4 Somalis Shot Dead in Canada

[iandi]

So black criminals are criminals because of black culture but somali culture has nothing to do with somali culture? You can stereotype black culture but don't you dare stereotype somali culture? I would remind those with this mindset that Oprah came from black culture....as did the current Attorney General of the US....as did many many black achievers in the US....who grew up as steep in black culture as one can be.

Again I am not from AA culture but I am knowledgeable of it and know that you guys acting as if AA culture is all about promoting violence and negativity is just so damn wrong. And to blame it for your problems is just insane. Your people are to blame for your problems....no one else.

I am not here to diminish somali culture but all of the excuses used to explain away the behavior of somali criminals in north america can be applied to the nth degree to black criminals and some of you on here would be the first to discredit those excuses if this conversation was about black criminals.

How hypocritical can you get?

[TheMightyNomad]

So black criminals are criminals because of black culture but somali culture has nothing to do with somali culture? You can stereotype black culture but don't you dare stereotype somali culture? I would remind those with this mindset that Oprah came from black culture....as did the current Attorney General of the US....as did many many black achievers in the US....who grew up as steep in black culture as one can be.

Did I say AA culture in general?? I said AA hip hop gangster culture! Which I'm sure you are very much familiar with! Even AAs themselves try to distance themselves from this gangster crap and weed smoking you see being promoted on television and music!

Somali culture is non factor in this! And like I said social economical circumstances is very indicative of people being exposed to it and yes those individuals you show are largely examples of very few individual cases!

Again I am not from AA culture but I am knowledgeable of it and know that you guys acting as if AA culture is all about promoting violence and negativity is just so damn wrong.


And to blame it for your problems is just insane. Your people are to blame for your problems....no one else.

AA hip hop gangster culture does indeed promote violence yes very much so! haven't you heard the music the movies and the merchandise they produce to promote gang violence and weed smoking? It has spread itself to especially english speaking countries and many are saying it is poisoning the youth!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... races.html

Blame what? Taking that youth are identifying with highly destructive negative aspect of a respectable culture is not blaming! It's very much fact

I am not here to diminish somali culture but all of the excuses used to explain away the behavior of somali criminals in north america can be applied to the nth degree to black criminals and some of you on here would be the first to discredit those excuses if this conversation was about black criminals.

How hypocritical can you get?

I didn't make any excuses like I said the violence has to so with two main factors and that is gang culture and high enemployment!

I actually marked the failure of somalis to steer the youth away from this poisonous gang culture which is tire-sly promoted in entertainment! Im pretty sure

But the black people in the US have made a culture out if they're oppression and ignorance that was widespread before the civil rights and still is today! But what's causing them to retort to it and identify with it is they're unfortunate social economic position!

High unemployment = violence and this further promoted and accepted in AA gangster cultural circle and not the upper higher middle class AA cultural circle!

So not excuses blaming or hypocritical! Just a very honest researched analysis!

[TATI]

'Just another day livin' in the hood...'


Sooooooo was this a somali on somali crime...like usual lol.smh

[SaciidAyanleh]

So, in conclusion, Kaafiye and SonOfANomad would solve this issue by...DUN DUN DUN banning the hip hops and the rippity raps

[Kaafiye]

So black criminals are criminals because of black culture but somali culture has nothing to do with somali culture? You can stereotype black culture but don't you dare stereotype somali culture? I would remind those with this mindset that Oprah came from black culture....as did the current Attorney General of the US....as did many many black achievers in the US....who grew up as steep in black culture as one can be.

Again I am not from AA culture but I am knowledgeable of it and know that you guys acting as if AA culture is all about promoting violence and negativity is just so damn wrong. And to blame it for your problems is just insane. Your people are to blame for your problems....no one else.

I am not here to diminish somali culture but all of the excuses used to explain away the behavior of somali criminals in north america can be applied to the nth degree to black criminals and some of you on here would be the first to discredit those excuses if this conversation was about black criminals.

How hypocritical can you get?

What are you even talking about? Where's the hypocrisy? Are you being deliberately manipulative here? The behavior of Somali criminals here in Canada can be attributed to a whole host of factors, including the adoption of this "gangsta" culture you see in a lot of the Somali youth

You would have to be willfully blind to deny this ugly reality. The West Africans, Indians, Arabs, Koreans and other groups avoided this ugly fate, and they generally prosper and do very well in Canada. The Somalis on the other hand are falling further and further behind, and the adoption of this destructive "gangsta" culture is making things worse. If you had a shred of integrity, you would admit this instead of trying to ignore what's obvious here.

We Somalis need to create some mechanism where we resist the youth who adopt this dangerous culture. Maybe the Courts could arrest and impose harsh sentences on the Somalis involved in robberies and killings. The Somali community itself should amp up their efforts in "shaming" the Somali youth who partake in this culture. Those two could be short-term solutions to handling this problem. The long-term solutions are a different discussion for another day.

Somalis in Canada have become synonymous with gang violence, and it's only gonna get worse if we don't do something to rectify it.

