Re: An Open letter to Bashiir Nuur Bidaar.

[theyuusuf143]

Your contradicting yourself!

If your agree that he was the boss of the security forces in berbera in the late 80s, then he's responsible of every horrible thing that took place in berbera and around it under this period of time!

Its like saying what's your proof of this infertile woman being entered by her husband bc she has no kids?

The proof is the marriage

The same way the proof is his post: taliyaha nabad sugida berbera!

Read the letter of his predicessor making all the reports relating to berbera and SNM

Wtf no logic at all here so I'm out!

You have good point, but working for siadbare NSS of berbera and commiting crime against civilians using that tittle is two different things. if being NSS is crime it self then he was a criminal. but if we have no evidence that he tortured and arrested people then he is not Criminal. I have never seen any SNM member or reer berbera person accusing rayale with evidences , he was NSS oki but did he commited any crimes ? thats the most important question. If he did then we.must get witnesses or other type of evidences.

[Xildiiid]

Your contradicting yourself!

If your agree that he was the boss of the security forces in berbera in the late 80s, then he's responsible of every horrible thing that took place in berbera and around it under this period of time!

Its like saying what's your proof of this infertile woman being entered by her husband bc she has no kids?

The proof is the marriage

The same way the proof is his post: taliyaha nabad sugida berbera!

Read the letter of his predicessor making all the reports relating to berbera and SNM

Wtf no logic at all here so I'm out!

Riyaale was nothing more than a puppet just like the director of NSS in Mogadishu who was MJ but the people perpetrating all kinds of crime in Benadir was people close to Afweyne like Nuur Bidaar.

There's no evidence that Riyaale ordered or committed crimes. If you have evidence share them with us. If you don't have evidence then you should refrain from libel.

[sahal80]

That's called apologetic position!

It doesn't matter who rules its about who was part of their regime!

Say he did it for selfish reasons, its the same!

If the local NSS under him hasn't committed crimes in there then he's NOT responsible

But If it did then he's responsible for being its taliyaha!

Is not that clear?

When we r talking about a regime who committed crimes it doesn't mean there's only one perpetrator, president doesn't live in districts, provinces except his place but his regime lives in everywhere!

so these officers were serving as principal advisors on the "national security" from district to presidential place and gather all the intelligence matters related to his security, giving orders to arrest...

There's even a crime called the crime of accessory!

Even siyaad barre might not have been responsible directly as he was not conscious of things that were happening since 1986 when he had the car crash

All the reports say it was his son who became the defence minister and moorgan, samatar and every one else have been marginalized on their report

These uncontrollable behavior of koofiyo casta, social injutices have accelerated the collapse of his regime in xamar
تلك هى الحقيقة المرة

I gave you an example of how they treated their ex officers in iraq and syria like the one who hails from basra a shia town but we somalis, our judgement of things is motivated by the tribal reasoning!

[theyuusuf143]

"If the local NSS under him hasn't
committed crimes in there then he's
NOT responsible"

Thats exactly what I am talking about, did he or his task force based in berbera commited crimes in berbera ? keep in mind that berbera was little town and most of the secret liberation activities was going on in hargeisa district and mogadishu. Other towns had military problem. In fact SNM executed Col cadceed burao military branch commander, they also killed berbera military commander both men were well known public Offenders and thats why they were killed. SNM executed countless offenders and released many high ranked but well behaved military personel. I

[Xildiiid]

I don't understand Walaweyn logic, get the fuck out.

