Arab shuts down the Arab begging Somalis

[zumaale]

Kareem.dna can be useful in locating the origin of people.there can be a tendency to over exaggerate the importance of dna, though, which zumaale is guilty of.i believe the adoption of mythology, customs and language are far mare important markers of arab identity than haplogroups.the egyptian descendant of a mamlul turkish soldier or the arabised berber or the negroid baqarrah tribes of africa are still part of the arab nation even if their dna suggested otherwise.hitler doesnt become a north african because he got some eb1 haplogroup or something.

For the last time, I am not debating that ethnic identity is determined by DNA alone. It would be stupid of me to assume that Thomas Jefferson and I have more in common that say Estarix because we both have a more recent common ancestor. However, it is relevant in regard to the debate that Somalis are of distant Arab origin and the best way to determine that is by looking at Y-dna because Mtdna is not as static.

I am not concerned with anthropological arguments about who is Arab as history testifies that an elite group can impose their identity on a conquered population. From the Arabs in North Africa to the Oromo in the Horn of Africa. So allow me cuz.

[zumaale]

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[zumaale]

Yes it does. The Y DNA is found in Egypt, Sudan and the Mediterenean particularly around Greece, Southern Italy and Spain.

Go educate yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup ... _of_E-M215

Lastly Y DNA says little if you want to understand where somalis fall. What you need is a full autosmal test which tests everything. You can get them done in 23andMe now.

If you include the North Africans I am in agreement. I excluded them from my definition of Pseudo Arab because they have dual identities, berber in Algerians and Morrocans etc. I thought you were referring to the pseudo Arabs in the Arabian peninsular such as the Shaamis.

[sahal80]

Even gulf arabs discredit the arabness of the north africans they just r linguistically

Infact sudanese r more closer to arabness than north africans dna-wise

Arabs r two races: yacrub people like the yemenese who r more related to habasha and the horn to some point

And the adnanites/northern arabia who r a distinctive stock

Syrians, palestinians, hebrews r another semitic stock not real arabs

True arabs were only quraysh but was included the yemenese geoghraphically bc they r the natives of the arabian peninsula

Southren yemeni soldier who was killed recently
https://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/h ... 122e67c1f8


Today a fire skinned people r called arabs!

[MaliPrince]

I did not know the colour of your skin determines your race, the Dravidian and other dark skinned people all over the world need to now make the decision to reclassify themselves as black!

That's what dumbasses like Abdi Johnson fail to understand.

Skin color does not equal race.

Skin color doesn't mean shit. When Somalis say they're not "Black"....they're basically just saying that they're not in the same race as the Jamaicans, Afro-Americans, West Africans, or the Southern Africans. That's all they're saying. It's pretty f-king well-established that Somalis fall under their own racial category, along with the Ethiopians and Eritreans. We all fall under the "Horn African" umbrella and we are not in the same "race" as the Jamaicans, no matter how much others try to insist that we are.

But that concept is a little too difficult for Abdi Johnson to understand....He isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you know what I mean.

We are not Arabs. We are not Madows. We are Horn African Somalis

You do know you can't just start making shit up right? There ain't no such "race" as "horn african."

thats simple something you just made up.

[MaliPrince]

Technically we dont have the same recent origins to West Africans, but we are pretty closely ralated. You see, the thing is we are a mongrel race comprising of two races that are pretty distant to one another. The two races being Sub saharan African and Euroasian and us Somalis are closer to the Sub saharan African side than for example many North Sudanese and Tigrays are. We are around 60% Sub saharan African and this input comes from a pure nilotic group, and they are extremely close to West African Bantu speaking people. So we should technically have more solidarity with our Black sub saharan African cousin who by the way we look closest to of any population in the planet.

In America, this doesn't apply though, race is a social concept, according to Wiki,
"Race, as a social concept, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristic."
So you're grouped with those you look closest to. African Americans are for the most part a race mixed population - usually anything from 10 - 25% European = they are all called black - meaning that as a term it groups mixed and non mixed people. And we're not much different, our skin colour and facial features all bring us close to our African American brother. In addition socially there's no way of seriously escaping it.

most accurate post in this thread. Somalis and other Cushitic speaking groups are techinically MIXED. We descended from an ancient BLACK race that originated in East Africa (the same race that Bantus came from). While the Bantus went to West Africa, our ancestors traveled up into the Nile Valley before the Sahara became dry and mixed with another race of people (most likely Eurasians that wandered down from Mesopotamia). After the sahara became dry our now mixed ancestors traveled back down south where the land was fertile. Some stayed in the Nile Valley and became more mixed after waves of new immigrants. Some traveled to the north West and became ancestors to the Berbers (who mixed even more with Europeans). And so forth.

in the end however our current physical features make us BLACK. even if technically part of our ancestry in non-African in origin.

[MaliPrince]

Kindly refer back to the numerous threads which discuss this already. You're beating a dead horse.

Somalis fall under the green circle with the Ethiopians:

when will you stop regurgitating white supremacist ideology?

[MaliPrince]

The somali autosomal DNA show that somalis have mixed ancestry 40-50%

Of course that's generally speaking and there could be individuals who have more than that as its clear from the different somali looks

Culturally and linguistically speaking somalis are afro-asiatic

Therefore have nothing to do with the black race

There r many indians who r darker than many somalis if that makes one black

Claiming arab lineage has no bases and the somali dna doesn't back these claims

Infact somalis hate arabs what some r claiming is the prophets lineage wich is common in every muslim nation.

can you not see how you contradicted yourself? how can we "have nothing to do with the black race" when you admit that autosomal analysis says we're 40-50% mixed. what is that other 40-50% if it is not black?

what are we mixed with? white and white?