[TheMightyNomad]

So, in conclusion, Kaafiye and SonOfANomad would solve this issue by...DUN DUN DUN banning the hip hops and the rippity raps

Either that it changing the social economic living issue the prey Canadian somali youth!

Many african Americans online I've met agree that this hip hop african American gangster culture should be eliminated!

Somalis are attracted to it by default cuz they in someways have jumped on to this black identity plague that sweeps the african diaspora!

Ultimately I think it's a need to get these kids in work unit and instead of selling khat or weed down the corner! Unemployment is the mother and father of violence specifically gang Violence!

[iandi]

What are you even talking about? Where's the hypocrisy? Are you being deliberately manipulative here? The behavior of Somali criminals here in Canada can be attributed to a whole host of factors, including the adoption of this "gangsta" culture you see in a lot of the Somali youth

You would have to be willfully blind to deny this ugly reality. The West Africans, Indians, Arabs, Koreans and other groups avoided this ugly fate, and they generally prosper and do very well in Canada. The Somalis on the other hand are falling further and further behind, and the adoption of this destructive "gangsta" culture is making things worse. If you had a shred of integrity, you would admit this instead of trying to ignore what's obvious here.

We Somalis need to create some mechanism where we resist the youth who adopt this dangerous culture. Maybe the Courts could arrest and impose harsh sentences on the Somalis involved in robberies and killings. The Somali community itself should amp up their efforts in "shaming" the Somali youth who partake in this culture. Those two could be short-term solutions to handling this problem. The long-term solutions are a different discussion for another day.

Somalis in Canada have become synonymous with gang violence, and it's only gonna get worse if we don't do something to rectify it.

Bigggg difference between blaming "gangsta" culture and blaming "AA" culture. Those two are not synonymous. But even beyond that I am suggesting that somali's in ottawa are not exposed to AAs in the flesh and so the best place to look for clues as to where the breakdown happens is in the somali home.

[gegiroor]

What are you even talking about? Where's the hypocrisy? Are you being deliberately manipulative here? The behavior of Somali criminals here in Canada can be attributed to a whole host of factors, including the adoption of this "gangsta" culture you see in a lot of the Somali youth

You would have to be willfully blind to deny this ugly reality. The West Africans, Indians, Arabs, Koreans and other groups avoided this ugly fate, and they generally prosper and do very well in Canada. The Somalis on the other hand are falling further and further behind, and the adoption of this destructive "gangsta" culture is making things worse. If you had a shred of integrity, you would admit this instead of trying to ignore what's obvious here.

We Somalis need to create some mechanism where we resist the youth who adopt this dangerous culture. Maybe the Courts could arrest and impose harsh sentences on the Somalis involved in robberies and killings. The Somali community itself should amp up their efforts in "shaming" the Somali youth who partake in this culture. Those two could be short-term solutions to handling this problem. The long-term solutions are a different discussion for another day.

Somalis in Canada have become synonymous with gang violence, and it's only gonna get worse if we don't do something to rectify it.

Bigggg difference between blaming "gangsta" culture and blaming "AA" culture. Those two are not synonymous. But even beyond that I am suggesting that somali's in ottawa are not exposed to AAs in the flesh and so the best place to look for clues as to where the breakdown happens is in the somali home.

You beloved rotten AA culture which is in fact a gangsta culture is the root cause of all problem. If these kids were aware and accept the fact that they have nothing in common with the people who act as shown below, they would have been like any other successful minorities in the Canada, US, and EU. The root cause of the problem is, these people thinking they are "black" and therefore they need to imitate the loser, non-Muslim, so-called blacks from the Caribbean and from the US.

To be successful, they first need to avoid wearing those sagging pants as iandi and company do. What kind of men show their butts to others, and what kind of culture promotes it?



They need to avoid making those ugly hair braids iandi and her boyfriends d



They need to avoid putting on those ugly "gold" teeth that scares the heck out of anyone who comes near them as iandi and company do!



And most importantly, they need to avoid robbing those innocent, hard-working, third-world immigrant-run shops, as it is a common for iandi's favored and beloved Caribbean and AAs. If one is running convenience store, or driving taxi, or works in a gas station, or runs fast food restaurant that sells macaroni, fried chicken, and fries, the first people that he (or she) is gonna hate are AAs or Caribbeans if it is in Canada or US.




You see that is the AAs and Caribbean thug culture, and in order for Somali youth to avoid acting as though they have something in common with these hood folks, a complete detoxification of blackness is needed from the Somali youth. Don't act like the Caribbean and AAs thugs; act like a normal, decent human being who want to succeed. That should be the motto for Somali youth.

Who cares what iandi think, or if her (or his) feelings are hurt. We gonna dis thug culture of AAs and her Caribbean favorites. It is the root cause of all troubles since some of the youth is trying to imitate them.