[theyuusuf143]

I got him ! berbera public offender was an ogaden military man from qabridahare SNM executed him on the 29th january 1991 . mujaahid carab ducaale explains how they intered berbera watch from 1 hour and 2 minutes. If rayale did something bad in berbera he couldnt be member of the goverment in the early 90s he coul not challenge mujahid cabdiraxmaan tolwaayey in 1997 who was the only non isaaq samaron SNM leader. [youtube]mLpbImbDtvU&[/youtube]

[Djiboutian]

An open letter to Bashiir Nuur-Bidaar

These secret documents fully collaborate that your father was in fact the real commander of NSS, and not General Jibril of Majteereen, who was a nominal figure, despite the fact that he was appointed as the head of that notorious organization. For instance, was a cover-up agent for the NSS, who provided secret information on the movement of the Somali National Movement (SNM) by solely communicating with your father, instead of establishing contacts with General Jibril, Mahomud Abdullahi Agoole, the governor of Sub-province of Jijigaaccording to these documents all the 120 secret letters that Governor Mahamud Agoole (Cagoole) sent were addressed to your father. As the security situations deteriorated in the then northern Somalia (the current Republic of Somaliland) by the day, Governor Mahamud Agoole expressed his personal frustration over lack of tangible results of all the efforts to re-locate the Issaq refugees to Daakhata valley, in one his letters that has been literally translated into English as follows:

"With great respect and gratitude, I would like to draw your attention that we are facing a mountain of problems, in spite of spending millions of Somali shillings on how to win the hearts and minds of those most influential generals in the region's military establishments. I am personally frustrated beyond repairs to the extent that I could not even get out from my office for a routine secret supervisions of our internal operative cells, especially the patriotic ladies, who proved much reliable than their counter male colleagues during our clandestine operations. The comprehensive plan that your esteemed office has laid down secretly in cooperation with presidency to move all the Issaq refugees to remote areas in the Daakhata valley near the town Babile, where they could have been kept in what could have been strictly controlled concentration camps similar to that of that Nazis' holding camps in Poland during the WWII, has totally failed to our dismay and surprise. That is why Issaq refugees feel at home as if they live in their own country. They moved from Hargeisa and have been resettled in their own regions where all other Issaqs of Ethiopian citizens came to them in droves to assist them with everything. It is not also a coincidence, that all able-bodied Issaq men are being recruited by SNM to take part in the guerrillas operations inside all northern regions of the country. The man who is publicly supporting the SNM's cause is Abdulhafiz, who, besides being the minister of information and an influential member of the central committee is also Col.Mangistus's right-hand man. He turned out to be a Harar- born Toljele of Issaq with especial visceral feelings towards his clan's men. He became a mountain that we cannot move it easily. Please, understand the situation that we are in today.

Respectfully yours,

Mohamud Abdullahi (Cagoole)"

Raage Waaberi, Djibouti, Waaberi@aol.com

This is a good piece of writing which highlight not only what Nur Bidaar did but also the cooperation of Mohamed Abdullahi Cagoole, the governor of Sub-province of Jijiga, and Ethiopian most influential generals in the Reserved Area & Haud militry establishment. Kudos to Mr. Abdulhafiz Yusuf "or as Ethiopian call him Ato Abdulhafiz Yusuf", a former central committee member of the old ruling Ethiopian Workers Party, for helping his clan's men. It's worth to mention that not only Somali tribes in Somalia and Somaliland were involved in the ethnic cleansing of the Ashraf Shiekh Ishaq tribe but also the Somali inhabiting tribes in Reserved Area and Haud "so called Kilinka Shanad" were involved too. The Somali tribes other than Eastern and Southern tribes who were part of Faqash were mentioned in Abwan Ahmed Diriiye "Qasim" poem.

Ma-Geydada Isaaq nimanka dhacay mahadin maayaane
Marreexaan Gedood iyo Absame nama miskeedaane
Dadkan mawdku noo soo hor kacay waannu maax duminne

Midgihiyo Sabtana waan u talin Maagga Samarroone
Maarraha Ugaaslabe la baxay waa masala dhaafe
Akishaha masiibadu waddaa waa milga habow'e

Ma-Hadhada Bartire nagula kacay waaba loo marag'e
Abasguulka Malaggiisu galay mudh isa soo siiye
Inuu Gerina noo soo mir tegey meel fog laga sheegye