[0sman]

The somali autosomal DNA show that somalis have mixed ancestry 40-50%

Of course that's generally speaking and there could be individuals who have more than that as its clear from the different somali looks

Culturally and linguistically speaking somalis are afro-asiatic

Therefore have nothing to do with the black race

There r many indians who r darker than many somalis if that makes one black

Claiming arab lineage has no bases and the somali dna doesn't back these claims

Infact somalis hate arabs what some r claiming is the prophets lineage wich is common in every muslim nation.

can you not see how you contradicted yourself? how can we "have nothing to do with the black race" when you admit that autosomal analysis says we're 40-50% mixed. what is that other 40-50% if it is not black?

what are we mixed with? white and white?

Don't worry about him and the other crazies in the thread, Dr Yalax is coming with the pics:

[MaliPrince]

Zumaale, your tendency to regurgitate evidence from the same study is well noted but it adds nothing of an intellectual calibre to the discussion. Many arabs in sudan, central africa and so forth are clearly not descedants of middle eastern arabs rather they are people who adopted arabic language and islam.dna may prove that they are not from the middle east but those people are still culturally and linguistically arab. If somalis had adopted Arabic language today they would be recognised as an arabic tribe regardless of what dna says or their skin colour.

that said, your argument is more logical than those being espoused by the racists abdi johnson quoted.black arabs have existed for thousands of years.their argument is based on white supremacist ideals.reminds of those racists who said qaddafi had brought blacks with him when many libyans are black people.






My contention is with the racist

Zuumale posted material about information relating to the Y DNA which you inherit from your father. So his data pretty much says that somewhere in our ancestry (great great great....grandfather) we have ancestor we share with these pseudo Arabs.

That says only a tiny bit about our complete genome which has millions of SNPs and says virtually nothing of our race.

no it doesn't. wallahi somaalida waa daad stupid ahh. Somali males carry the Y-haplogroup group E1b1b (which is native to East Africa) at around 80%. Its the brother haplogroup of E1b1a (which is found in large numbers among West Africans). Both come from E-P2 which originated about 30,000 years ago in East Africa. so no, the y-DNA doesn't say you share any connection with the "pseudo Arabs". it does however say you have a connection to the Bantu.

the only connection Somalis have to Arabs is the same connection we have to the Swedish and Chinese. which is that their ancestors left africa 60,000 years ago.

[MaliPrince]

Somalis are Africans (Geographical entity) who speak Arabic - thats all

The bulk of khaleej Arabs are mixed with "blacks" let alone north Africans, there own inferiority complexes are more interesting.

LOL.

silly me. all this time I've been a native Arabic speaker and I didn't even know it.

[MaliPrince]

Yes it does. The Y DNA is found in Egypt, Sudan and the Mediterenean particularly around Greece, Southern Italy and Spain.

Go educate yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup ... _of_E-M215

Lastly Y DNA says little if you want to understand where somalis fall. What you need is a full autosmal test which tests everything. You can get them done in 23andMe now.

Silly Somalis. Arabs are native to a place called the Arabian peninsula. Not Greece, Italy, and Spain. The reason alot of North Africans and Southern Europeans have the EAST AFRICAN y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b is because they are of partial AFRICAN descent. Not because we are part Arab dummy. E1b1b shares common ancestry with E1b1a (found in west africa). Its an african haplogroup. found primarily in Africans. the reasons North Africans look different than us is because their MATERNAL ancestry is primarily Europeans while ours is primarily African.

if you want to know how African Y DNA spread all across Europe, read up on the MOORS.

[TheMailMan]

Loooool look at MaliPrince repeating his pseudoscience argumentation. He's desperately trying to include Somalis with Bantus, simply because we may have shared ancestry with them 30,000 years ago.

30,000 years ago ......That was way before the last Ice Age. That was way before Europeans developed pale skin. That was even before the Alibistains settled North America! Does he have any idea how long ago that was? I mean, the Ancient Egyptians were around like 5000 years ago. Farming was invented only about 11,000 years ago. But this Mali Prince guy wants to dig back 30,000 years in the past to find some common ancestry with the Bantus.

This clown just made a fool of himself, and the evidence posted by other Somalis on this forum makes him look even more stupid.

Somalis aren't related to the Bantus, or the Arabs. The autosomal DNA proves it. Out haplogroups prove it.

Now suck it up and deal with it you inferiority-complex ridden Somali

[TheMailMan]

Me and the Bantu share borders, a continent and we are dark like them. The Bantu are larger than many clans in Somalia. The Bantu in Somalia are Somalis.. Maliman prefers the falafels in his heart. He thinks they are better than him. You want to be what you can't be

I am,


Abdi "You would be excited if you were called an Arab" Johnson

I've literally said on this forum DOZENS of times that we Somalis aren't Arab. And I've disassociated myself and my people from Arabs on numerous occasions.

You're like a half-retarded child, who can't keep up with arguments and just says whatever's on your mind. Pay attention or shut up

P.S. Sure we may share a border with the Bantus, but we also share a sea-border with the Yemenis. That literally means nothing. We aren't related to the Bantus nor are we related to the Yemenis. What part of that can't you understand you dim-witted begger

[STARKAST]

Btw i meant that Somalis are Africans (i.e we live in africa) that happen to speak Arabic. I.e us speaking Arabic doesn't make us Arab necessarily.
In the north - Arabic proficiency is common, and was even more common decades ago. It was the script we used for writing along with the wadaad script before jama ahmed.....

In the future i should annotate everything due to users finding it hard to understand simple statements.