khalid ali wrote:But language develop through out the years even through inter acting Tigrinya of Ethiopia is not Pure Tigrniya as it was before of the Geez. or the Tigrinya of Eritrea is not even as pure as it was pure its heavily Arab Mixed and Afar and Tigre .
Well Language expands, for a starter The Tigrigna of Eritrea Dictionary is double The size of the ethiopian Tigrigna, That is because true to its Creation it has the sources next to it, for one Tigre is the most purest Geez you would get, so if a word is missing you can always look into the Tigre and adopt it since its geez and Geez is the main base of Tigrigna, sometimes people think Arabic words are used in Tigrigna but the fact is since geez and Arabic are semitic there are many words which are similar, same with somali and afar and beja since its afro asiatic languages, since Tigrigna always relies on old languages for its source whether its saho/afar/geez or Beja most of the words are picked accordingly, so 1400 Years ago since the Unifying language was created is a word to define a meaning is not there in Geez then an afar or beja alternative would do and get added in. The Language of Tigrigna was Created in Eritrea by a wave of Beja who came through During the Fall of Axum From Himyar, they were known as The belew kelew, Fierce Fighters they quickly Dominated the Highland of Eritrea taking over from their earlier Agazian waves who came thousands of Years before them, after moving around they established a power base In Seraye Region but were present in the other region like hamasien and Akele-Guzai, they spoke Beja and arabic But not Geez, so they tried to switch to Geez and along other Belew who settled In other region who interacted with the other groups like afar/saho etc slowly a new language emerged, converting to semitic tongue of Geez with beja and saho influence and since they had the arabic accent which they spoke as well Tigrigna was created in the 700's AD mainly around Seraye (Seraye Region is a beja name It means place of Governing), Tigrigna wasn't spoken In ethiopia till 1500's when gragn was defeated and the habesh invaded Eritrea again 800 Years after it was Created. for 800 Years the Tigrigna became dominant across the Eritrean Plains because it was easier to learn Tigrigna Than learning Saho/Afar/Tigre/Beja as Tigrigna Vocab and Grammer allowed Both Semitic and Kushtic to be inserted, Today there is qabils who their language is Equally Half Tigre (Geez) and half Tigrigna we say they still haven't made up their mind 1400 yrs later lol. The pure Tigrigna of Eritrea is very very harsh and on point, what you hear mostly is street Tigrigna Arabic/Italian mix what ever goes, but the real Tigrigna is very Hard man its like harsh and very Unromantic. If you hear a message alert in ERITV they always say the message in Pure tigrigna even for me its very Harsh, Tigre on the other hand is like the french very cute and seductive because its more pure from one source.
So as for ancestry the Eritrean or the tigres and the Tigrinyas are related to the kassites of Ancient Babylon that still excludes the Bejas afar and sahos and raishada who are arabs.
The Tigrigna/Tigre/Saho and Beja are from the same ancestory, The kassites split the Tigrigna/Tigre/saho from the Main Beja when they adopted the semitic tongue and mixed with semitic people mainly by invading them. 90% of the saho share the same ancestory with Tigre who are also the same as the Tigrigna people of Eritrea, The Eritrean Tigrigna Qabil Name is Kabassa, Ka-ba-sa, so if you ask an Eritrean Tigrigna where you from he would say Biher Tigrigna and if you ask what Qabil you are he would Say "Kabassa", Meaning The highland Tigre's while the Tigre are also known as Metahet meaning Lowlanders, basically Highland Tigre and Lowland Tigre.
But the thing is Midrgeez even u having ur own identity the Ethiopian Agammes claim Agazian two the same with the Amhaaras the Amhaaras go even as far as saying we are from Eritrean origin not with those words but they are from the hamasien accoriding that is abeseniya in their mind.
Yesterday they claimed they are habesh for Hadramut, then jews from Jueraslem, today they are claiming to be ancestors of Ancient Egyptians and agazians from Eritrea, Tomorrow they will claim to be the Real somali's, wait few more years and they would claim they are ancient Chinese.
