Why Western Somalia is a better name than Ogadenia

[BlackVelvet]

do you think we have been shedding blood for 4 generations to let the country be ruled from Mogadishu? use common sense,

So your argument starts and can pretty much end at Ogadenia is not joining Somalia. There's nothing to argue about past this point in that case.

[samatar133]

guys, don't waste your time with ONLF and the Ogadenia thing. ONLF is an extension of Ethiopian domination of the horn an it serves an important strategical function for Meles' dictatorship. I will be surprised actually shocked if they change their behaviour as long as certain known condition prevail. ilaahay haw sahlo dadka iska naive ka ah ee sida fudud u rumaysta things like ONLF fights for liberation of the Somali people in Ethiopia.

[bareento]

Now that I think of it, the somali inhabited hararge desert was always refered to as Wugaden in every ethio accounts ...

If I may, why would the very same Somali clans who have difficulties to live in harmony in somalia will be able to do it in the new independant Ogadenia?
Ogaden clanis not overwhelming majority, they are from 50 to 55% to impose their will on the whole population.
Besides imagine the Ethiopia that will remain once ogadenia is gone ! it is a bitter angry 80 million strong peasant country...probably led by a jingo nationalis who will use everything to undermine u!
It seems like u have to destroy Ethiopia in order to become independant ....just in time to be eaten by your cousins in somalia who by then have eaten up the little
they had and will be in the mood for some qualiy time ....
Its stategical stalemate!
Wish u the best!

B.

[eliteSomali]

Blackvelvet: Gain support from who? What do you exactly suppose will happen subsequently? I see you're saying we should change the name so the cause appeals to all Somalis in the region and even out of the region equally and that way we'll get support according your assumption. Don't be so naive. Somalia is burning in all corners. Al shabab is slaughtering innocent people, amison is in xamar, ethiopia is 'supposedly' fighting al shabab but we all know the truth, kenya is in somalia doing all the destrcution it can, US has CIA bases there, somaliland is fighitng khaatumo, puntland is battling piracy and finally ogadenya is under constant systematic eradication and subjugation. So my question again, Who do you suppose we'll support us? Are you talking about the kinda support that goes like 'haa waa idinku raacsanahay somali galbeed' or a support in terms of military, men, finance and all? I don't think your historically disposed to address this subject. Please read on the history of the land and come back. Pledge me 30K men that are non ogadens that are well equipped and trained and want to help us free the land then we will change the name. But you coming here and suggesting a name change based on your twisted concept of 'logic' doesn't cut it.

[BlackVelvet]

That's the logic. It is literally the west of Somalia

Why does this argument about Somalis in that region not fighting keep coming back? Do you think they're not bothered becaue the region is called Ogaden? Do you think that is the reason why only Ogadeens are fighting?

[DANGIRL]

United Western Somali Liberation Front does not exist. I repeat 'UWSLF" does not exist. Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.

The rape of our women and children, the destruction and elimination of our country is not looked upon with worries and concerns, but the name is. How can you dispute a country that was never part of Somalia to begin with? This whole notion of western somalia was coined in the 70's to rally people. And for someone who's acting like they know what's best for us, you would know that most countries( especially in africa) were non-self governing territories, so you can't tell us Ogadenia has always been part of Somalia. I admit there might have been a time (we're talking about the 70's here) were we wanted to be part of "Greater Somalia",but thats long been gone.I mean do we really need more corruption and nihilistic government to governor us. If we wanted that, we would have been happy to be part of ethiopia instead of fighting them.

[BlackVelvet]

United Western Somali Liberation Front does not exist. I repeat 'UWSLF" does not exist. Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.

The rape of our women and children, the destruction and elimination of our country is not looked upon with worries and concerns, but the name is. How can you dispute a country that was never part of Somalia to begin with? This whole notion of western somalia was coined in the 70's to rally people. And for someone who's acting like they know what's best for us, you would know that most countries( especially in africa) were non-self governing territories, so you can't tell us Ogadenia has always been part of Somalia. I admit there might have been a time (we're talking about the 70's here) were we wanted to be part of "Greater Somalia",but thats long been gone.I mean do we really need more corruption and nihilistic government to governor us. If we wanted that, we would have been happy to be part of ethiopia instead of fighting them.

