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LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:

Xildiiid wrote:Our fate is not tied to theirs. By injecting yourselves into their pathetic affairs you connect Somaliland to a country that we claim we have no connection to.

If Somalilanders like yourself believe that it is within your right to "defend" a tribal enclave that opposes your legitimate existence then you're not different from SL leaders.

Lol, my friend, there's only one type of legitimacy - it's the one backed by the gun. A white guy scribbling lines on a map of Africa 100 years ago is not legitimacy. You either back-up your claims of independence by the gun or you sit the fck down and continue to print Disney-dollars and Disney passports while the so-called SL leaders take their orders from Ethiopia, the real leaders.

So you back up Somaliland's legitimate quest for independence by defending Punaniland? The same tribal enclave that claims parts of SL territory?

I believe you're novice when it comes to Walaweyn mentality. The tribal leader of Punaniland recently stated that the "federal regions" and the "federal government" should unite against the real enemies of the Somali ethnic group.

Was he talking about AMISOM, Ethiopia or was he talking about Somaliland?

we Koonfurians will back khaatumo against somaliland FORZA KHAATUMO

theyuusuf143 wrote:whitehartlane

its all about the people. The more puntland people read watch or listen how ugly and destructive amisom are the more they will protest against it. never trust those stupid politicians. the reason why the south is under full occupation is because forein intervention became normal. you remember how they were hot blooded after the maxaakiin when ethiopia invaded mogadishu. their people tired of patriotism the worst is their so called intelectuals and political analasysts always glorify Ethiopia. just read the above sahal comments. he always make ethiopia bigger than its. in reality ethiopia is nothing but an other poor country trying to survive without Somali trouble same goes to kenya. none of them have the capacity or resources to dictate any thing beyond their borders. thet too are just Western puppets.

kkk theres an arabic proverb says she accused me of her ailment and then sneaked away! رمتني بدائها وانسلت

the same meaning of the english proverb the pot calling the cattle black

Where did i glorified ethiopia when im anti-ethiopia? What im talking about is the ethiopian-controlled somali situation...yes you can get rid of ethiopia if you dont care about yourself or have no political agenda after your first term....the group in the power have clashed with the west thats why they depend on ethiopia..you get unpaid SNA who will fight for you? Ethiopia!.... no new deal money bc of you, havent delivered shyt regarding 2016 agenda: zero security, elections cancelled, constitutional referendum postponed, federal conflicts and dj admins...three years with three pms yet you still want a second term! This is why nick kay has either resigned or removed...

In such situation where no donors r backing you and no one listens hassan sh or omar rashid, to finish the task ahead on your f-king corrupt way, you need ethiopia who has influence on all of them

PL and GLM already share something(a national issue) that why ethiopia needs to instigate a conflict in there bc it can led to a national conflict as crisis group puts it

http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2015/Dec/1 ... lines.aspx

Adiga your already not in national xerada...ethiopia is happy about JL and others having issues with hassan sheekh and then sorting it out in addis ababa but you had issue with siyad barre who had gone!

You held ethiopian celebrations in hargeysa! ethiopia collects donations for its DAM project in hargeysa! You get ethiopian scholarship including the army!

Who accepts this?

ethiopians say that SL is a model for the other somalis relationship with ethiopia, the new somalia!!

So like I said before you know how treat them....thats the only difference..yes we r occupied by ethiopia but will not give up until a change takes place in our regional and federal leadership and a westren-backed govt....

There r both national and regional good politicians who r waiting their chance.. we have gurmad...pl needs people like ali haji warsame then I dont think there will be a need for ethiopian mediations!

when i said you glorified ethiopia i meant you really did it. Ethiopia is nothing but cheap instrument used by every one. in reality all those Somali functions are using ethiopia it self. The problem is u guys allowed them in your country with their tanks i know you did it to eliminate alshabaab but you have to keep in mind alshabaab will never leave, and those western paid Amisim troops will never leave as well. The South is more like UN colony ethiopia is just part of the team.

in the north We too are trying to gain something from ethiopia the difference is all our interests are Business and diplomatic related . Those few individuals who contributed ethiopian abbay dam did it for a reason. we want to get cheap electricity from ethiopia for that reason its sometimes good to show solidariry the project is beneficial for all east africa. we also signed trade agreement with their goverment including the constructions of major high ways and railways from berbera to Ethiopia. Somaliland deals every one without risking our own security.

Xildiiid wrote:

You're making up excuses..

If you have a problem, you deal with that problem and you eliminate it.

I don't understand this desire you and the majority of Isaaq share that's based on attaching yourselves to others. The real issue is not AMISOM, it's simply your lack of confidence.

This is the whole point of this stand.
To eliminate the problem so we don't have to deal with it.

I didn't expect you out of all people would
say something like that Xildiid. Your hate for Wanlwayns is blinding your judgment.

Let's say PL collapsed and the gov there is not functional.
What would SL get from that? Nothing. What would SL lose from that? Everything.

Look, it's the same reason why Kenya is in JL and Ethiopia is all over the place.
To protect and work for our interest. Exudes of refugees from PL to the remote regions
of Sool & Sanaag won't do us any good. AS moving up to PL is not gonna help us, nor Al Qaida
in Yemen who already have a presence there.

It all starts with AMISOM in Galkacyo
to "preserve peace"As if those people ever need Fufs the last 20 years.

War ma anigaa waalan, mise Cadan baa laga heeseyaa.

Somaliland's main problem is the low intensity conflict with certain groups inside the country followed by sabotage from the Walaweyns (Punaniland + Hutus) and not AMISOM.

