Gedobursi-Warsangeli-Ciise-Dhulbahante poll

[Raganimo]

The problem with OP and many non isaaq somalilanders is that you see somaliland as an unfortunate reality and the lesser of 2 evils. Xamar, Pl, khaatumo and somaliland are one in the same in your eyes. It's just that one of them(SL) might play more fair due to stability, thus allowing you for a bigger piece of the pie.

This mentality is flip flop in nature. We don't want landers who are here due to circumstances . Because tomorrow when the hard time comes those circumstancial landers will be the first to jump ship

That's a fair point. But it takes years, decades even, to forge a strong national identity. Many of us already have a lot vested in SL in terms of businesses, familial bonds through intermarriage etc..

It's a complex issue runtii and I can kind of see where both sides are coming from.

[Raganimo]

Dhulos, Samaroon and Warsangeli should join the SL fold before it is too late. The unpredictable flipping has to stop and they have to have principles and stand behind those.

But just to chase the bariis for the day is neither dignity nor sustainable. No one trusts you today from your own Darood to even Hawiye because everyone knows you can flip at any time and switch shirts.

You guys are more like amateur footballers switching between clubs.

If today both of us went to Xamar, they prefer to deal with the man who told them ayeeydin usheega I don't need to cry after the aid money, which is all Xamar has over others. I rather stand my ground and see the results of my own seeds before I ask you to share the fruits of the UN man's tree.

Our strong stance will pay off and already the port deal is testimony of that.

The best is yet to come and we have tunnel vision of that despite everyone screaming "in limbo", "dreamers", "it's never going to happen".

We will prove it because principality always pays off.

The bounty belongs to the man who got dirty early on not the one who showed up when the dust has settled or is lesser.

I will eat first because I got to work first but if you happy to take my left-overs welcome.

I know Mogadishu has same stance. You didn't fight al Shabab. You didn't face the AMISOM daily abuses nor did you risk your lives to renovate half-standing buildings. You wanna eat their cake when Liido beach has returned.

In case the news hasn't reached you, we were kind of ethnically cleansed from Mogadishu more than 25 years ago. There are almost no daaroods in Mogadishu.

This is why it's difficult to work with some of you. You can't get past your cuqdad for daaroods. What on earth does a warsan or dhulos have to do with Xamar anyway? Xamar is Hawiye territory. This is 2016 not 1984 where it was shared amongst all tribes of Somalia. Saying that we didn't rebuild Xamar is like saying Hawiyes have done nothing for SSC. Duh!!

If many of us are wary of joining SL it's due to your anti-daarood rhetoric and the extreme tribalism that you find amongst some Isaaqs. You complain that we see you all as a united Isaaq block and Somaliland as "Isaaq land" yet to some of you we're all just daaroods with absolutely no room for nuances lol.

I'm being very frank here, I got no time for calaacal and BS posturing. And like I said earlier, I'm not the Garaad of Warsangeli. I'm just sharing my own views and opinions and I can't speak for anyone else. Many of my tribe will vehemently disagree with my position.

[AwRastaale]

Raganimo,

I haven't said anything against Darood. It's your own imagination.

I am merely saying two things; the early bird gets the warm and why should we accept you on your own terms when from the very beginning you refused to par-take in the hagbad?

I think most of us no longer care what Dhulo does or Warsangeli.

Iyagun ba shatiga babadasha sida kubada.

[Raganimo]

Yes, it's about loyalty and what you bring to the table a lot people see northern darood as liability and not a asset I'm shocked how southern darood stayed so loyal to zoomalia after they been kicked out of xamar while northern darood haven't even invested in their own territories and live in hargeisa and burco and still doubt their northern brethren that's how you can northern darood are disloyal and indecisive that's how you lose in life instead you have to be dedicated and put effort in everything you do.

I'm still shock how some dhulos and warsangeli have Isaac blood running thru their veins and still hate isaaq which makes no sense at all.

We don't hate Isaaqs in general. The cuqdad seems to be stronger on your side of the fence sxb.. I know this HY (muse Ismacil) dude who's mother was Warsangeli, his grandmother was Warsangeli, his wife was Warsangeli and he used to absolutely despise Warsangeli due to the war. I mean when you can't even differentiate between war and peace, reconciliation is virtually impossible.

Anyway, these are extreme examples. In real life, there are almost no issues these days and we seem to function quite well. To me, building a closer relationship with people whom you actually share history and degaan with is a no-brainer. But obviously it's not for everyone lol.

[Raganimo]

Raganimo,

I haven't said anything against Darood. It's your own imagination.

