I don't want to be racist but this is getting out of hand!

[Methylamine]

I don't get how you guys can write 6 pages of stuff about Black people given the state of the Somali community in the West. We're not in a position to judge what these people are doing considering how many issues our own community is facing. Maybe if we stopped focusing on what Blacks are and aren't doing, and focused just a bit on what's going on with us, we might be able to improve our condition.

[Lancer]

Yeah....that still doesn't give them the right to riot, loot and destroy private and public property worth millions.
Protest all you want in a civilized manner.

[Advo]

Broken neck is much more worse than a broken window, I think AA"s are one of the most forgiving people on the planet. All the stuff they have endured for 400 years and still go through it today. You have an entire dominant group brought up to hate ur guts, then u have minorities and even africans sh1tting on u who btw came here thanks to the civil rights movement.

[zidane88]

It is though to beat a system set to destroy certain communities. I think it is a farewell ceremony for Obama administration sponsored by the US police authorities.

[gegiroor]

Broken neck is much more worse than a broken window, I think AA"s are one of the most forgiving people on the planet. All the stuff they have endured for 400 years and still go through it today. You have an entire dominant group brought up to hate ur guts, then u have minorities and even africans sh1tting on u who btw came here thanks to the civil rights movement.

Advo, there are many groups who contributed to the adoption of civil rights and AAs are one of them. Many groups among white Americans including the Jewish community, the religious establishment, liberal and conservative groups have all their hands in the protest, the formation, and the adoption of the civil rights movements. There were also other progressive movements, such as labor movement, women's movement, who all supported and enhanced the civil rights movement.

With respect to the arrival of refugees in America, the main supporters of this project are the corporations, religious groups, liberal groups - who see them as potential voters - and conservative groups who support them on religious groups. It was President Bill Clinton who increased the quota set for African refugees from 6,000 to 22,000. The last I know he is a white guy. All of the refugee resettlement agencies are run by religious groups and you hardly find any black church being part of them.

While I sympathy their ordeal and suffering in America in the past, their current stupidity can't be an excuse for the mistreatment they suffered in the past.

[SultanOrder]

Broken neck is much more worse than a broken window, I think AA"s are one of the most forgiving people on the planet. All the stuff they have endured for 400 years and still go through it today. You have an entire dominant group brought up to hate ur guts, then u have minorities and even africans sh1tting on u who btw came here thanks to the civil rights movement.

Advo, there are many groups who contributed to the adoption of civil rights and AAs are one of them. Many groups among white Americans including the Jewish community, the religious establishment, liberal and conservative groups have all their hands in the protest, the formation, and the adoption of the civil rights movements. There were also other progressive movements, such as labor movement, women's movement, who all supported and enhanced the civil rights movement.

Yes there were other groups, but the ground work, the marching, the abuse felt by the authorities were 99% AA's. Most of the other groups like the jewsish community and clergy came at the behest of MLK.

With respect to the arrival of refugees in America, the main supporters of this project are the corporations, religious groups, liberal groups - who see them as potential voters - and conservative groups who support them on religious groups. It was President Bill Clinton who increased the quota set for African refugees from 6,000 to 22,000. The last I know he is a white guy. All of the refugee resettlement agencies are run by religious groups and you hardly find any black church being part of them.

It doesn't matter, we still enjoy all the benefits of the black struggle in America, because we are black. Even the Irish and Italians for being accepted as white owe to blacks.

While I sympathy their ordeal and suffering in America in the past, their current stupidity can't be an excuse for the mistreatment they suffered in the past.

This is why I think you are 100% reer baadiye, and have zero understanding of the race context in America. It is not only passed abuse that AA's have issue with but the present abuse.

[SultanOrder]

Like I said, Somalis should focus on themselves and not on other people. Somalis are the bottom of the barrell compared to other immigrant groups. Lowest income, lowest employment, lowest graduation rate, highest welfare and crime rate. What is our excuse? We haven't got any slave ancestors. We haven't suffered lynching and segregation. If you want to shit on madow americans then go ahead, lakiin be aware you are just making yourselves look stupid and giving an opening for cadaans to take the piss out of us as well.