Maqalloo Gahayluhuna waa noo min tiriyaaye
Mindiyaha Jidwaaq iyo warmuu miridhi dooneeye
Sheekhaashti midabbayn jirtaa noogu maag badane

Maayaddii Tumaalkiyo hadday murugtay heestiiye
Mawdii Durbaankiyo la waa mooya-tumihiiye
Illayn waxay mashxaraddii ahayd maalmo nabadeede ( WELL SAID )

Ways muujin sheekadu sidii maamka loo dhigo'e
Halkaan Calanka ugu soo muday magansan doontaaye
Muddaduna sidaan filayo waa maalmo dabadeede ( Subhan Allah he expected it right)

Gobannimada kii maal baxshee cadaw mahiibsiiyey
Iyo magaca ka u dhiidhiyee miiratada laayey
Nin kastaba abaal waxa la marin ka u mutaystaaye

Saddex-Magac-Alle inaan dib loo murugsanaanayne
Markhaataan ka dhigayaa tixaha marag ha loo yeelo
Muranbaaba laysugu dhintee maanso iga reeba ( RAHIMAK ALLAH what he said happened after few months)

Other tribes such as Waro miyo, Waro Dayo, Maadhiban "which differ from Madhiban", Dar jiire, Maxbuub and Xasan Cabdullah were not mentioned in the poem but the elders of Hargeisa, Gabiley and Bulxar District knew about the above tribes crimes.

Ciisa deceased Ugas, Ugas Hasan, was the only clan's chief who supported Ishaq tribe publicly and he asked not to involve in the massacre, but the Cisse border guards killed any Ishaq who travelled from Dire dawa to Djibouti via rail unless he claimed to be Cissa or Samaron. Djibouti government seized passports of 24 Djiboutian citizens from Ashraf Sheikh Ishaq clan among them were Mujahid Musa Bihi and Mujahid Hasan Yunis watch 8:30 minute



Ironically, veteran SNM who succeeded to made their ways to Djibouti were the one who foiled Afar rebels, FRUD ((Front pour la restauration de l'unité et de la démocratie, or Front for the Restoration of Unity and Democracy) insurgency in 1994.

[sahal80]

"If the local NSS under him hasn't
committed crimes in there then he's
NOT responsible"

Thats exactly what I am talking about, did he or his task force based in berbera commited crimes in berbera ? keep in mind that berbera was little town and most of the secret liberation activities was going on in hargeisa district and mogadishu. Other towns had military problem. In fact SNM executed Col cadceed burao military branch commander, they also killed berbera military commander both men were well known public Offenders and thats why they were killed. SNM executed countless offenders and released many high ranked but well behaved military personel. I

Very informative video specially the 77 war.

No its easy for you to pinpoint the ogadeen guy bc of his clan!

That guy and kahin were belonging to different sectors!

One handles the army, responsible of the war-front, falls under the defense minister-gabiyoow- and the other the security, falls under the interior- defle-!!

I'm conversing with a clueless people!

I have studied the sociology and got a respectiful job in the UAE security, in sharija but I didn't go there!

Lastly as you seen the gen was saying they were fighting an army that's totally controlled by maslax

This is not the same army of early 80s

Siyad barre has become a tribalist after 77 as he lost the communist support and before that the state was protected by russia

So in order to secure himself, he depended on mx, OG the clan of his mother, and dhuloos the clan of his wife known as MOD

A lot of kacaanka officers and politicians have became against this and started holding meetings about how to save kacaan, some of them were osman jeele, cumar xaaji massale-mx- and politicians like cumar carte

Instead of taking their advises he forgot them in prison!

Still there was an artificial kacaan who was able to protect the people and the law bc the institutionalism of the state as no one was going to kill his people

After his car crash, in 1986-87, during his months in saudi arabia, his son has replaced him and removed what remained from the artificial kacaan

His dad would sign for him every thing but wasn't fully aware of what's going on

baladweyne was burned, infact dhagabacayr was killed in hiiraan but we FORGOT about it!!