You're lucky the Tigrinya u lot speak is nothing like the Tigrinya the Ethiopians speak they would claim everything. Any way why did the Medra bahri King safe the Abesenian Empire when the Imam Ahmed and his forces broke the back of the Ethiopians was it because of the faith or anything else we know the the medra bahri Kingdom and the Abesynian Empire were not friends well atleast not in the 18 19 century But In the 16 century when the Ethiopian were losing it the Eritrean king saved the Ethiopian Empire why was that some say its because of Christianity some say the king at that time was having good relations with the Ethiopians. I think the bejas i love their clothingwear when i was in sudan i used to wear what they wear the bejas are the most interesting Tribe in East Africa. Heavily cultured and Muslim maybe i should marry from them lol
What happened with ahmed Gragn was Flip flopping due to the external forces that got involved, at that time Eritrea and the beja confiderncy was declining from an 800 Year Gold Time in Eritrea's History, so Golden was we even Created a language that is Unique today Truly Made In Africa, arts trade was booming all the way to todays somaliland including the port town of Ziela, even forigners would come to Eritrea and stay there arabs/Indians traders. across the border the habesha were getting stronger and didn't attack midri bahri because it was still considered powerfull enough to Fight so the habesh went south into afar/somali Territory, meanwhile all along the coast from south east egypt trade and people moved around so the border was open. when ahmed gragn defeated the habesh king he first fled westward toward kenya/uganda which ahmed gragn used that time to burn everything in habesha land, everything was burned to the ground, once he finished he returned to the south, Now across him was Midri bahri with its churches and the Muslim population who had freedom, Now at that time they were allies some oral reasoning is because Gragn was known as gragn the belew and some claim that he went to somaliland today but his family might have originated In Eritrea where many arab lived, Ethiopian refered belew as any one who came from arabia and settled In Eritrea, Regardless of his origin since he was a pious man he knew not to attack the churches of Midri bahri unless he is provoked since the prophet PBUH put their people in high regards for sheltering His companions and his daughter RA. from here it gets tricky and i tell you why when the ethiopian king re-established himself and returned and raised an army he seeked help from the portuguese who were in an expansion mood at that time so they answered his call, in return Gragn seeked help from the ottomans where the first thing they did was to occupy massawa, so the ottomans had a secondry agenda, the midri bahri King knew the ottomnas were allies with gragn and understood now he can't avoid the war and has to get involve, but on which side???Gragn is an ally but the ottomans are pushing from the coast, he probarly thought that it was easier to deal with the ottomans who were directly threatning his land than the ethiopians who are across the border, upon hearing that the ethiopian king use the religion card and offered alliance, you can't blame the midri bahri king war came to him, what he didn't know was after the defeat of gragn the ottomans stayed and had a stronghold in massawa while the ethiopian King invaded Eritrea, he allied himself with the ethiopian King only to fight against him soon after, His name was king isaac he is considered a patriot by Eritreans since he fought with his sword till death in his palace in the capital debarwa, Didn't escape his Land and People, it was estmated that the ethiopian king army was 100,000 mainly non habesh slaves they inserted into the army against King isaac who had an army 1/5 of that, 300 Years before the midri bahri army was estimated at 200,000-300,000, so they fought for days till King isaac was left and it took many ethiopian soldiers to kill him, dying with his blood getting soaked up by eritrean soil, He was betrayed by the ethiopian king, that is why they say never ever trust Ethiopians their heart means something else while their mouth is speak different words.