It's a forum dude, relax, the world is bigger than Somalia/Somalis and we will discuss whatever is the issue of the day. This doesn't have a bearing on our day to day lives.

[SahanGalbeed]

All you black haters, you guys don't even understand to the extent you have culturally brainwashed, desensitized, and made to hate black people in America. When the biggest criminals are whites, the people who have all the privileges are whites, the people who will steal from you in a suit are whites, the people who don't consider you any different than blacks are whites. Wake the fuck up and stop the cadaan bootyclapping!

It is more than 2 dimensional .We don't booty clap for nobody for we were never owned by anybody .
What you all in here are is immigrants from Africa . Not any immigrant from Africa , but Somalis who kind of do things differently .We need to know our place .

Inaad maddaowga difaacdo meeshi lagu caayo , la gartay , laakin marnaba ku ma furna inaad halkiisa u doodo . Somalida dhibaatada haysta waxa weeye , direction-ka ayaa ka yara qalooca
Inteydan iska galin , horta kala barta ciyaarta

[gegiroor]

Advo, there are many groups who contributed to the adoption of civil rights and AAs are one of them. Many groups among white Americans including the Jewish community, the religious establishment, liberal and conservative groups have all their hands in the protest, the formation, and the adoption of the civil rights movements. There were also other progressive movements, such as labor movement, women's movement, who all supported and enhanced the civil rights movement.

Yes there were other groups, but the ground work, the marching, the abuse felt by the authorities were 99% AA's. Most of the other groups like the jewsish community and clergy came at the behest of MLK.

With respect to the arrival of refugees in America, the main supporters of this project are the corporations, religious groups, liberal groups - who see them as potential voters - and conservative groups who support them on religious groups. It was President Bill Clinton who increased the quota set for African refugees from 6,000 to 22,000. The last I know he is a white guy. All of the refugee resettlement agencies are run by religious groups and you hardly find any black church being part of them.

It doesn't matter, we still enjoy all the benefits of the black struggle in America, because we are black. Even the Irish and Italians for being accepted as white owe to blacks.

While I sympathy their ordeal and suffering in America in the past, their current stupidity can't be an excuse for the mistreatment they suffered in the past.

This is why I think you are 100% reer baadiye, and have zero understanding of the race context in America. It is not only passed abuse that AA's have issue with but the present abuse.

Shut up dummy. Reer Baadiye is part of Somali's way of living and is not an insult. I have more knowledge in this than you ever master in the next years. Your assertion that Jewish community came to only support MLK really exposes your nonsense. NAACP was founded in 1909 and the board of directors of that entity were dominated by members of Jewish community. This is how far they have been involved, and here you're running they were only involved during the 1960s.

Additionally, since you've personalizing this debate, let me ask you: Do you have a maddow boy-friend that is driving you to get personal? Stay with the topic ass(h)ole, and don't get personal?

[Thuganomics]

I agree with udun about your rer miyi comment PO.Proud rer miyi right here

[SultanOrder]

There is nothing wrong with being Reer miyi/baadiye as a life choice, but reer baadiye's knowledge is limited to their own sphere, the problem is when a reer baadiye blatantly denies a historic fact of systematic oppression at every level perpetrated against a minority that continues to this day with simple subjective anecdotes. In this area, udun is just ignorant and should accept it.

[Sophisticate]

You folks are neglecting a few important facts. To be honest, first-generation and second-generation Africans that live in America are among the most educated Immigrants in the US. Nigerians being among the top performing of all other ethnic groups in America period. These folks must be doing something right. They have certainly inculcated achievement and a strong work ethic into their children, along with a cultural valuation for higher education. That is commendable and needs to be emulated by all other groups.

Stop riding on Nigerian's and Ghanaian's success. Most of them are the rich/middle-class elite of their respective countries and come to the west fro education and training. They are not the same as an american madow born in the ghetto and his father is locked up in prison for something an cadaan guy would be let off for.

Like I said, Somalis should focus on themselves and not on other people. Somalis are the bottom of the barrell compared to other immigrant groups. Lowest income, lowest employment, lowest graduation rate, highest welfare and crime rate. What is our excuse? We haven't got any slave ancestors. We haven't suffered lynching and segregation. If you want to shit on madow americans then go ahead, lakiin be aware you are just making yourselves look stupid and giving an opening for cadaans to take the piss out of us as well.

