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Midrigeez its true Most eritreans share the same ancestry some through marriage some through the same ancestor thats when we talk about the biher tigrinya bejas and the tigres but if you talk to the afars they claim that their land was taken some say it was taken by other Ethnicities but that cannot be even a problem as long as there is co existance between the people Eventhoug Ethiopians claim the Biher Tigrinya are an offshoot of Tigryans from Ethiopia because of the same languge they some times speak eventhough different dialect but language doesnt mean u share the same ancestor. Afars are so unlucky some of them are in Ethiopia the Ethiopians conquered them in in the 18 century while the others claim they were hijacked by non afar Eritreans but it can be true that some of them dont want to be involved in politics. But how long can this be for instance the national language of Eritrea is tigrinya only this is the language of the biher Tigrinya not the language of the afar even though bilen and tigre people speak Tigrinya but not the language of the rashaida the cabaasi arabs in Eritrea.. There should be some sort of balanced powersharing between the various peoples.

Now for instance the Muslim league was founded in keren in in 1946 they were the one who wanted to see an independent Eritrea led by Ibrahim Sultan while the biher tigrinyas had no problem with being united under Ethiopia as long as it is federated and they had their own powers with in the political systeem in asmara and had their own parliament. But ur right haille sellesie had his own motives ofcourse an Amhaara will always have his own intentions but there was disunity at that time if the Eritreans back than showed common unity between them the whole anexation by Ethiopia would've never happened. what united u is now a long war for independence and the constant threats from Ethiopia now what u need to do is only share power equally and let others be involved while not losing ur own foreign policy which is good. Eritrea today is stronger than anything its not one of the bigggest countries in africa but has one of the biggest armies in Africa and its economy is growing rapidly. But one thing is good i see among Eritreans religion is not a problem for them a christian Eritrean and a Muslim Eritrean will take a bullet for each other this hardly happens in africa else where look at nigera. Eventhough the elf and eplf one led by muslims and one led by Christians fought a long war against eachother some Eritreans often say we needed just one liberation movement and not two to have some sort of unity fair enough but why not unite the two factions why drive the elf all the way to the sudan border? and in the late 40s there was also the unionist party mostly supported by biher tigrinyans in the local electtions in 1947 the Emperor supported that unionist party with guns and money and all of that and the brits supported it also why the Muslim leauge was neglected sure foreign elements were involved Ethiopians were involved but Eritreans were also involved. See unity comes with common understanding u have that now u just need to bring every one to the table and all will fall in place. But i agree with you much of what Ethiopia claims as it its history today came through Eritrea through the red sea christianity trade islam the sahabas al xathara in arabic all of that Ethiopians are proud of came through Eritrea.


As for Djibouti they are a small country they are not a threat to Eritrea just live and let live waryaa but it seems to be solved now and days the whole issue between Eritrea and Djibouti. And i am not isa i am isaaq from Somaliland but we isaaq do live in Djibouti but in smaller numbers. You should visit Djibouti wants they are not that bad man :D
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khalid ali wrote:Midrigeez its true Most eritreans share the same ancestry some through marriage some through the same ancestor thats when we talk about the biher tigrinya bejas and the tigres but if you talk to the afars they claim that their land was taken some say it was taken by other Ethnicities

Only Afars in ethiopia would claim that, and they would try to include eritrean afar to make their claim be more general, The fact is the afar in ethiopia always brought it to themselves when they became the servants of habesh, No eritrean afar would ever say that i lived among them and have few relatives who are afars through their fathers, next time an afar tells u that ask him if he was ethiopian afar or eritrean and if he claims he is eritrean ask him about his qabil and tell him you got a close eritrean afar friend 99.999% he would admitt he is actually ethiopian.

but that cannot be even a problem as long as there is co existance between the people Eventhoug Ethiopians claim the Biher Tigrinya are an offshoot of Tigryans from Ethiopia because of the same languge they some times speak eventhough different dialect but language doesnt mean u share the same ancestor.

The tigrayans claim they are the same as Biher tigrigna because they have a major identity issue, they have no lineage or ancestory that is known todate, they would tell you they are habesh but at the same time they are the same as biher tigrigna and biher tigre, biher tigrigna and tigre are not habesh by ancestory and they are agazians/beja who still speak geez and new born geez/beja langauges till this day, Tigrayans have adopted the language and some aspect of the Eritrean culture but since eritrea reclaimed its ancient Boundry and became independence the tigrayans are lost.

Afars are so unlucky some of them are in Ethiopia the Ethiopians conquered them in in the 18 century while the others claim they were hijacked by non afar Eritreans but it can be true that some of them dont want to be involved in politics.

Afars of Eritrea and Djbouti are called the Red Sea afars or the red One's (they wear Red cloth around their Head) to represent The people of the red land Or eritrea it is also a sign of a warrior Cast, The ethiopian afars wear white cloth and would never be allowed to wear the red cloth around their heads or else they would insult the red sea afars, the ethiopian white cloth is called the pastorial cast. The red sea afars always claim that the ethiopian afars are not real afars rather oromo/omotic people who moved to the area and adopted the language and culture, if you look at djbouti/eritrean afar and ethiopian afars you would sense some difference in features as well.

But how long can this be for instance the national language of Eritrea is tigrinya only this is the language of the biher Tigrinya not the language of the afar even though bilen and tigre people speak Tigrinya but not the language of the rashaida the cabaasi arabs in Eritrea.. There should be some sort of balanced powersharing between the various peoples.

Tigrigna/arabic/english is the national Languages because they have a written scripts for them, Afar speak arabic or tigre mostly as second language but what languages would they use if they have to write a letter??? or an invoice??? or their kids go to college??? for them Arabic/English or Tigrigna is an option. These days Afars are learning all three. infact historically the afars of Eritrea always spoke tigrigna while the afars of ethiopia spoke amharic. Remember that Tigrigna is much much closer to afar language than amharic because many of the Grammer/words were adopted from afar.

Now for instance the Muslim league was founded in keren in in 1946 they were the one who wanted to see an independent Eritrea led by Ibrahim Sultan while the biher tigrinyas had no problem with being united under Ethiopia as long as it is federated and they had their own powers with in the political systeem in asmara and had their own parliament.


Correct. However the biher tigrigna strife for independence went back to the 19th century when yohannes right hand man alula executed people like wolde who was tortured till his death while the last thing on his breath was Free Eritrea, Alula killed 80% of the niher tigrigna In eritrea, that is right 80% kids, old people imagine meles killing 80% of somali today. A british person who was passing by after alula's massacre wrote of how you could walk for 100's of km and see dead bodies along the path non stop from babies to old people, their crime??? they wanted Eritrea's freedom. people don't understand the hatred imagine if Darood went to somaliland and killed 80%-90% of their population?? they are bashing each other now because few thousands died during barre times, Imagine 4-5 Million are massacred and they both are muslims would you expect any healing any time soon???



But ur right haille sellesie had his own motives ofcourse an Amhaara will always have his own intentions but there was disunity at that time if the Eritreans back than showed common unity between them the whole anexation by Ethiopia would've never happened.

