Rare video clip of Mogadishu

[GIJaamac]

To be honest, Muqdisho was never developed like the other afrcan capitals. Waxbo been yaan laysku sheegin. The tallest building in Xamar and Somalia was Seybiaano, a six storey building without elevator. About 70 % of Xamar's roads were not paved. Unemployment was rampant. Kacaan did really fuck up the economy.
Muqdisho can just go up from now and the golden days of Xamar cadde are certainly ahead of us.

[BuuloXubeey]

To be honest, Muqdisho was never developed like the other afrcan capitals. Waxbo been yaan laysku sheegin. The tallest building in Xamar and Somalia was Seybiaano, a six storey building without elevator. About 70 % of Xamar's roads were not paved. Unemployment was rampant. Kacaan did really fuck up the economy.
Muqdisho can just go up from now and the golden days of Xamar cadde are certainly ahead of us.

Tall buildings is not a sign of economy growth neither does it proof development. Mogadishu during Kacaan era was known to be the most safest city in whole of Africa. It was known to be the most cleanest and most beautiful city in Africa. When Kacaan took over Somalia there was only 1 road in Mogadishu and few houses. There was only 4 districts in Mogadishu when Kacaan took over. Madiina, Hawlwadaag, Kaaraan, Heliwaa, Hodan etc all these district was created during the Kacaan days. The population of Mogadishu was less than 100,000 before 1969 and when Kacaan took over, all the people of the regions flooded to the capital and took big opportunities. As always in developed countries the capital serves a hub.

There was actually reasonable employment rate in Somalia. Factories were introduced, and Siad Barre promoted industrialization of the country.He promoted that Somalis should become resourceful. The amount of Somalis leaving the country was very low for jobs and the few were students that were given educational scholarships. Somalia had a positive image to the rest of the world and also its own country.

[Casanova25]

To be honest, Muqdisho was never developed like the other afrcan capitals. Waxbo been yaan laysku sheegin. The tallest building in Xamar and Somalia was Seybiaano, a six storey building without elevator. About 70 % of Xamar's roads were not paved. Unemployment was rampant. Kacaan did really fuck up the economy.
Muqdisho can just go up from now and the golden days of Xamar cadde are certainly ahead of us.

Tall buildings is not a sign of economy growth neither does it proof development. Mogadishu during Kacaan era was known to be the most safest city in whole of Africa. It was known to be the most cleanest and most beautiful city in Africa. When Kacaan took over Somalia there was only 1 road in Mogadishu and few houses. There was only 4 districts in Mogadishu when Kacaan took over. Madiina, Hawlwadaag, Kaaraan, Heliwaa, Hodan etc all these district was created during the Kacaan days. The population of Mogadishu was less than 100,000 before 1969 and when Kacaan took over, all the people of the regions flooded to the capital and took big opportunities. As always in developed countries the capital serves a hub.

There was actually reasonable employment rate in Somalia. Factories were introduced, and Siad Barre promoted industrialization of the country.He promoted that Somalis should become resourceful. The amount of Somalis leaving the country was very low for jobs and the few were students that were given educational scholarships. Somalia had a positive image to the rest of the world and also its own country.

the greatest Lie told in here so far.....

[BuuloXubeey]

Casanova clear to explain what I lied about?

[Casanova25]

Mogadishu was always well built city. from way back to 13-14-15-16-17 before the gumeysi xataa.

pic from 1950




from 1936


for more pic...
http://mogadishuimages.wordpress.com/ca ... otographs/

according to the safety situation under said barre. there was all kinds of theives out in night times. sometimes they arrested close to 1000 theives in one night. there was different kinds of theives with different names. there was a ciyaal gangs. WHO fear no one even the gov't could not stop ciyaal faacali. while they used batteri against civilians..

100.000 in Mogadishu before 1969.. baseless claim and no one could have gotten the true number. but it was far more then 100.000

[Based]

Spare me the bullshit..

Your whole thesis is based on the USC and their failure. Your argument is that the Somali liberation movements didn't result in a viable government so the Kacaan and Afweyne are not only justified but according to you they were a better solution.

