Presidential Candidate From Somaliland state

[The`Republic]

Gurey seriously though, there are two issues:

1. Your disagreement wth Hussein's stance
2. Your attempt to "handle" it even through violence


I said you have every right to disagree. I also agreed you have no right to deny him his right as a free Somali man or to hold him accountable to a fictional state's political limbo.

[original dervish]

He seems like a very capable politician who wants to serve his country

[Cirwaaq]

I am sorry, I am confused or is there a Somaliland state, legitimate, internationally recognized, a party to the international system, and a signatory of international law?

I don't know if we are talking about is a perfectly legitimate existing country or some African faction's dusty break-away fiefdom somewhere in a primitive corner of the African continent?

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.

[gurey25]

Gurey seriously though, there are two issues:

1. Your disagreement wth Hussein's stance
2. Your attempt to "handle" it even through violence


I said you have every right to disagree. I also agreed you have no right to deny him his right as a free Somali man or to hold him accountable to a fictional state's political limbo.

1.His stance would not be a problem if he was not attempting to represent a people that did not vote for him or agree with his personal political views.
2. As i said every country has severe punishments for treason in their legal books, in this case it is clear to anyone that it is warranted.

again i would not care what he does but attempting to involve us in your primitive , dysfunctional AU trusteeship
will not work.

I have advised you many times before.
Tend to your own problems which are myriad , delving into political issues which do not concern you may make you feel important,
but it takes focus away from your issues.

[gurey25]

I am sorry, I am confused or is there a Somaliland state, legitimate, internationally recognized, a party to the international system, and a signatory of international law?

I don't know if we are talking about is a perfectly legitimate existing country or some African faction's dusty break-away fiefdom somewhere in a primitive corner of the African continent?

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.

no that wont do, logical arguments will be scoffed at by those undergoing qabiilist angst and other turbulent emotions.

i suggest you stick to qabiil provocations like before.

[The`Republic]

Ironically enough, you are actually the one who should be prosecuted for treason under the entire international law code.

[Cirwaaq]

I am sorry, I am confused or is there a Somaliland state, legitimate, internationally recognized, a party to the international system, and a signatory of international law?

I don't know if we are talking about is a perfectly legitimate existing country or some African faction's dusty break-away fiefdom somewhere in a primitive corner of the African continent?

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.

no that wont do, logical arguments will be scoffed at by those undergoing qabiilist angst and other turbulent emotions.

i suggest you stick to qabiil provocations like before.

I might get prosecuted by the Animal welfare groups

[gurey25]

treason does not come under international law.

common you can do better than that.

treason can only be prosecuted by an existing state according to its own legal code.

now tell me is Somalia going to prosecute me?

Somalia that does not exist.

[SultanOrder]

I am sorry, I am confused or is there a Somaliland state, legitimate, internationally recognized, a party to the international system, and a signatory of international law?

I don't know if we are talking about is a perfectly legitimate existing country or some African faction's dusty break-away fiefdom somewhere in a primitive corner of the African continent?

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.

Cirwaaq in your own logic the british Somaliland that became a state and Italian Somaliland both ceased to exist when they made their union, or we can say that British Somaliland ceased to exist when it became part of Italian Somaliland. This Resulted into the Republic of Somalia. So if the Republic of Somalia is considered as non existent then any state that is formed within the former territories of the Republic of Somalia is a new state that came into existence, with a new social contract. If we follow your logic that Somaliland has a right to exist because it was the former state that resulted from British Somaliland, then the Republic of Somalia has a right to exist in all it's former territory. And that the 4.5 state which is born from the ashes of the Somalia Republic has just as much right to claim Somaliland as Somaliland has a right to claim pre-union Somaliland.

[greenday]

I have a crush on him so

[Thuganomics]

Basic logic 101.

2 States joined to form the "Republic of Somalia" by means of majority acceptance and demand. In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance.

By default if one state is considered as non existent like wise it's former partner in union is also a Non entity state since it does not control both states nor reestablished it's own former border or sovereignty.

Somalia is a non entity unless it is able to exert it's force not only within it's own borders by also the territory of it's former Union member. Alternative is to itself re-declare own independence.

Can't have it any clearer that that

[Thuganomics]

Cirwaaq in your own logic the british Somaliland that became a state and Italian Somaliland both ceased to exist when they made their union, or we can say that British Somaliland ceased to exist when it became part of Italian Somaliland. This Resulted into the Republic of Somalia. So if the Republic of Somalia is considered as non existent then any state that is formed within the former territories of the Republic of Somalia is a new state that came into existence, with a new social contract. If we follow your logic that Somaliland has a right to exist because it was the former state that resulted from British Somaliland, then the Republic of Somalia has a right to exist in all it's former territory. And that the 4.5 state which is born from the ashes of the Somalia Republic has just as much right to claim Somaliland as Somaliland has a right to claim pre-union Somaliland.

PO;So you''re telling us when Syria seceded from it's union with Egypt it wasn't a legitimate act and that it's still called The United Arab Republic Does its territory still remain within a phantom country called UAR and are it'sboarders illegal,Also has Egypt never referred back to it's pre union name but it is still also called The United Arab Republic legally

[SultanOrder]

thug, I'm attacking Cirwaaq's line of reasoning to create a legitimacy for present Somaliland state and using it against somaliland in favor of 4.5 state claiming somaliland. In my view it is a stronger argument to say that after the collapse of the Republic of Somalia, people came together to form a new social contract of governance that is the new state called Somaliland.

[Cirwaaq]

thug, I'm attacking Cirwaaq's line of reasoning to create a legitimacy for present Somaliland state and using it against somaliland in favor of 4.5 state claiming somaliland. In my view it is a stronger argument to say that after the collapse of the Republic of Somalia, people came together to form a new social contract of governance that is the new state called Somaliland.

You missed the pivot of my statement!

Who does the 4.5 government represent? Silanyo was elected by a majority vote on his own soil over a Million Somalis voted in the ELECTIONS.

Less then 1000 people will SELECT a 4.5 president.

Who has legitimacy?

I would worry more about defending this guy in court when a serious Government is established




Say no to rape!!!

[SultanOrder]

Cirwaaq, your right in that I missed the pivot of your statement. The only thing I disagree is this, "In a circumstance where one state has withdrawn from that agreement by the same means into which it entered it in the first place via majority demand and acceptance." Unless, the states are distinct and separate but in some kind of confederacy, like emirates, it can not withdraw it's agreement because it dissolves itself and becomes a part of a whole, indistinguishable from the whole. Otherwise, I agree with the rest, Somaliland is a legitimate state, while 4.5 state claims to be one.