They did show Unity, 95% of Eritreans wanted seperate Eritrea, But due to american interest they ignored that. so the deal was 10 Year transition where eritrea would still govern itself under ethiopia's supervision, then when the time ended and it was upto a referndum, halisalise knew just like 1991 it would cast a landslide vote for Eritrea's independence, so he suspended the eritrean parliamement annexed eritrea by sending his forces which he was preparing for 10 Years and executed/prisoned all the main pro eritrean leaders, days after his invasion the first shot was fired and killed an ethiopian soldier by hamid idris awate and the resistance began.


what united u is now a long war for independence and the constant threats from Ethiopia now what u need to do is only share power equally and let others be involved while not losing ur own foreign policy which is good. Eritrea today is stronger than anything its not one of the bigggest countries in africa but has one of the biggest armies in Africa and its economy is growing rapidly. But one thing is good i see among Eritreans religion is not a problem for them a christian Eritrean and a Muslim Eritrean will take a bullet for each other this hardly happens in africa else where look at nigera. Eventhough the elf and eplf one led by muslims and one led by Christians fought a long war against eachother some Eritreans often say we needed just one liberation movement and not two to have some sort of unity fair enough but why not unite the two factions why drive the elf all the way to the sudan border?

Both were started by Muslims and both were equally contribiuted to by christians, EPLF came from the tummy of ELF, even isias has an elf tatoo, the split had to happen due to corruption and qabil politics within the ELF, The eplf came from within the elf but brought better structure/organisationa nd better result to advance to liberation. EPLF wouldn't have done it without the support of ELF influence even after the skirmishes they had between them, ELF Had 70,000 experienced combatant while EPLF had under 20,000. you would think ELF COULD have won if it wanted to but it passed the baton to EPLF And encourged most of its fighters to join eplf which 90% of the plf were EX elf fighters in the early 80's. They gave EPLF ACCESS TO PORT SUDAN AND THE WHOLE east sudan as well soo the liberation of eritrea was bigger than the idealogy of both those armies.


and in the late 40s there was also the unionist party mostly supported by biher tigrinyans in the local electtions in 1947 the Emperor supported that unionist party with guns and money and all of that and the brits supported it also why the Muslim leauge was neglected sure foreign elements were involved Ethiopians were involved but Eritreans were also involved. See unity comes with common understanding u have that now u just need to bring every one to the table and all will fall in place. But i agree with you much of what Ethiopia claims as it its history today came through Eritrea through the red sea christianity trade islam the sahabas al xathara in arabic all of that Ethiopians are proud of came through Eritrea.


As for Djibouti they are a small country they are not a threat to Eritrea just live and let live waryaa but it seems to be solved now and days the whole issue between Eritrea and Djibouti. And i am not isa i am isaaq from Somaliland but we isaaq do live in Djibouti but in smaller numbers. You should visit Djibouti wants they are not that bad man :D

Exactly live and let live should be said to djbouti the issa need to stop being used like slaves all their lives to the habesh because one day they will get the big boot up their behind. I did visit Djbouti and i had bad experience with the issa somali they are the dumbest horners going around, stupid people no wonder the french still colonising them, Just because i was born In eritrea they think i am a spy with a forign passport, when they ask what is your business in djbouti and you reply transit for 3 hours you would think they would get the point in i didn't have a choice to come through djbouti it was the airline decision, First they thought i was egyptian till they saw my place of birth and they erupted i think the whole djbouti army and police officials came to see me that day asking me stupid questions, I swear to god only one djbouti officer person understood the bad debacle there and was embarressed and i would bet he was either Afar or maybe isaaq somali and he had to explain to them how they are making a mistake, Issa somali Met them and not a big fan they are nothing but delusional people with emotional issues. I hope the french never live there they don't deserve to rule themselves with full diginity.
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I know many ethiopians pretend to be eritreans when i was in addis ababa in 2007 tigrayans would tell western foreingers they are eritreans and flew from isias. The afars i met, i met them in ethiopia but i asked if they were ethiopians but they said we are eritreans could be they are lying or they are half half.

As for biher tigryans i know ras alula and emperor yohannes fought against the biher tigriyans and killed so many of them.
But medra bahri was just one section of eritrea it aslo included parts of nothern Ethiopia.
But the bihir tigryans despise the tigrays from tigray region because there is bad blood between them an eritrean once told me the tigrayans were cheap labor in asmara they used to collect the garbage during the italian colonial era. And they used to claim eritrean or claimed that their mother was from hamasien. The isaaq and darood hatred is not from the 80s it goes back to the 17 18 19 century. They used murder eachother raid each others camels steal each others woman. Plunder entire villages kill each others chiefs and sultans. And they used recite victory poems and compose all kind of poetry how they landgrabbed one tribe.. The isaaq had the upper hand in most of all these raids and gained lots of land and camels. The daarood wanted revenge of what happened in the late 19 century. So they used the somali army airforce in the 80s to fight against the isaaq there were even some darood poets who were making poems in the 80s wanted to get revenge against a poet who died in the 50s. But SNM the liberators of somaliland they got eventually the upperhand.


But to get back to the afars in eritrea who do they marry the most
The saho or the bihir tigrinyas or themselves.
But ur right the tigrinya language the clear and pure version is spoken in eritrea the language came from geez
The tigrinya of the tigrayans is mixed with amhaarigna i knows this
But the bihir tigrinyas didnt trust the tigre they thought it was a muslim club elf in the sixties it was only the tigres. Fighting it must be the muslim blood. So u see the bihir tigrinyans had big issues with agames
But back than haille selessie amhaara king and mengistu half bantu half amhaara were the leaders so they were oke with it.
But the tigres were muslim for them it was jihaad fi sabililah amhaaras are the enemies of allah.


As for the cises one thing ur right they treat people like shit in djbouti airport i swear at them if they talk to me in french i force them to speak in somali. And i speak with a huge somailand accent so they feel a bit threatened lol.after i do that they help me right away but the ciises are not bad they may have bad policies and are a bit arrogant
But they dont have a bad heart waryaa they like the french they consider him ciise there is even a somali saying about that lol


Maybe u should visit us in somaliland we will speak to u in arabic not french lol
We will show u where our stronghold was when we waged a jihaad against tbe abysinians in seylac
So many old buildings there one of the oldest mosques is located ther masjid al qbiblatayni.
We will show you imam ahmeds gurays forts. The climate is here perfect
I am in somaliland now posting from my phone lol.
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khalid ali wrote:I know many ethiopians pretend to be eritreans when i was in addis ababa in 2007 tigrayans would tell western foreingers they are eritreans and flew from isias. The afars i met, i met them in ethiopia but i asked if they were ethiopians but they said we are eritreans could be they are lying or they are half half.

Indeed, you would find many ethiopians who would try to link themselves with Eritrea and Eritreans, from Tigrayans who claim to be the same as most Eritreans (which is not), to the Gurage who claim they are from Eritrea (In their dreams), to the oromo who some claim they are from the qabil of the jeberti who originated In eritrea (which is an insult to the jeberti's) to the amhara who now claim they are an off clan of the Himyar who are Agazians linking them to Todays Eritreans ( they don't want to be labelled as habesh anymore), The funniest so far Is the harari who now claim to have come from Eritrea loool I have no beef with harari's but when the Muslims were Building Mosque and doing dawah in Eritrea harari were habesh worshipping the Moon god. The afar in Ethiopia always are obsessed With Eritrean afars if they are not half Eritrean Afar then they are born In eritrea if not then one of their relatives somehow is eritrean afar or is a chief there.lol Ethiopian and their fairytales starting from their Menliek sheba solomon Story. Its in their Blood they are Day dreamers. Recently Eritreans in my city made a complaint to the government because the tigrayans arriving as Eritreans were doing so as fakes and many eritreans felt an enemy using eritrean identity to go to the west while some eritreans were having a tough time trying to Migrate was not acceptable.

