented and under the conditions it should function is already prescribed in the Quran and Sunnah.

[melo]

This ayaat is sufficient for me

“And whoever does not judge by what Allah revealed, then they are Kafirun

seemeyer

There is no changing the words of God;that is the mighty triumph.-- Sura 10:64

Unfortunately I don't think u are put in place to make that ruling. That is the ayat that Shabaab use to call the TFG gaalo, and declare jihad.

Truth is it is more complex than that, and we are not scholars and cannot start making our own rulings.

There is an Ijma on this issue. That is, if a governments replaces the shariah entirely (or majority of it) with other laws, than that government is a kaafir one. The quotes and analysis by the culemaa of sunni Islam can be found by searching google. Secularism is therefore absolute kufr, as it calls for the Shariah to be removed entirely and replaced with non religious secular, man made laws. Shariifs case is quite different.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Are paragraphs haram?

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[DR-YALAXOOW]

so called sharia laws are actually most of it man made laws, becouse most sharia books were written bye so called Fiqh jurisprudence scholars, they freely interprets and extends the application of Sharia laws from different madh-habs in islam both sunni and shi'as.

Almost 90% of shari laws It does not from quran but its from secondary sources whichs are usually the consensus of the religious scholars embodied in ijma, so sharia laws are man made laws too becouse most if it was wriiten by scholars so called ijmaaac.

sharia laws is like jungel because you have lot of books which mideavel shaikhs wrote which different conculation how to inforce so called sharia laws foraxmple Fiqh jurisprudence books about how you sell you buy a slave and how you can have sex whit slave women whit out here consent. in 2000 century you can no longar sell humanbieng and that man made Fiqh jurisprudence books about owning slaves are no longar valid even in the eyes of todays muslims and muslim scholars.

and like slavery the law of stoning to death for zinaaa whichs not in the quran, therefore that barbaric law is definitely not from allah BUT IS was stolen from christian bibel and muslims today should abandon that bararic man made law(stoning).

[The_Emperior5]

so called sharia laws are actually most of it man made laws, becouse most sharia books were written bye so called Fiqh jurisprudence scholars, they freely interprets and extends the application of Sharia laws from different madh-habs in islam both sunni and shi'as.

Almost 90% of shari laws It does not from quran but its from secondary sources whichs are usually the consensus of the religious scholars embodied in ijma, so sharia laws are man made laws too becouse most if it was wriiten by scholars so called ijmaaac.

sharia laws is like jungel because you have lot of books which mideavel shaikhs wrote which different conculation how to inforce so called sharia laws foraxmple Fiqh jurisprudence books about how you sell you buy a slave and how you can have sex whit slave women whit out here consent. in 2000 century you can no longar sell humanbieng and that man made Fiqh jurisprudence books about owning slaves are no longar valid even in the eyes of muslim todays muslim scholars.

and like slavery the law of stoning to death for zinaaa in not in the quran therefore that barbaric law is definitely not from allah BUT IS was stolen from christian bibel and muslims today should abandon that bararic man made law(stoning).

i dont know what kind of Muslim you are if you believe sharia is man made, next is quran is man made you allready said u don't believe in xadith

[DR-YALAXOOW]

qaldaan dont change the topic we are not talking about quran. quran is 1000% from allah subxaana watacaalaa.

the topic is about so called sharia.

so called sharia the word itself means simply( sharciya= LAW) nothing fancy about the word it self which simply means( sharci=law)

Islamic jurisprudence are called Fiqh and fiqh almost all of them were written by scholars and so called islamic shariah laws are 90% fromfiqi books . fiqi books was written bye the 4 madhhabs of sunni and other shi.a mad-habs and all of them have different opinion how you implement so called sharia, thats why iam saying so called sharia laws most if it is man made laws becouse if sheikh hebel hebel says this is the right way and other one says this is right way then you have different laws which come from different sheikhs opinion. bugaagta fiqhiga dhamaanteed waxaa qorey sheekhyo noolaaa boqolaal sano nabiga ka dib, dhamaan bugaagtaana waxay ka tarjumayaan sheekhyadaa waqtigii ay noolaayeen sida ay dunida aheeyn, mana aha buugaagtaa kuwo la socon kara qarniga 21aad waayo bugaagta qaarkood waxaa ku qoran inaad guursan karto 9 years old girl. ama aad SLAVE ka soo iibsan karto SUPER MARKETKA.