This col is mx he wrote a book called sababihii burburkii ciidanka somalia

This is from a page of his book


I'm finally out of this logicless topic!!

[Lancer]

"If the local NSS under him hasn't
committed crimes in there then he's
NOT responsible"

Thats exactly what I am talking about, did he or his task force based in berbera commited crimes in berbera ? keep in mind that berbera was little town and most of the secret liberation activities was going on in hargeisa district and mogadishu. Other towns had military problem. In fact SNM executed Col cadceed burao military branch commander, they also killed berbera military commander both men were well known public Offenders and thats why they were killed. SNM executed countless offenders and released many high ranked but well behaved military personel. I

Very informative video specially the 77 war.

No its easy for you to pinpoint the ogadeen guy bc of his clan!

That guy and kahin were belonging to different sectors!

One handles the army, responsible of the war-front, falls under the defense minister-gabiyoow- and the other the security, falls under the interior- defle-!!

I'm conversing with a clueless people!

I have studied the sociology and got a respectiful job in the UAE security, in sharija but I didn't go there!

Lastly as you seen the gen was saying they were fighting an army that's totally controlled by maslax

This is not the same army of early 80s

Siyad barre has become a tribalist after 77 as he lost the communist support and before that the state was protected by russia

So in order to secure himself, he depended on mx, OG the clan of his mother, and dhuloos the clan of his wife known as MOD

A lot of kacaanka officers and politicians have become against this and started holding meetings about how to save kacaan, some of them were osman, jeele, cumar xaaji massale-mx- and politicians like cumar carte

Instead of taking their advises he forgot them in prison!

Still there was an artificial kacaan who was able to protect the people and the law bc the institutionalism of the state as no one was going to kill his people

After siyaad barres car crash, in 1986-87, during his months in saudi arabia, his son has replaced him and removed what remained from the artificial kacaan

His dad would signing for him every thing but wasn't fully aware of what's going on

baladweyne was burned, infact dhagabacayr was killed in hiiraan but we FORGOT about it!!



This col is mx he wrote a book called sababihii burburkii ciidanka somalia

This is from a page of his book


I'm finally out of this logicless topic!!

Sahal80 you filthy liar afweyne was fully aware of what his subordinates were doing!

[Sanbalolshe]

I got him ! berbera public offender was an ogaden military man from qabridahare SNM executed him on the 29th january 1991 . mujaahid carab ducaale explains how they intered berbera watch from 1 hour and 2 minutes. If rayale did something bad in berbera he couldnt be member of the goverment in the early 90s he coul not challenge mujahid cabdiraxmaan tolwaayey in 1997 who was the only non isaaq samaron SNM leader. [youtube]mLpbImbDtvU&[/youtube]

This is a really interesting video and would've been 10 times better and more complete only had the reporter been different and more professional. I have never seen a shitter wariye than this one, ever!Not even by Somali standards and that is saying something. You know how many times he interrupted the Mujahid in the midst of making a critical point saying "halkaa iigu yara haki/joogso" and would never go back to addressing that point afterwards? If he would just let the man talk we could have learned a lot more. Isagaaba is cajabinaya oo u hadlaya mujahidka "hayeh, ka dibna Berbera intaa soo dhafteen baa burco qabsateen, haye dee waa idinkii Hargeisa isku wareejiyey, haye, ..ka soco Caynaba markaas cidba ma joogin" loool muu isagu video iska soo duubo oo intaas isagu noosheego? Typical Somali reporter, qashin fowqal qashin. Weligey waxaas oo kale ma arkin.

[theyuusuf143]

Sahal

I did just not pin point him , SNM did and executed him. SNM would have done the the same to rayaale if they had any reports about his wrongdoings. in fact SNM also executed the mayor of borama who was samaron because he have done some extra job for the falling kacaan, they cuptured the governor of sanaag and released him. SNM had a list of public offenders and informers in every region including isaaqs most of them were executed before 18 may. It did not matter if they were police military or civil servants.