As for biher tigryans i know ras alula and emperor yohannes fought against the biher tigriyans and killed so many of them.
But medra bahri was just one section of eritrea it aslo included parts of nothern Ethiopia.


Not True The midri Bahir border was the mereb river and never in its History included any land which is in ethiopia, 3 regions made up Midri bahri 1) Hamaseen who were predominantly Tigre origin . 2) Seraye who were predominantly Beja origin 3) Akele-Guzai or Akele-saho who were predominantly Saho and afar. Hence The Unfiying language between them Is Tigrigna since its mixture of those Groups. Bear In mind that those groups were the Natives of the land during Aumite Times.


But the bihir tigryans despise the tigrays from tigray region because there is bad blood between them an eritrean once told me the tigrayans were cheap labor in asmara they used to collect the garbage during the italian colonial era. And they used to claim eritrean or claimed that their mother was from hamasien.

The Bad Blood between them is mostly because for thousands of Years the Agazians never let the habesh Integrate/takeover the qabil, Offcourse there was times when tigrayans were doing low caste jobs In Asmara which added to their inferior complex, But The main hatred is more with History which Transformed through modern age under Nations and ethnic groups, The biher Tigrigna are composed of ancestory (Tigre/Saho/Beja) who are linked to Himyar, while The habesh were more Linked with semitic hadramut and Sabeans, those two had always tried to fight and controll each other, At the time of the prophet pbuh Birth the whole of Eritrea plus North Yemen (Himyar) and Today Djbouti were allies since they shared the same ancestory, While The north of Ethiopia + parts of somalia and south Yemen were Under the habesh controll. But at that time they had an alliance which made up the Axumite Empire Basically Midr Agaz'yan (Eritrea) + Himyar (North Yemen) and Habesh (North Ethiopia) + Hadramut (Yemen). Do you remember Abraha and elephant Sura In the Koran?? Well he was a habesh but Did you know an Agazian Prince was the one who cut his head off? The agazian prince name was Zura now many arab narrators claim his decendents are Mostly Eritreans Today, here is one which is very intresting when the first sahaba went to Eritrea, a sahabi narrate that once they entered the House of the Bahri negus resident The Himyar Prince/Chief was there from yemen and he stayed for few days and it make sense because Midr agaz'yan was pre-axumite and it consisted of Eritrea+East Sudan + djbouti and North Yemen Himyar. Offcourse once Islam took hold Himyar in Yemen folded and Hadarmut also folded absorbed into the Cliphate Rule while some Himyarite Migrated with their Kins to Eritrea and Habesh to North Ethiopia. Remember that Geez/the writing is Himyarite and not habesh/sabean. Since all the tigrayans and amharic today speak Himyarite language and write in their script its upsetting for them to still not be accepted as Himyarite/Agazian Blood. Just like bantu somali who speak somali are muslim today and have a culture very close to many somali's i doubt if they claim they are Isaaq they would Get the Nod.

The isaaq and darood hatred is not from the 80s it goes back to the 17 18 19 century. They used murder eachother raid each others camels steal each others woman. Plunder entire villages kill each others chiefs and sultans. And they used recite victory poems and compose all kind of poetry how they landgrabbed one tribe.. The isaaq had the upper hand in most of all these raids and gained lots of land and camels. The daarood wanted revenge of what happened in the late 19 century. So they used the somali army airforce in the 80s to fight against the isaaq there were even some darood poets who were making poems in the 80s wanted to get revenge against a poet who died in the 50s. But SNM the liberators of somaliland they got eventually the upperhand.

But do isaaq and darood share same ancestory??? Well your ancestors did what Nomadic people do best, Raid and keep the booty of war. It is sad though they did it to each other, if one set south and the other set west who knows how Africa would look like today.


But to get back to the afars in eritrea who do they marry the most
The saho or the bihir tigrinyas or themselves.


Afar marry afar the most obviously, laaakin many do marry saho too and some other ethnic group Including Tigrigna's (Jeberti) as long as they are muslims.
But who could Afford afar women?? they are beautiful and their family know their worth, Toooo expensive to marry an afar girl you have to get her gold to cover her feet to her Head. They are soo beautiful as well. My Grandmother Is Afar and my Grandfather family pulled their Hair for the costs of marrying Her but he loved her toooo much, She passed away before i was born but My parent used to tell me my Grandmother used to tell my Grandfather you are lucky you weren't asked to get diamonds instead of Gold and my grandfather used to say thank god because he wouldn't be able to get fake Diamonds then.looool

But ur right the tigrinya language the clear and pure version is spoken in eritrea the language came from geez
The tigrinya of the tigrayans is mixed with amhaarigna i knows this
But the bihir tigrinyas didnt trust the tigre they thought it was a muslim club elf in the sixties it was only the tigres.


Spot On. However The idea of ELF came earlier from the Rabita who were Jeberti Tigrigna and had support from some their Christian counterpart Tigrigna as well with afar/saho elders joining in, the early support for ELF financially came from Jeberti's,Tigre,saho,afar,beja and arab countries then soon after everyone joined in. at the start because the ELF didn't have a manifesto and the Ethiopian habesh inserted the idea it was a muslim club many Tigrigna were worried but once they found out it is to Free Eritrea from Ethiopia and regardless of religion everyone joined in, Offcourse later corruption and diversion of Idea harmed ELF which how EPLF was born, but ELF was the cradle and start of the liberation movement, isaias even had the command of the 7th ELF division at one stage.

Fighting it must be the muslim blood. So u see the bihir tigrinyans had big issues with agames
But back than haille selessie amhaara king and mengistu half bantu half amhaara were the leaders so they were oke with it.
But the tigres were muslim for them it was jihaad fi sabililah amhaaras are the enemies of allah.


Indeed, Eritrean Muslims are Humble but a volcano to be erupted as well, They have a hot blood which is on Cool temperature most of the time, The Tigrigna Christians also are Fighters since they share Blood ancestory with alot of Eritrean Muslims, They too also Fight. Both acknowledge Each other and respect their way of Life and their beliefs. Infact they have Fought alongside many times against habesh ethiopians when the odds would say its impossible, for example The metema battle in sudan was between King yohannes of Ethiopia VS the Mahdist of Sudan who his Soldiers were Mostly Beja + Eritrean Bani amer Horsemen and ERITREAN Tigrigna Christians, lol Biher tigrigna among the ranks of mahdist infantry and bani amer Tigre horsemen. King yohannes head was cut off and many claim that an Eritrean swordsman was the one who actually Cut his head off and put if on top of a spear (Revenge to what he did through his general Alula to the Biher Tigrigna and Eritreans of massacres). That is why some Habesh gets Boiled up when Eritrean tells them i or we will cut your head off since their famous kings like Yohannes/Abraha etc faced the same fate.lol




As for the cises one thing ur right they treat people like shit in djbouti airport i swear at them if they talk to me in french i force them to speak in somali. And i speak with a huge somailand accent so they feel a bit threatened lol.after i do that they help me right away but the ciises are not bad they may have bad policies and are a bit arrogant
But they dont have a bad heart waryaa they like the french they consider him ciise there is even a somali saying about that lol


Maybe it was a bad first impression, i will give them another chance then. :D


Maybe u should visit us in somaliland we will speak to u in arabic not french lol
We will show u where our stronghold was when we waged a jihaad against tbe abysinians in seylac
So many old buildings there one of the oldest mosques is located ther masjid al qbiblatayni.
We will show you imam ahmeds gurays forts. The climate is here perfect
I am in somaliland now posting from my phone lol.