No, their actions are not necessarily justified but there is absolutely no doubt that a flawed government is infinitely preferable to the anarchy and balkanization that has characterized Somalia since their overthrowal. The claims of MSB somehow being responsible for the actions (or rather, inaction) of those who overthrew him are nothing short of ridiculous.

Why are you overlooking the SNM and their efforts to bring about a democratic change that has lasted from 91 till now? Compared to Meles and his EPRDF, international observers have hailed the elections that took place in Somaliland and the democracy & freedom.

While the SNM did manage to avoid some of the mistakes made by the various other rebel groups, their inability to compromise with their co-conspirators and establish a national government better than the one they helped to overthrow only highlights their role in the anarchy that resulted. Establishing an unrecognized and impoverished clan enclave might be preferable to the mindless anarchy of Southern Somalia, but cannot compare with Somalia's previous state nor does it absolve them of their actions.

[BuuloXubeey]

Casanova,

Mogadishu was only 4 districts before 1969. The population in 1950 was less than 100,000 from the statistic someone brought here recently about clan demography of Mogadishu. The famous art where camels entered the city indicated the rapid population increase of the capital when the Kacaan came into power.

Cabdiaziiz, Boondheere, Xamarweyne, Shigaani etc.

Those buildings were built by the Italians. And before gumeysii Mogadishu houses where huts and few houses, and few historic buildings such as the old Mosque etc.

This is a quote about Mogadishu during the kacaan days:

Mogadishu was once one of the most beautiful and peaceful cities of the Horn of Africa, thereby earning the name “the city of peace.”

Mogadishu was the most safest and cleanest city in whole of Africa during the Kacaan. This is not a fairy tale it is facts. Go ask your parents if they lived Mogadishu how safe it was. You will never hear of robbery, gun attacks, bandits etc. Not only was the capital secure. But even villages had police station and law and order.

[Casanova25]

The sad fact is that you Guys came to xamar first in 1960 out of the wilderness or desert. thats the truth, it might be ugly according to you. but stiil the fact

[BuuloXubeey]

And again, that is the old part of Mogadishu. It currently is 25% of Mogadishu. Neither were those buildings built by any Somali state but the Italians.

[Casanova25]

Casanova,

Mogadishu was only 4 districts before 1969. The population in 1950 was less than 100,000 from the statistic someone brought here recently about clan demography of Mogadishu. The famous art where camels entered the city indicated the rapid population increase of the capital when the Kacaan came into power.

Cabdiaziiz, Boondheere, Xamarweyne, Shigaani etc.

Those buildings were built by the Italians. And before gumeysii Mogadishu houses where huts and few houses, and few historic buildings such as the old Mosque etc.

This is a quote about Mogadishu during the kacaan days:

Mogadishu was once one of the most beautiful and peaceful cities of the Horn of Africa, thereby earning the name “the city of peace.”

Mogadishu was the most safest and cleanest city in whole of Africa during the Kacaan. This is not a fairy tale it is facts. Go ask your parents if they lived Mogadishu how safe it was. You will never hear of robbery, gun attacks, bandits etc. Not only was the capital secure. But even villages had police station and law and order.

Mogadishu was 4 large parts. and then the new districts came. but its not like you Guys builded like 16 districts..

Mogadishu were a large city and advanced way back to 1331 according to ibn battuta and it had actully 4 floor houses really tall once way back in 15 Century.

[Casanova25]

And again, that is the old part of Mogadishu. It currently is 25% of Mogadishu. Neither were those buildings built by any Somali state but the Italians.

woow.. are u trying to tell us that the kacaan builed 75% of a city that holds 3 million people from 1969-91.. while somalia was in war from 77 to 91

Mogadishu was a large city like really large city for 1000 years. come to the reality

[Kabriid]

Spare me the bullshit..

Your whole thesis is based on the USC and their failure. Your argument is that the Somali liberation movements didn't result in a viable government so the Kacaan and Afweyne are not only justified but according to you they were a better solution.