Why I bothered mentioning that factoid. Well everyone appeared to be focusing primarily on the achievement of Asians and I only added to the discourse by indicating that Nigerians are the most educated group in America. I don’t think it is possible for you to compartmentalize between congratulating a group of people and brown nosing. I’m not surprised you’re a fear monger most of the time that focuses on negativity in most of your posts.

Now back to Somalis. Well you are right. When Somalis came to the diaspora they came en masse as refugees. This was a sharp contrast to the 50s-80s where they came as international students on scholarships only. This put all Somalis abroad on equal playing footing with others or in better standing. Sadly, Somalis back home were educated in the Somali language only for 20 years from 1970 onward, which was the fault of the regime and a disservice to the people (how could they expect to compete with the global economy under those conditions, more than one language is necessary - particularly English). I should add that many did not have much formal education in schools at all. They were woefully unequipped for life abroad. Women in particularly were more likely to be disproportionately less educated than their male counterparts, and a society is only as healthy as its women are educated. In addition, many Somalis that came abroad came from the country side where access to formal schooling was made difficult (due to travel or familial expectations). And life was made challenging abroad for some women that were made widows (from war), or had to deal with absentee fathers (a consequence of divorce), with few if any role models. Also, environment certainly shaped them especially if they grew up in a rough neighborhood with low expectations placed on them (mostly boys) by school officials, teachers and their peers. When the parent(s) are not educated it becomes much easier to stream children (set lower academic standards for them). Also, sometimes parents are in the dark on how their children are doing. They might get away with this if there is a linguistic barrier (in some cases). Not to mention some parents have fanciful ideas about their children and will not listen to constructive criticism, which makes it difficult to implement changes (for the better). So the children are at mercy of numerous environmental factors (most of the time I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule). Also in a few cases, parents place a greater emphasis on short-term gains (working as soon as one can or worse making money by any means necessarily legitimately or illegitimately acquired) and less on educational attainment. And look at what we have today – disproportionate levels of achievement.

There you go. My advice - if there's anything you can teach a child its pride in self and discipline/impulse control.

[Basra-]

Sultan

U r a fan of Hayes? I always had the hunch u r a liberal educated sophisticate.

[gegiroor]

There is nothing wrong with being Reer miyi/baadiye as a life choice, but reer baadiye's knowledge is limited to their own sphere, the problem is when a reer baadiye blatantly denies a historic fact of systematic oppression at every level perpetrated against a minority that continues to this day with simple subjective anecdotes. In this area, udun is just ignorant and should accept it.

Since when did I deny the historic injustice that maddows have suffered in America? My point is, slavery can't be an excuse for maddow's current predicament. The ignorant is here you since other minorities are doing well, while maddows have all opportunities but are failing to take the challenge in a massive scale. Just look at the number of minorities admitted to Yale university through affirmative action. Maddows are less than 1% of minorities admitted. Where are they when affirmative action was designed to uplift them?

I laughed at your comment about the involvement of Jews with respect to their contribution to the rights of maddows and other minorities in America. Just try to read more about it, instead of running around and acting the only one informed when you don't know a jack. Without the involvement of Jews, there would never have been civil rights. These people are shakers and movers in the West, and they founded NAACP for a reason.

Additionally, there is a reason why maddows are committing more crimes, more rapes, and 80% of maddow children born out of wedlock. You have 80% of maddow children born out of wedlock! This is the reality about blacks in America.

Next time, don't personalize the discussion. I am proud reer miyi, have the poems, jaandheer, and camel songs to back myself up, but I am also well-informed on this topic. I can't never understand why do they shoot innocent third-world taxi drivers on daily basis, rob convenience stores repeatedly, kill each other on daily basis, and destroy their neighborhoods while they are protesting against police "brutality". I really don't know nor understand their rationale, and can never accept their constant claim that these things are happening because of past injustices they had suffered.

I would end here but it seems you have some personal involvement in this whole ......

[Idman702]

All this for Black peoples? PO do you want to share something with us? Do you have a baby momma in your city?