Inshallah. I would like to go one day. you are lucky i feel jealous now i need a holiday. :)

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I know many Eritreans say that they taught the language to the Ethiopians or that of the geez script since they on the side of the sea and the Ethiopians are not. But it could be true it needs to be really studied how the language developed through out all of those years and centuries in Ethiopia and in Eritrea. as for the ethnicity of the peoples some amhaara scholars claim that they came from hamasien region of Eritrea the agames claim they migrated from Eritrea to the highlands of Ethiopia. The Eritreans well some of them claim they are agazians as u ancient babylonians when some still have the habesha identity eventhough the latest generation have no habesha connection the older generation who still speak Amhaarigna. I know this old Eritrean guy when his sons come to the shop he speaks to them in Tigrinya when ever he is dealing with Ethiopians he speaks in Amhaarigna and his kids ask dad what are u speaking and he tells them this language is no important to u guys its something of the past lol but If we go back to the history the history teaches us that the bahri negash the sea king of Eritrea prior to italian colonialism was settled in debarawa. But it included parts of the Tigray region of Ethiopia not all but ur right when u say it had nothing to do with the Abeseniya kingdom of the Ethiopians of Yohannes and menelik the second.Tell me about the bejas whend did they migrate to sudan since they are also Sudanis Peoples and tell me about the sahos the sahos are a very interesting tribe and their culture i like it allot. As for the Isaaqs and daaroods they do not share the same ancestory not even close they only speak the same language thats the only thing. They are each others worse enemies so much bad blood between them for centuries they will never trust each other not in a Million years they even pray in different mosques man.
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khalid ali wrote:I know many Eritreans say that they taught the language to the Ethiopians or that of the geez script since they on the side of the sea and the Ethiopians are not. But it could be true it needs to be really studied how the language developed through out all of those years and centuries in Ethiopia and in Eritrea.

The language development or how it passed through began in the 5th century AD, well you know now that the 2 main Kingdoms that made up the axumite were the midr agazyan + Himyar who spoke geez and north Ethiopia and south yemen who spoke Sabean which is habesh, when the axumite federation happened around 200 B.C both spoke their languages in their kingdoms That is why you see geez stele and artifacts in Eritrea and north yemen dating back from 2000 b.c but not in Ethiopia or south yemen which is sabean. Before the abraha and the elephant story south yemen was taken over by jews and established their kingdom there after they sacked the ruling family there who were alligned with north ethiopia, Since they were jews but also spoke sabean (same as habesh language) the king in north ethiopia was upset and the first order he made was to switch the language to Geez which is different and was only spoken by the people In eritrea and north yemen (Agazians=Geez) as it was their ancestorial Tongue, The king of ethiopia then didn't want to speak the same language as the jews of south yemen who took the rule as he identify them as infidels and he seeked help from the romans as well in dealing with this issue, anyway after a painful switch with many errors and trails it took 50-100 Years to fully convert the local population to speak geez language, sabean was spoken by few including todays harari people that is the language the ethiopian habesh spoke 1500 Years ago not geez as we see them today. At first they adopted the geez language but Mistakes were obvious like few artifacts from that time when switching the language they would Write "Ibn" which means son of which is also in arabic instead of the geez word which is "wed", after they fully adopted the language the question of the script arised, geez has more Letters and can not be correctly represented in the sabean script and it made a mess so they adopted the script soon after, By the end of 6th century AD they were fully Geez speaking territory and the old language was only spoken in southern small pockets in their kingdom. Obviously during this time they were able to mass an army under the leadership of "Abraha" kick the jews out of ruling south yemen which he did but got greedy and massed to Mecca and we all know what happened to his army, and upon his return a battle was fought with the Himyar prince "Zura" who defeated that army and cut off abraha's head. From then Ethiopia's habesh started speaking geez and writing in geez alphabet but they were still known as habesh while Most Eritreans and Himyar were known as "Welet Geez" sons and daughters of the geez people. So for ethiopians now with their so called history its tormenting for them to be asked by Eritreans as it is now a soverign nation Why are you Ethiopian speaking our language and writing in our scripts??? Funny Reaction you would get. Try it sometimes if you want to upset the ethiopian. If you look at kings pre 500 ad its very easy to know if they were habesh or Agazians, A famous sledge still remains today to tell ethiopians to "Take our Geez of your History" loooooooooool


as for the ethnicity of the peoples some amhaara scholars claim that they came from hamasien region of Eritrea the agames claim they migrated from Eritrea to the highlands of Ethiopia.

Yeah amhara say that because basically you can not be from Ethiopia and agazian, you must by logic originate from Eritrea, so they would try to link themselves to Eritrea to say we are also geez people and speak our ancestorial language, bear in mind they know you can't claim to be habesh and agazian in the same time both are different with completely different ancestory and history. The eritrean Government is preparing to have geez recognised as Eritrea's heritage as work is on the way of completing the Dahlaki language which is the Final prove/Link. I guess the amhara knows whats going on and want to be linked with Eritrea to claim that they too share ancestory by Giving up their habesh indentity.lol
The last thing amhara who are bit proud people want to hear is their language/Script is adopted, like telling a 40 Yrs old man he is adopted.lol



The Eritreans well some of them claim they are agazians as u ancient babylonians when some still have the habesha identity eventhough the latest generation have no habesha connection the older generation who still speak Amhaarigna.

Well if you go further Back we are all from Iraq, The name Tigre and xasa is being mentioned in babel since the third dynasty, Xasa is another word for the language of Tigre or Geez, Funny is that the 3rd Dynasty of Babylon were Know as The kassa, their language was similar to Geez and their capital name was Tigre, later named tigre-ashur.


I know this old Eritrean guy when his sons come to the shop he speaks to them in Tigrinya when ever he is dealing with Ethiopians he speaks in Amhaarigna and his kids ask dad what are u speaking and he tells them this language is no important to u guys its something of the past lol


Yeah Eritrean Like to show off when they know more than one language, I speak arabic fluently and i do find myself using it to speak to arabs all the time. I am sure if you were to speak Chinese you would be In china town using it, its a human thing to speak a language not native to you. it gives you sense of advantage i think.



but If we go back to the history the history teaches us that the bahri negash the sea king of Eritrea prior to italian colonialism was settled in debarawa. But it included parts of the Tigray region of Ethiopia not all but ur right when u say it had nothing to do with the Abeseniya kingdom of the Ethiopians of Yohannes and menelik the second.

Correct. Over the years offcourse and from the ongoing war with abbysinia both would take over a peice of the other territory but the border has always been the mereb river, it is the most obvious Border in all africa, That is why in the 1998-2000 War when meles invaded badme, All eritreans took it personally because they know that Ethiopians know that its across the mereb river historically and Colonially Its Eritrean Territory, so Eritrea took it personally not a misunderstanding as the ethiopian would now tell you as they were trying to provoke a war but Eritrea didn't bite the trap they knew by invading a town 15 km north of a historic border would send a subtle message to Eritreans "we really want to fight you".