[QaxootiWaaxid]

lol @ constantly posting videos of these kids rapping as an explanation for their failures. You realize you can post tons of videos of famous rappers from other immigrant communities that do not murder each other at an outrageous rate. How do you explain how you've got guys like Wale, Chamillionaire, Akon etc yet their communities are not in shambles?

fyi don't take my posting of the French video as an excuse like these Kaafiye and Nomad tools. It's just a relevant banger by Somalis from Toronto. RIP to the young 'malis in that video that are no longer with us.

Speaking a lot of sense in this thread bro, nodding away

[Alpharabius]

Somali nomads back in the day never use to reach 25 , they would either get killed during a raid on anothers clans territory or used to die in inner clan blood feuds , same players , different game , RIP to all the fallen soldiers from hawd to harlem.

[SiennaEarth]

Are you guys seriously blaming this on black culture? Furthermore what is black culture? Do you mean gang culture? If yes, I can agree to that. Most Somalis seem to be utterly useless, sometimes I think they have no brain cells. Did they really flee from Somalia to become gangsters in the west? Also this is what Somali parents get for having too many kids and not paying attention to their kids or their up bringing. It's just pop kids, send them to school and pray they turn out good. Last I check it doesn't work like that. So instead of blaming blacks maybe the reasons for the failure of many of the Somali youths is closer to home?

[gegiroor]

Peer pressure and thug culture is what behind all of these. Overwhelming majority of Somali parents are the best in the world. They feed them, cloth them, encourage them to do their home work, teach them Islamic values, and stand by them when these kids in trouble; especially Somali moms are wonderful.

However, there is one influence that is so difficult for Somali parents to prevent, and that is the influence of the environment that these children grew up. There is a reason why white and all other minorities avoid living in the ghettos. That is, the only things available in the ghettos are drugs, failing schools, all forms of vice, and lack of economic opportunities. If the Somali parent can't afford paying a rent that is over $1000 USD due to the family size and the area they want to move into, and they have no choice of moving out of the ghettos, what can they do? They are raising these kids to the best of their ability but the thug culture in the environment that these children are raised is having huge impact.

This is why we need to emphasize a complete detoxification of thug culture from Somali youth. Another solution that I have found working for many parents is to send the boys and girls who get out of control to Somalia, where they live in tuulos or countryside. They become reformed men. I have seen many relatives whose sons became real guys who work and raise Somali families after they are taken out of this thug life culture. We're speaking from the point of experience, and not just throwing a blame on the thug culture that is so prevalent among the AAs ansd Caribs.

[Sophisticate]

Before the late 80s in the west, the few that came had a great reputation, since they were international students (as early as the 50s). Of course, they would be considered more educated than the populace that came later. Those that came after the Civil War varied in social capital, since anybody that could fled. You had people from all walks of life. However, there was a disproportionate number of lone-parent families headed by women (either because of widowhood or divorce). Many of these women did not speak English or received limited formal education. Among the women that were formally educated they were mostly taught in Somali instruction only (particularly those that went to school Post-69). These women arrived with larger than average-sized families and were ill-equipped for life abroad. They also brought with them the same mentality in child rearing from back home. Where their children either raised each other, or were raised by the community. Where boys were given infinite freedom and girls were closely observed. That was a big mistake, as it created undisciplined children, namely boys. This greatly affected their work ethic in school. That and a fixed-minded mentality of them as either innately bright or unintelligent. They were taught this from the school system, peers and the family. And I hear the schools are worse in bad neighborhoods, no surprise there. I found that the most academically successful ones that come from this environment are those with a domineering hooyo that was a benevolent dictator to both her sons and daughters. On top of that, these women settled in the worst neighborhoods with disproportionate rates of crime. It's only natural to think that the boys would become guttersnipes lured by thugs into a lifestyle of fast money and death or prison by 30, particularly if they dropped out of school. Although many have not flocked to live in suburbs, their boys are no longer children but adults - and now many of them are beyond reformation.

[TheMightyNomad]

Very true sophi!

[TheMightyNomad]

Are you guys seriously blaming this on black culture? Furthermore what is black culture? Do you mean gang culture? If yes, I can agree to that. Most Somalis seem to be utterly useless, sometimes I think they have no brain cells. Did they really flee from Somalia to become gangsters in the west?

You do realize this gang violence doesn't exist in the somali communities Outside of north America? So refrain from generalizing calling us all useless!

Also this is what Somali parents get for having too many kids and not paying attention to their kids or their up bringing. It's just pop kids, send them to school and pray they turn out good. Last I check it doesn't work like that. So instead of blaming blacks maybe the reasons for the failure of many of the Somali youths is closer to home?

No one blamed blacks! Its not a somali exclusive thing as this AA gang culture has poinsoned many communities in the english speaking world especially carribeans ethiopians, south east asians etc

Although i do agree that somali parents in general parenting stops After They put a Roof over head and send you to school and let everything else raise their kids! Having too many kids that They cant Even take care off!

But in this scenario it isnt it, mostly North American problem which arrived due to the high youth unemployment and the relevant existence of AA gang culture in Americas!

Unemployment isn't really a deciding factor as if would have been also prevalent in European somalis due to the insanely high unemployment rates for youth overall