If Somaliland eliminated the diaspora funded groups, sealed the borders and implemented a strict foreign policy based on our interests and not the appeasement of the West, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

The notion that we should defend Punaniland is based on emotions, nothing else.

I don't hate because hate is irrational.

Xildiid,

You don't get it mate. You are an average field trooper.

Someone will break it down for you dude. You do know when Washington bombs ISIS, it isn't saving al Assad right?

There are things that are principles, values and customs or ideals....you may disagree with PL over eastern regions but they share more values, ideals, customs and way of life with us than Wanlawein and the Axes of Bantu.

It is there that we express our support for those brothers with same values and Somali principles.

Axes of Bantus including Abgaal and HG are not comparable with our values or proper Somali tradition. If we feel that culture and ideals are in danger, we are obligated to defend it. This isn't about rescuing Garowe administration.

It's good that so many Isaac are rational and can see when our tradition and great Heer maybe jeopardised by Bantus and their agents.

The Haud.

Xildiiid wrote:War ma anigaa waalan, mise Cadan baa laga heeseyaa.

Somaliland's main problem is the low intensity conflict with certain groups inside the country followed by sabotage from the Walaweyns (Punaniland + Hutus) and not AMISOM.

If Somaliland eliminated the diaspora funded groups, sealed the borders and implemented a strict foreign policy based on our interests and not the appeasement of the West, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

The notion that we should defend Punaniland is based on emotions, nothing else.

I don't hate because hate is irrational.

AMISOM would attract AS, alienate other minorities
and disaffected subs within HG or MJ's, next thing you know
there is unrest in the whole of PL & central Somalia. You know the rest ...


OK, lets look at it from a less radical scenario.

Lets assume PL would stay in a good shape.
No riots, no armed conflict or AS, Mudug region fedral
state issue was resolved somehow after AMISOM were deployed in Galkacyo.


The existence of AMISOM in Galkacyo alone
raises the probability they might do the same in Buuhoodle or Sool & Sanaag?
What guarantee we have they won't under the request of the fake federal gov?

Ethiopia raided Buuhoodle twice & our gov didn't do shit.
You think they'll move a finger if AMISOM placed a base there?

No fufos in PL, no fufos in SL or even worse shit.

War riyada ka kaca, kulaha seal the borders

There are no borders

Xildiiid wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:

Xildiiid wrote:Our fate is not tied to theirs. By injecting yourselves into their pathetic affairs you connect Somaliland to a country that we claim we have no connection to.

If Somalilanders like yourself believe that it is within your right to "defend" a tribal enclave that opposes your legitimate existence then you're not different from SL leaders.

Lol, my friend, there's only one type of legitimacy - it's the one backed by the gun. A white guy scribbling lines on a map of Africa 100 years ago is not legitimacy. You either back-up your claims of independence by the gun or you sit the fck down and continue to print Disney-dollars and Disney passports while the so-called SL leaders take their orders from Ethiopia, the real leaders.

So you back up Somaliland's legitimate quest for independence by defending Punaniland? The same tribal enclave that claims parts of SL territory?

I believe you're novice when it comes to Walaweyn mentality. The tribal leader of Punaniland recently stated that the "federal regions" and the "federal government" should unite against the real enemies of the Somali ethnic group.

Was he talking about AMISOM, Ethiopia or was he talking about Somaliland?

I am not a novice. I trust walaweyns as far as I can throw Basra. Lakiin politics is not static, it is dynamic and the only thing that matters is the interest of the moment. Right now, chaos in Buuqland/Galmudug is not in our interest. I don't support Buuqland either, I just hate SL's policy of iska-fadhiiso and watch things from the sideline as they progressively get worse and worse.

As for Buuqland, if they pose such a threat, why not finish them? Hell, why have qurjiiles and warsangelis inside your owned claimed territory telling you to f***-off?

You see why I don't take Somaliland seriously? Either Buuqland is an enemy and we should do everything we can to support Galmudug. Or Puntland is not our current concern and we should do everything in our power to stop war from spreading into their region?

Which is it? I'll tell you what it isn't - what the so-called SL leaders are doing now i.e. nothing.

Rambie,

So instead of controlling every inch of Somaliland and eliminating minor threats, the solution is to fight a non existing threat in a different country?


I don't understand how you people think so I'll end it here.

Why everyone got their panties in a bunch, somaliland troops will fight anyone that voliates it's borders, you got to have some guts on this one but I understand where yall coming from yall saying that we should seize the opportunity first before things escalate sounds good but somaliland politicans are not that dashing and bold as you all are

Xildiiid wrote:Rambie,

So instead of controlling every inch of Somaliland and eliminating minor threats, the solution is to fight a non existing threat in a different country?


I don't understand how you people think so I'll end it here.

Why don't you then?

The reason why Somaliland cannot actually enforce much east of Burco district is simply numbers, forget about Puntland. The population core of Somaliland is actually a little west of Hargeisa. While Puntland's population core is along the highway, at the so called "border". Besides the further east you go, the more everything is based on Xeer not on the existence of a government in Hargaysa.

Even in terms of population it is about equal with Bari and Nugal having a larger population than Woqoyie galbeed. An all out war with Puntland would not go very well for Somaliland, and you can kiss goodbye having any peace in Sanaag and even Togdheer. Population size determines military staying power, and Puntland can easily field 60,000 men for 3-4 months.

Be careful, you don't want Morgan shelling one of the triangle cities now do you? idoor

Do what?