No, their actions are not necessarily justified but there is absolutely no doubt that a flawed government is infinitely preferable to the anarchy and balkanization that has characterized Somalia since their overthrowal. The claims of MSB somehow being responsible for the actions (or rather, inaction) of those who overthrew him are nothing short of ridiculous.

Why are you overlooking the SNM and their efforts to bring about a democratic change that has lasted from 91 till now? Compared to Meles and his EPRDF, international observers have hailed the elections that took place in Somaliland and the democracy & freedom.

While the SNM did manage to avoid some of the mistakes made by the various other rebel groups, their inability to compromise with their co-conspirators and establish a national government better than the one they helped to overthrow only highlights their role in the anarchy that resulted. Establishing an unrecognized and impoverished clan enclave might be preferable to the mindless anarchy of Southern Somalia, but cannot compare with Somalia's previous state nor does it absolve them of their actions.

Afweyne was responsible for everything that happened from 69 to 91 and thats it. However his negative impact still haunts Somalis in Somalia.

Most members of the SNM wanted to regain the long lost sovereignty of Somaliland and there were some who wanted a new union with equal powersharing nonetheless the people of Somaliland got the chance to decide their future and the future of their country. It had nothing to do with Caydiid and Cali Mahdi and the fact that you call Somaliland a clan enclave only proves the unwillingness of giving credit where its due.

[Based]

Afweyne was responsible for everything that happened from 69 to 91 and thats it.

Childish insults aside, I'm pleased you finally agree with me.

However his negative impact still haunts Somalis in Somalia.

Pure conjecture.

Most members of the SNM wanted to regain the long lost sovereignty of Somaliland and there were some who wanted a new union with equal powersharing nonetheless the people of Somaliland got the chance to decide their future and the future of their country. It had nothing to do with Caydiid and Cali Mahdi and the fact that you call Somaliland a clan enclave only proves the unwillingness of giving credit where its due.

Almost every report I've read about the SNM indicates they were initially a unionist organization until their disagreements with the other rebel movements. As for the clan enclave bit, it wasn't intended as an insult but rather as an accurate description of the facts on the ground. All the statelets of the Somali Republic are clan-based, regardless of whether or not they have pretensions of statehood. We obviously share different political beliefs regarding the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Somali Republic, but that is a discussion for another thread.

[Kabriid]

Afweyne was responsible for everything that happened from 69 to 91 and thats it.

Childish insults aside, I'm pleased you finally agree with me.

However his negative impact still haunts Somalis in Somalia.

Pure conjecture.

Most members of the SNM wanted to regain the long lost sovereignty of Somaliland and there were some who wanted a new union with equal powersharing nonetheless the people of Somaliland got the chance to decide their future and the future of their country. It had nothing to do with Caydiid and Cali Mahdi and the fact that you call Somaliland a clan enclave only proves the unwillingness of giving credit where its due.

Almost every report I've read about the SNM indicates they were initially a unionist organization until their disagreements with the other rebel movements. As for the clan enclave bit, it wasn't intended as an insult but rather as an accurate description of the facts on the ground. All the statelets of the Somali Republic are clan-based, regardless of whether or not they have pretensions of statehood. We obviously share different political beliefs regarding the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Somali Republic, but that is a discussion for another thread.

It's his nickname and not an insult. Secondly no one ever said he was responsible for the problems that exist today but his negative impact lead to new levels of distrust that didn't exist in Somalia before. One of the main reasons why the peace process was halted in the early 90's not to mention the failed attempts at reconciling the various groups. That same distrust exists today in Somalia hence Federalism and 4.5

The SNM was divided from the beginning, majority being pro Somaliland nevertheless when we declared independence. Cali Mahdi claimed he was the president of the Somali republic from Seylac to Raas Kambooni not even controlling Mogadishu. Some the unionists who were sceptical about Somaliland changed their views. Despite that many Isaaqs went to Mogadishu trying to stop the civil war between him and Caydiid.

It was never about SNM and USC. The people of Somaliland always had the final word.

[AbdiWahab252]

So Kabriid, why did the founder of Somaliland recant his views and become a Unionist and Prime Minister under the Salbalar government in 1995 ?