As for the Aksumite Empire when it is seen and compared to other countries majority of its was in modern day Eritrean and only the northern part of Ethiopia Yemen and southern saudi arabia and parts of sudan despite the capital of aksum being in Ethiopia names aksum. But the Aksumits were losing Arabia around 525 when Sumuafa Ashawa was deposed by Abraha, who made himself Emperor at that time you said he was killed by Beja tribesmen right its ironic thought Emperor Lalibella of Ethiopia said that he originated from the Aksumite Empire maybe from Emeror keleb this is what i hate about Ethiopians they are not clear who they orignate from even their so called sultanate Lalibella accoriding the Amhaaras he was not a Christian but a jew,But if ur saying the truth the geez script than was introduced during King Keleb reign of Aksum thats when the Ethiopians were picking and choosing what was given to them.
well the official report states that abraha died when retreating to yemen after birds throw tiny things (which is in the koran) and his fingers were falling off and he was bleeding, but many narrators also say that during his retreat the Himyarite Prince intercepted him and cut his head off where his body was never recovered, many claim it was Dhi Yazan.
Himyarite were mixed arabs/beja like the belew kelew Beja and other Tribes. They were christians then converted to Judaism and forced mass conversion in arabia (They f****d Sh*t up in arabia massacring 20,000 Christians), at that time most were idol worshippers/Jews, they have converted they are not Jews themselves, when many of them came to eritrea they converted to christianity and many today are muslims. what a 360 degree they done huh. Laaakin they are the best people to deal with habesh wallahi.lol
Zura (Joseph) Dhu Nuwas was a fervent Jew. He decided to make it his mission to force all the Christians of Najran to convert to Judaism - conversion, or death. They refused to give way, so were forced to dig trenches for their own bodies, and in an appalling massacre some 20,000 Christians were either burnt, mutilated or put to the sword. The region became known as Ukhdud (Ar. trenches). The martyrs included Abdullah b. Thamir, whose body was apparently exhumed in the caliphate of Umar. It was discovered buried in a sitting position with his hand over the wound on his head – which was said to have bled when they tried to move it away. On his finger was a ring inscribed ‘Allah is my Lord’ – ‘al-Lah’ being the Arabic for ‘the Almighty’. Umar had him carefully reburied. As we can see we have been doing rwanda On habesh since old ages.looooool
As for the daaroods and isaaqs the two tribes dont get along not polically not socially not historically they have been fighting for hunderds of Years anomosity is high no one trusts each other. the daaroods consider the isaaq the enemies of their grandfathers and the isaaq feel the same way about the daaroods. They hardly intermarry maybe 6%. The daaroods moslty mary from the Hawiyes and intermix allot with the Hawiyes. During the war in the 80s. Isaaq families with darood relatives were hardly even trusted even if they had distant cousins when the SNM leaders used to hold gatherings in some of the houses even the grandmother if she was a daarood used to spy for the Somalia dictatorial government.The daarood used to dissort the history of Somaliland and that of Somalia when the former dictatorial regime was in place. if you want to know who is who the daaroods like Mohammad siad bare the Hawiyes like Mohammad farah caydiid. If u praise Siad bare and and u see a guy smiling he is most likely a daarood if you praise Mohammad farah caydiid and u see a guy smiling he is most likely a Hawiye. if go to an 18 may party Somaliland and see every one smiling the mostly likely 80% all Isaaq. Here on Somalinet few years back ther was this guy Mukhtaar he was a legend his aunty married a daarood the biggest mistake according to him few years later they had kids she asked him to baby sit he wanted to gass them
Wow man that is very deeeeep, i never thought it was that serious, yet you also neighbour each other too, it seems that darood are hated by both haiwya and isaaq then, hmmm that is no good for them i guess. Are there like darood in somaliland and isaaq in Puntland??? what is the composition in ogaden??? from what you saying its very hard to fix things. Is there accent different can you tell which qabil someone is from by listening to him speaking somali??? Maybe islam can heal things in the future, i always felt there was qabil friction with many somali friends at school, but maybe i was sparred the hatred because i wasn't even somali, but from memory sometimes it was bad like another somali can't sit eat with us because of something, i always thought they are just giving him hard times because he was from a different city or something, once i relaised it was a qabil issue i was like maybe its more rivarly than Hate, but the way you are describing it there is a lot of deep buried hatred, wallahi that is no good, Now i understand why Isaaq are very serious about creating somaliland, They would rather seperate from darood under one nation than re-establishing somalia with Haiwya which i understand from your post get along alot. allah yustur.