Tell me about the bejas whend did they migrate to sudan since they are also Sudanis Peoples

The beja Migrated in many waves, First estimate is 6000 Years ago through Sinai.They are known as Bisharin Beja who many today claimed to be the new kingdom of ancient egypt. You also have the hedondwa beja who grow in size as more were absorbed into their group.Both these groups are in east sudan and south east egypt You also have The bani amer who many claim to be the purest beja who are mainly in Eritrea and also in east sudan, In sudan they are also known as XASA AND are kins to the bisharin beja directly, bani amer absorbed many people within its group though Arabs etc, in Eritrea they are known as to be linked to most eritreans today so Most Eritreans would regard the Bisharin Beja is their Uncle if you like. wave after wave for 5000 Years, the bisharin and hendondwa and other smaller beja tribes are believed to cross through sinai while The bani amer came through Yemen to eritrea as they are believed to be the Ancient Himyarite tribes. Bani amer speak mainly tigre and ta badawi while the others speak beja with some speaking tigre as a second language. The bani amer who were known to the ancient egyptian as ta xasa somehow switched to a semitic Tongue many believe it was prior to coming to yemen around 4000 Years ago, kassites were known as Ta-xasa to the ancient egyptians and kassites capital was Tigre, according to the tablets found The kassites mixed with the local population and inherited the language of the akkadians and added their native hamitic tongue to it. when the assyrains kicked them out after 600 Years of rule that is exactly when the appearence of the agazians/Tigre/Himyarite started in North yemen. Akkadian language and xasa or Tigre is identical except for the few hamitic words that is added to it. The Kassites were described as Kins to the canaanites Tribes and Ancient egyptians new kingdom people who lived close by in looks/Language culture and ancestory (beja who lived In north arabia and ancient egypt New kingdom pharohs who were decendents of earlier Bisharin beja), so in short Eritreans who are light in shade already came pre Mixed but unlike many others we conquered and did the deed for once :clap: One more thing according to ancient egyptian Pharoh of the kassite that they were kins and from the same ancestory and were allies in fighting against the hitites and the assyrian in juraslem, a kassite king also married one of the pharoh daughter they worshipped the same gods as well. One fun facts for you is that the Canaanite tribes including the kassites were also were strongly allied and closely related to people south of them from Havilah who were known as "Dir" :mrgreen: looool Ring a bell?? maybe Genetically we were always meant to help each other. :clap:



and tell me about the sahos the sahos are a very interesting tribe and their culture i like it allot.

I have deep respect for the saho, i really like them and lived among them In eritrea, they are soo nice but soooo brave. One old saying to Ethiopians during mengistu war was an eritrean pow was captured and was sent to holding prison, in there he met one saho fighters who was abit of high ranking, mengistu was going mad since the war was going against him and sent a top ethiopian officer to interogate the pow, he came in went to the saho prisoner and said "Give me Information or i will kill you" the saho pow replied by laughing and saying "i am not scared of death kill me now because you will not get any answers" the officer pulled his gun and shot him and died, then came to other non saho eritrean pow who was a believer in god, the officer said "Tell me what you know or you will get the same fate", the eritrean pow" smiled and said kill me as god is on my side", the officer obviously communist said how is god in your side??? The eritrean pow replied" Today i saw how god is in our side because he made the saho people Eritrean". Indeed for all the history of Eritrea the saho were among the first to fight and not fear death, today many of them are entrusted in eritrea's National Guard, In axumite Era the special army was all saho so when it came to war between Midri bahri and The negash of Ethiopia it was no match since the Ethiopian negash lost the control of its most fighting force, a force which kept axumite empire to be feared, but once civil war happened 90% of the army headed by the saho were on Midri bahri king side, If Eritrea was a body No doubt that the saho would be the heart of the body, they were known as ancient punt, their capital Qohito and their port Adula were famous, today there are over 40 Clans of the saho, Only 4 of them are considered to be the original pure saho, the others are mainly Agazians who adopted the saho culture and language, the saho language is 70% afar and 30% Geez today due to the mixing. The mixing started around 3000-4000 Years ago when the agazians from Himyar moved across the eritrean plateau and Established the d'mt Empire aka Midr agaz'yan with their new capital Matara, they were welcomed as the habesh who began settling in north ethiopia began harrasing the saho/afar Area's and breaching their land, since the habesh had an advance weaponry the saho saw the new arrivals as more than a match for the habesh in the highland of ethiopia, The agazians Unlike the habesh adopted the saho language and culture and assimilated into the society taking from the saho punt civilization and Created a unified Kingdom called Adulite with adu-la its main port and towns like matara/Hakir(senafe)/qohioto booming. The rest is history like they say.


As for the Isaaqs and daaroods they do not share the same ancestory not even close they only speak the same language thats the only thing. They are each others worse enemies so much bad blood between them for centuries they will never trust each other not in a Million years they even pray in different mosques man.

:shock: What? No way, Say wallahi. I always thought the isaaq and Darood share same ancestory but were having few feuds, They pray in different mosques??? that is extreme Man. To be Fair though i haven't met many Isaaq so i wouldn't know much of the feelings except for few from ogaden but they have other things to worry about like making Money and Ogaden i guess, In my City Most are either Haiwya or Daroods. The daroods came in early 90's and the haiwya in late 90's to early 00's. i would guess also that Intermarriage between darood and Isaaq is a big no no as well since they don't even attend the same mosque. wow you know if what you saying is even close to the truth i have to say i do respect restrain from somali belonging to both of these groups in here because according to what you say it seems like with all this Hatred you do find a way to be civilised about it. You should see The Eritrean forums some eritreans get happy and celebrate when an ethiopian Plane goes down or an ethiopian maid get raped beaten and killed in arab countries. Maybe with all the mess going on in somalia Allah swt gave somali a bigger Heart to deal with it wallahi.

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khalid what lies are you feeding midigreez, saying they pray at different mosques. :lol:
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But language develop through out the years even through inter acting Tigrinya of Ethiopia is not Pure Tigrniya as it was before of the Geez. or the Tigrinya of Eritrea is not even as pure as it was pure its heavily Arab Mixed and Afar and Tigre . So as for ancestry the Eritrean or the tigres and the Tigrinyas are related to the kassites of Ancient Babylon that still excludes the Bejas afar and sahos and raishada who are arabs. But the thing is Midrgeez even u having ur own identity the Ethiopian Agammes claim Agazian two the same with the Amhaaras the Amhaaras go even as far as saying we are from Eritrean origin not with those words but they are from the hamasien accoriding that is abeseniya in their mind. You're lucky the Tigrinya u lot speak is nothing like the Tigrinya the Ethiopians speak they would claim everything. Any way why did the Medra bahri King safe the Abesenian Empire when the Imam Ahmed and his forces broke the back of the Ethiopians was it because of the faith or anything else we know the the medra bahri Kingdom and the Abesynian Empire were not friends well atleast not in the 18 19 century But In the 16 century when the Ethiopian were losing it the Eritrean king saved the Ethiopian Empire why was that some say its because of Christianity some say the king at that time was having good relations with the Ethiopians. I think the bejas i love their clothingwear when i was in sudan i used to wear what they wear the bejas are the most interesting Tribe in East Africa. Heavily cultured and Muslim maybe i should marry from them lol

As for the Aksumite Empire when it is seen and compared to other countries majority of its was in modern day Eritrean and only the northern part of Ethiopia Yemen and southern saudi arabia and parts of sudan despite the capital of aksum being in Ethiopia names aksum. But the Aksumits were losing Arabia around 525 when Sumuafa Ashawa was deposed by Abraha, who made himself Emperor at that time you said he was killed by Beja tribesmen right its ironic thought Emperor Lalibella of Ethiopia said that he originated from the Aksumite Empire maybe from Emeror keleb this is what i hate about Ethiopians they are not clear who they orignate from even their so called sultanate Lalibella accoriding the Amhaaras he was not a Christian but a jew,But if ur saying the truth the geez script than was introduced during King Keleb reign of Aksum thats when the Ethiopians were picking and choosing what was given to them.