Ina aadan is the one who brought this info forward.

Like I said if the Ogaden is not looking to be part of Somalia then this whole argument is moot. I don't know who else has you worked up but I started this thread to discuss the likelihood of that name furthering the cause. No matter what it is called it won't change who lives there. When the people living in Ogaden are targeted and killed and those women are raped, do you think that the rest of us in aan ku faraxno?

[DANGIRL]

That's the logic. It is literally the west of Somalia

Why does this argument about Somalis in that region not fighting keep coming back? Do you think they're not bothered becaue the region is called Ogaden? Do you think that is the reason why only Ogadeens are fighting?

Since we're in the subject of renaming countries, why don't we refer to Pakistan from now on as Western India. It is logic afterall, right?

[eliteSomali]

That's the logic. It is literally the west of Somalia

Why does this argument about Somalis in that region not fighting keep coming back? Do you think they're not bothered becaue the region is called Ogaden? Do you think that is the reason why only Ogadeens are fighting?

But that's only feasible if the rest of somalia is already in a functioning condition? You can't solve the puzzle if you're missing parts of it. Ogadenya is the last piece of the puzzle. First, somalia has to get its shyt together. And yes to your second question. It's only ogadens that are fighting. Can you rebuke to that?

[BlackVelvet]

That's the logic. It is literally the west of Somalia

Why does this argument about Somalis in that region not fighting keep coming back? Do you think they're not bothered becaue the region is called Ogaden? Do you think that is the reason why only Ogadeens are fighting?

Since we're in the subject of renaming countries, why don't we refer to Pakistan from now on as Western India. It is logic afterall, right?

That's the opposite, India might have called it that if it was attempting to get it back.

Elite yes it is one of the final pieces of the puzzle but when the time comes, this is a way to make it all fit.

It's only ogadens that are fighting. Can you rebuke to that?

No. My second question was if you think Ogadeens are the only ones fighting because the land is called Ogaden?

[eliteSomali]

That's the logic. It is literally the west of Somalia

Why does this argument about Somalis in that region not fighting keep coming back? Do you think they're not bothered becaue the region is called Ogaden? Do you think that is the reason why only Ogadeens are fighting?

Since we're in the subject of renaming countries, why don't we refer to Pakistan from now on as Western India. It is logic afterall, right?

That's the opposite, India might have called it that if it was attempting to get it back.

Elite yes it is one of the final pieces of the puzzle but when the time comes, this is a way to make it all fit.

It's only ogadens that are fighting. Can you rebuke to that?

No. My second question was if you think Ogadeens are the only ones fighting because the land is called Ogaden?

So then your making the implication if the name was altered, somalis other than us would be fighting? correct? Do you guarantee that? Based on what logic? Did militia from other somali groups make this porposal? Did a somali entity make this proposal? Did the non ogadens in ogadenya actually come up to us and offered this proposal? It's something you assume would happen if we changed the name. It's in "IF" scenario and for a person who's been using the word logic so frequently in this discourse, I am disappointed you based your whole argument which you thought was legit on an 'IF" scenario.

[The_Patriot]

BV are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

Tell us exactly what you are looking for ? because alot of people have given you realistic/rational responses.
mise you want this thread to go on and reach 100 pages.

[EEGA9]

BV you got an answer long ago.

[DANGIRL]

Lool@ the final pieces of the puzzle.


Ogadenia will be an independent country when the time comes and will become a fully accredited UN member state. So, there is no need to dream about reuniting with a country we were never part of.

[BlackVelvet]

BV are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

Tell us exactly what you are looking for ? because alot of people have given you realistic/rational responses.
mise you want this thread to go on and reach 100 pages.

No I am not. Lakin when someone responds am I supposed to ignore them?

I asked a question got some interesting answers and that was that other than the late comers and I explained that. Lakin this issue of only Ogadeens being the one fighting for the Ogaden keeps coming up. Is it a sensitive issue if I ask why? Should I not go there? I am curious about things which are apparently causing offense, you know if I was trying to be a horrible about it I wouldn't be asking.