As for the daaroods and isaaqs the two tribes dont get along not polically not socially not historically they have been fighting for hunderds of Years anomosity is high no one trusts each other. the daaroods consider the isaaq the enemies of their grandfathers and the isaaq feel the same way about the daaroods. They hardly intermarry maybe 6%. The daaroods moslty mary from the Hawiyes and intermix allot with the Hawiyes. During the war in the 80s. Isaaq families with darood relatives were hardly even trusted even if they had distant cousins when the SNM leaders used to hold gatherings in some of the houses even the grandmother if she was a daarood used to spy for the Somalia dictatorial government.The daarood used to dissort the history of Somaliland and that of Somalia when the former dictatorial regime was in place. if you want to know who is who the daaroods like Mohammad siad bare the Hawiyes like Mohammad farah caydiid. If u praise Siad bare and and u see a guy smiling he is most likely a daarood if you praise Mohammad farah caydiid and u see a guy smiling he is most likely a Hawiye. if go to an 18 may party Somaliland and see every one smiling the mostly likely 80% all Isaaq. Here on Somalinet few years back ther was this guy Mukhtaar he was a legend his aunty married a daarood the biggest mistake according to him few years later they had kids she asked him to baby sit he wanted to gass them :lol:
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khalid ali wrote:But language develop through out the years even through inter acting Tigrinya of Ethiopia is not Pure Tigrniya as it was before of the Geez. or the Tigrinya of Eritrea is not even as pure as it was pure its heavily Arab Mixed and Afar and Tigre .

Well Language expands, for a starter The Tigrigna of Eritrea Dictionary is double The size of the ethiopian Tigrigna, That is because true to its Creation it has the sources next to it, for one Tigre is the most purest Geez you would get, so if a word is missing you can always look into the Tigre and adopt it since its geez and Geez is the main base of Tigrigna, sometimes people think Arabic words are used in Tigrigna but the fact is since geez and Arabic are semitic there are many words which are similar, same with somali and afar and beja since its afro asiatic languages, since Tigrigna always relies on old languages for its source whether its saho/afar/geez or Beja most of the words are picked accordingly, so 1400 Years ago since the Unifying language was created is a word to define a meaning is not there in Geez then an afar or beja alternative would do and get added in. The Language of Tigrigna was Created in Eritrea by a wave of Beja who came through During the Fall of Axum From Himyar, they were known as The belew kelew, Fierce Fighters they quickly Dominated the Highland of Eritrea taking over from their earlier Agazian waves who came thousands of Years before them, after moving around they established a power base In Seraye Region but were present in the other region like hamasien and Akele-Guzai, they spoke Beja and arabic But not Geez, so they tried to switch to Geez and along other Belew who settled In other region who interacted with the other groups like afar/saho etc slowly a new language emerged, converting to semitic tongue of Geez with beja and saho influence and since they had the arabic accent which they spoke as well Tigrigna was created in the 700's AD mainly around Seraye (Seraye Region is a beja name It means place of Governing), Tigrigna wasn't spoken In ethiopia till 1500's when gragn was defeated and the habesh invaded Eritrea again 800 Years after it was Created. for 800 Years the Tigrigna became dominant across the Eritrean Plains because it was easier to learn Tigrigna Than learning Saho/Afar/Tigre/Beja as Tigrigna Vocab and Grammer allowed Both Semitic and Kushtic to be inserted, Today there is qabils who their language is Equally Half Tigre (Geez) and half Tigrigna we say they still haven't made up their mind 1400 yrs later lol. The pure Tigrigna of Eritrea is very very harsh and on point, what you hear mostly is street Tigrigna Arabic/Italian mix what ever goes, but the real Tigrigna is very Hard man its like harsh and very Unromantic. If you hear a message alert in ERITV they always say the message in Pure tigrigna even for me its very Harsh, Tigre on the other hand is like the french very cute and seductive because its more pure from one source.



So as for ancestry the Eritrean or the tigres and the Tigrinyas are related to the kassites of Ancient Babylon that still excludes the Bejas afar and sahos and raishada who are arabs.

The Tigrigna/Tigre/Saho and Beja are from the same ancestory, The kassites split the Tigrigna/Tigre/saho from the Main Beja when they adopted the semitic tongue and mixed with semitic people mainly by invading them. 90% of the saho share the same ancestory with Tigre who are also the same as the Tigrigna people of Eritrea, The Eritrean Tigrigna Qabil Name is Kabassa, Ka-ba-sa, so if you ask an Eritrean Tigrigna where you from he would say Biher Tigrigna and if you ask what Qabil you are he would Say "Kabassa", Meaning The highland Tigre's while the Tigre are also known as Metahet meaning Lowlanders, basically Highland Tigre and Lowland Tigre.



But the thing is Midrgeez even u having ur own identity the Ethiopian Agammes claim Agazian two the same with the Amhaaras the Amhaaras go even as far as saying we are from Eritrean origin not with those words but they are from the hamasien accoriding that is abeseniya in their mind.

Yesterday they claimed they are habesh for Hadramut, then jews from Jueraslem, today they are claiming to be ancestors of Ancient Egyptians and agazians from Eritrea, Tomorrow they will claim to be the Real somali's, wait few more years and they would claim they are ancient Chinese.



You're lucky the Tigrinya u lot speak is nothing like the Tigrinya the Ethiopians speak they would claim everything. Any way why did the Medra bahri King safe the Abesenian Empire when the Imam Ahmed and his forces broke the back of the Ethiopians was it because of the faith or anything else we know the the medra bahri Kingdom and the Abesynian Empire were not friends well atleast not in the 18 19 century But In the 16 century when the Ethiopian were losing it the Eritrean king saved the Ethiopian Empire why was that some say its because of Christianity some say the king at that time was having good relations with the Ethiopians. I think the bejas i love their clothingwear when i was in sudan i used to wear what they wear the bejas are the most interesting Tribe in East Africa. Heavily cultured and Muslim maybe i should marry from them lol

What happened with ahmed Gragn was Flip flopping due to the external forces that got involved, at that time Eritrea and the beja confiderncy was declining from an 800 Year Gold Time in Eritrea's History, so Golden was we even Created a language that is Unique today Truly Made In Africa, arts trade was booming all the way to todays somaliland including the port town of Ziela, even forigners would come to Eritrea and stay there arabs/Indians traders. across the border the habesha were getting stronger and didn't attack midri bahri because it was still considered powerfull enough to Fight so the habesh went south into afar/somali Territory, meanwhile all along the coast from south east egypt trade and people moved around so the border was open. when ahmed gragn defeated the habesh king he first fled westward toward kenya/uganda which ahmed gragn used that time to burn everything in habesha land, everything was burned to the ground, once he finished he returned to the south, Now across him was Midri bahri with its churches and the Muslim population who had freedom, Now at that time they were allies some oral reasoning is because Gragn was known as gragn the belew and some claim that he went to somaliland today but his family might have originated In Eritrea where many arab lived, Ethiopian refered belew as any one who came from arabia and settled In Eritrea, Regardless of his origin since he was a pious man he knew not to attack the churches of Midri bahri unless he is provoked since the prophet PBUH put their people in high regards for sheltering His companions and his daughter RA. from here it gets tricky and i tell you why when the ethiopian king re-established himself and returned and raised an army he seeked help from the portuguese who were in an expansion mood at that time so they answered his call, in return Gragn seeked help from the ottomans where the first thing they did was to occupy massawa, so the ottomans had a secondry agenda, the midri bahri King knew the ottomnas were allies with gragn and understood now he can't avoid the war and has to get involve, but on which side???Gragn is an ally but the ottomans are pushing from the coast, he probarly thought that it was easier to deal with the ottomans who were directly threatning his land than the ethiopians who are across the border, upon hearing that the ethiopian king use the religion card and offered alliance, you can't blame the midri bahri king war came to him, what he didn't know was after the defeat of gragn the ottomans stayed and had a stronghold in massawa while the ethiopian King invaded Eritrea, he allied himself with the ethiopian King only to fight against him soon after, His name was king isaac he is considered a patriot by Eritreans since he fought with his sword till death in his palace in the capital debarwa, Didn't escape his Land and People, it was estmated that the ethiopian king army was 100,000 mainly non habesh slaves they inserted into the army against King isaac who had an army 1/5 of that, 300 Years before the midri bahri army was estimated at 200,000-300,000, so they fought for days till King isaac was left and it took many ethiopian soldiers to kill him, dying with his blood getting soaked up by eritrean soil, He was betrayed by the ethiopian king, that is why they say never ever trust Ethiopians their heart means something else while their mouth is speak different words.


As for the Aksumite Empire when it is seen and compared to other countries majority of its was in modern day Eritrean and only the northern part of Ethiopia Yemen and southern saudi arabia and parts of sudan despite the capital of aksum being in Ethiopia names aksum. But the Aksumits were losing Arabia around 525 when Sumuafa Ashawa was deposed by Abraha, who made himself Emperor at that time you said he was killed by Beja tribesmen right its ironic thought Emperor Lalibella of Ethiopia said that he originated from the Aksumite Empire maybe from Emeror keleb this is what i hate about Ethiopians they are not clear who they orignate from even their so called sultanate Lalibella accoriding the Amhaaras he was not a Christian but a jew,But if ur saying the truth the geez script than was introduced during King Keleb reign of Aksum thats when the Ethiopians were picking and choosing what was given to them.


well the official report states that abraha died when retreating to yemen after birds throw tiny things (which is in the koran) and his fingers were falling off and he was bleeding, but many narrators also say that during his retreat the Himyarite Prince intercepted him and cut his head off where his body was never recovered, many claim it was Dhi Yazan.

Himyarite were mixed arabs/beja like the belew kelew Beja and other Tribes. They were christians then converted to Judaism and forced mass conversion in arabia (They f****d Sh*t up in arabia massacring 20,000 Christians), at that time most were idol worshippers/Jews, they have converted they are not Jews themselves, when many of them came to eritrea they converted to christianity and many today are muslims. what a 360 degree they done huh. Laaakin they are the best people to deal with habesh wallahi.lol

Zura (Joseph) Dhu Nuwas was a fervent Jew. He decided to make it his mission to force all the Christians of Najran to convert to Judaism - conversion, or death. They refused to give way, so were forced to dig trenches for their own bodies, and in an appalling massacre some 20,000 Christians were either burnt, mutilated or put to the sword. The region became known as Ukhdud (Ar. trenches). The martyrs included Abdullah b. Thamir, whose body was apparently exhumed in the caliphate of Umar. It was discovered buried in a sitting position with his hand over the wound on his head – which was said to have bled when they tried to move it away. On his finger was a ring inscribed ‘Allah is my Lord’ – ‘al-Lah’ being the Arabic for ‘the Almighty’. Umar had him carefully reburied. As we can see we have been doing rwanda On habesh since old ages.looooool

As for the daaroods and isaaqs the two tribes dont get along not polically not socially not historically they have been fighting for hunderds of Years anomosity is high no one trusts each other. the daaroods consider the isaaq the enemies of their grandfathers and the isaaq feel the same way about the daaroods. They hardly intermarry maybe 6%. The daaroods moslty mary from the Hawiyes and intermix allot with the Hawiyes. During the war in the 80s. Isaaq families with darood relatives were hardly even trusted even if they had distant cousins when the SNM leaders used to hold gatherings in some of the houses even the grandmother if she was a daarood used to spy for the Somalia dictatorial government.The daarood used to dissort the history of Somaliland and that of Somalia when the former dictatorial regime was in place. if you want to know who is who the daaroods like Mohammad siad bare the Hawiyes like Mohammad farah caydiid. If u praise Siad bare and and u see a guy smiling he is most likely a daarood if you praise Mohammad farah caydiid and u see a guy smiling he is most likely a Hawiye. if go to an 18 may party Somaliland and see every one smiling the mostly likely 80% all Isaaq. Here on Somalinet few years back ther was this guy Mukhtaar he was a legend his aunty married a daarood the biggest mistake according to him few years later they had kids she asked him to baby sit he wanted to gass them :lol:

Wow man that is very deeeeep, i never thought it was that serious, yet you also neighbour each other too, it seems that darood are hated by both haiwya and isaaq then, hmmm that is no good for them i guess. Are there like darood in somaliland and isaaq in Puntland??? what is the composition in ogaden??? from what you saying its very hard to fix things. Is there accent different can you tell which qabil someone is from by listening to him speaking somali??? Maybe islam can heal things in the future, i always felt there was qabil friction with many somali friends at school, but maybe i was sparred the hatred because i wasn't even somali, but from memory sometimes it was bad like another somali can't sit eat with us because of something, i always thought they are just giving him hard times because he was from a different city or something, once i relaised it was a qabil issue i was like maybe its more rivarly than Hate, but the way you are describing it there is a lot of deep buried hatred, wallahi that is no good, Now i understand why Isaaq are very serious about creating somaliland, They would rather seperate from darood under one nation than re-establishing somalia with Haiwya which i understand from your post get along alot. allah yustur.
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He's lying to you, he just happens to be from a place where his camels don't graze too far and is kind of xenophobic about everybody.
although there is some hostility it's no where near the level he is saying.
as much as he hates them some of us would not be here if what he is saying is true. :lol:
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Well midrigeez about the bejas and their ancestry some geneologist say that they were sabeans from yemen mixed with agazian on their maternal side. So them sharing the same ancestors as the amhaara semites not all just section and that the tigrinya eritreans and tigre have most likely the same ancestors not so sure about the sahos I don't know about them. When did they convert to islam I know the tigres right away in the seventh century as for the agames it makes perfect sense that theym learned the language from the eritreans.does asmara have a museum about the original tigrinya script something like that would be very interesting.
As for bahri negash well I understand what you are saying that bahri negash wanted to keep hin independency from the turks could he not strike a deal because we destroyed their churches already.
The adal empire and the turks were allied but that didn't mean the adal empire was part of ottoman empire
The problem is with eritreans u guys get tricked always by ethiopians. I know the king didn't want to lose masawa the port town
And there is not record of the imam going to kenya where do you get that from.
You guys shouldve been the allies of the imam and strike a deal with the turks the turks would leave any ways. The ethiopians were the bigger evil. But the medra bahri sultanate was a christian one so they felt threatend. But look at them today isias is being accused of supporting somali islamists him a christian lol
As for the isaaq and daarood the animosity between them is so high that the former somali republic was destroyed by that
In somaliland there are some daaroods but they are very small they share the same traditions and culture as the rest of the somalilandersm there are no isaaq in somalia. Isaaq mostly live in somaliland and in the somali region of ethiopia and parts of djbouti. While daarood and hawiye are both from somalia. Daarood hawiye fought only in 1991 but they get along fine they intemarry allot and share the same country. In the ogaden region isaaq and daarod live together eventhought lots of wars were fought there the situation there is calm now and they get along for now.
But only this has to happen and ancient rivalry will spring up.
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Samatr wrote:Midigreez

He's lying to you, he just happens to be from a place where his camels don't graze too far and is kind of xenophobic about everybody.
although there is some hostility it's no where near the level he is saying.
as much as he hates them some of us would not be here if what he is saying is true. :lol:

I don't Know, That is what i was thinking too as i see darood and isaaq interacting here alot, But khalid_ali has been consistent with this so i do have to Trust him when he tells me that, maybe its hidden feeling among somali that is not visible to the outsiders.
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[quote="khalid ali"]Well midrigeez about the bejas and their ancestry some geneologist say that they were sabeans from yemen mixed with agazian on their maternal side. So them sharing the same ancestors as the amhaara semites not all just section and that the tigrinya eritreans and tigre have most likely the same ancestors.

Correct. Except for the fact amhara and beja/Eritreans share anything, They even look different. people don't pay close attention but there is difference between how Eritreans and ethiopians look, Ethiopians are shorter with bigger eye socket and Flatry looking Face/Head looking like \ and shorter necks, Eritreans have longer neck and straight Features and are much taller. Amahara were of habesh Invaders and agew Mix Not agazians. Its like saying Darood ancestor was persian Not arab a darood might tell me arab and persian are different. Habesh and agazians were as different as Persians and Arabs.

not so sure about the sahos I don't know about them. When did they convert to islam I know the tigres right away in the seventh century as for the agames it makes perfect sense that theym learned the language from the eritreans.

Depending on which saho clan but the Original saho clans converted the same time as The most of the red sea afars roughly 800-1000 Years ago now, the remaining majority saho clans who are not real saho in origin Rather Tigre Converted anywhere from the sahaba migration 1430 Years ago till 200 Years ago, like i said depends On the clan. Today all Saho In Eritrea are muslims.


does asmara have a museum about the original tigrinya script something like that would be very interesting.

Yes they do, The earliest Writing In tigrigna modified Geez Script is 800-900 Years ago.

As for bahri negash well I understand what you are saying that bahri negash wanted to keep hin independency from the turks could he not strike a deal because we destroyed their churches already.

Exactly, what would somaliland do now if somalia+all of ethiopia goes to war with each other. you would try to stay away as much as you can.

The adal empire and the turks were allied but that didn't mean the adal empire was part of ottoman empire

Correct. They were allies since ahmed gragn asked the ottoman for help to counter the portuguese. However the turks had another plan of theirs which was to gain a stronghold on the region.

The problem is with eritreans u guys get tricked always by ethiopians. I know the king didn't want to lose masawa the port town

Always the case, Ethiopians have a good way of acting like miskeens and convince you that they mean good. These days Eritreans have had enough and don't fall for their Tricky ways.

And there is not record of the imam going to kenya where do you get that from.

Not the Imam, The ethiopian king Fled from Gragn in the first days of the war towards an area Towards kenyan border is today , that is when grag forces burned everything to the ground in North ethiopia their king were missing lol, the ethiopian kings have a habit of running away from their kingdom or people when invading forces come to their land, instead of facing them and dying for their land and people.

You guys shouldve been the allies of the imam and strike a deal with the turks the turks would leave any ways. The ethiopians were the bigger evil. But the medra bahri sultanate was a christian one so they felt threatend. But look at them today isias is being accused of supporting somali islamists him a christian lol

Striking a deal with the ottomans wouldn't have worked, they would've turned. They had an expansion plan to do. the ethiopians were a trap we know and fell to it thanks to the ottomans, we were allies with gragn but the turks ruined it. The midri bahri sultanate was christian but within that there was muslim provinces like in massawa/asseb/east sudan.. basically a republic federation style like the d'mt kingdom and axumite eritreans where you rule your own land with your own way and own laws and pay small tax which goes for an army to defend everyone. The eritrean christians are different to ethiopian christian when it comes to islam, eritrean christians actually should be given more credits they sheltered the sahaba but don't brag about it they allowed mosques to be build in their heartland when only one muslim family is present usually by money and labour donated from the christians, the see muslims and arabs as an opportunity instead of a threat to work with in commerce/Trade etc. Aravic today is an official language in Eritrea where in Ethiopia you won't find one ethiopian academic who knows anything about arabs. its easy to see who is more pro-active and open minded to represent the axumite empire, Ethiopians are too village minded due to their Nature. Isias is fluent in arabic fos7a as well while meles isn't. Ethiopians think arabs are enemy, Eritreans think arabs are neighbours for thousands of Years and helped us with our liberation and our refugees, there are 300 million arabs with 24 countries and some of them are rich and advanced, Why won't we benefit from that at least they tend to see us favourably, now you got eritran christian learning arabic why not it opens up a bigger market for them to study or even for business.


As for the isaaq and daarood the animosity between them is so high that the former somali republic was destroyed by that
In somaliland there are some daaroods but they are very small they share the same traditions and culture as the rest of the somalilandersm there are no isaaq in somalia. Isaaq mostly live in somaliland and in the somali region of ethiopia and parts of djbouti. While daarood and hawiye are both from somalia. Daarood hawiye fought only in 1991 but they get along fine they intemarry allot and share the same country. In the ogaden region isaaq and daarod live together eventhought lots of wars were fought there the situation there is calm now and they get along for now.
But only this has to happen and ancient rivalry will spring up.[/
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I see, So would you say That Isaaq/Darood animosity is worst Than Darood/Hawiya anomisty????

What do you mean by in ogaden the isaaq and darood get along for now???
do you think there is unsolved or Burried issues which may arise???
would you object to ogaden joining somalia????
Are there any haiwya in ogaden????
you said there was isaaq in Djbouti enough to make a coup and take power from Issa?? :twisted:
What does this word mean a somali used to say it to me in high school "wohomateey"???
Can you tell a somali from his qabil by his somali accent???
I have a somali who lived In my street but he is from Kenya wallahi he is nice what are the somali in kenya??darood or haiwya???


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:lol: @MidriGeez's questions. Are you Afar by any chance?
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