I am merely saying two things; the early bird gets the warm and why should we accept you on your own terms when from the very beginning you refused to par-take in the hagbad?

I think most of us no longer care what Dhulo does or Warsangeli.

Iyagun ba shatiga babadasha sida kubada.

What you refer to as "shaati la badasho" is no more than differences of opinions within both tribes. There have always been three camps:

1) pro-Puntland. The "at least MJ are our cousins"-camp. This seems to be getting smaller by the day.

2) pro-SL. They argue that we have closer ties to our Isaaq neighbours. That it makes more sense to shift our focus from Mogadishu to hargeysa since it is already home for many of us who have made investments there. Etc.

3) Pro-our own state within Somalia. This is a recent camp.

These divisions have always existed. In the vast majority of cases, It's not the same people who are switching back and forth. The leadership is divided on this.

And rightly so, it's a very complex issue. It's not that simple at all.

[JSL3000]

Yes, it's about loyalty and what you bring to the table a lot people see northern darood as liability and not a asset I'm shocked how southern darood stayed so loyal to zoomalia after they been kicked out of xamar while northern darood haven't even invested in their own territories and live in hargeisa and burco and still doubt their northern brethren that's how you can northern darood are disloyal and indecisive that's how you lose in life instead you have to be dedicated and put effort in everything you do.

I'm still shock how some dhulos and warsangeli have Isaac blood running thru their veins and still hate isaaq which makes no sense at all.

We don't hate Isaaqs in general. The cuqdad seems to be stronger on your side of the fence sxb.. I know this HY (muse Ismacil) dude who's mother was Warsangeli, his grandmother was Warsangeli, his wife was Warsangeli and he used to absolutely despise Warsangeli due to the war. I mean when you can't even differentiate between war and peace, reconciliation is virtually impossible.

Anyway, these are extreme examples. In real life, there are almost no issues these days and we seem to function quite well. To me, building a closer relationship with people whom you actually share history and degaan with is a no-brainer. But obviously it's not for everyone lol.

And gadabursi is even worst their all half isaaq also but hate isaaq in the inside they tend to hide their hatred that's why I'm glad a dhulo can atleast admits his hatred up front instead of hiding it and erupt later on.

then you have ciise somaliland who are die hard somalilanders but they don't like gadabursi but then on the other hand ciise djibouti don't like isaaq because competition wise and afraid of recognized somaliland and rather deal with dumb hutus they can toy with.

But trust me qabyaalada it's more serious in diaspora than in the country because people have to deal with poverty that is the main issue there.

[JSL3000]

The border between somaliland and italiana somalia is fascinating land.

[Raganimo]

I have family who live in hargeysa and they tell me they never sense any tribalism. I even have family in Borama. That's why I said that in the day-to-day reality of the people back home you will not find true tribalism. If you listen to the nutjobs on Snet, you will get the picture that people are a bunch of raving lunatics back home when this is not the case at all.

Even if we were to join, we could still have relative autonomy in order to protect our rights. At least until a true sense of national/ regional cohesion came about. Ideally, people from the same region with common interests (HY+Wars, DH+HJ, HA+Dir etc) would form their own parties and come fight for their common goals. Isaaq, although the majority, have different Priorities/interests depending on what region they are from.

[burcaawi14]

qabiyaalad is part of Somali culture , I think when we admit that we can move on to the next step . The only thing I like about isaaq qabiyaalad is that it's just kaftan or cay and rarely leads to the gun. That's why you find Isaaq over a year ago hosted 100+ hawiye elders, constantly hosting dhulo garaad, warangeli cuqaal and even marexaan ugaas. Isaaq qabiyaalad isn't the violent kind and if there was real cuqdad we wouldn't invite these elders all the time

[JSL3000]

qabiyaalad is part of Somali culture , I think when we admit that we can move on to the next step . The only thing I like about isaaq qabiyaalad is that it's just kaftan or cay and rarely leads to the gun. That's why you find Isaaq over a year ago hosted 100+ hawiye elders, constantly hosting dhulo garaad, warangeli cuqaal and even marexaan ugaas. Isaaq qabiyaalad isn't the violent kind and if there was real cuqdad we wouldn't invite these elders all the time

Burcaawi you are right Isaaq qabyaalad Is just kaftan and sometimes cay but we don't kill each other over it like zoomalians do and yes we do host ever somali chieftain regardless of tribe.

Most are fighting is over resources not qabyaalada.

[Siciid85]

No I don't see my self as a second class citizen, I see myself as an equal. I know a Dhuloz can win a free and fair election in SL, unlike your sham elections were its rigged to have a Mj as a leader or southern elections were bribery and corruption is used, even if a Hawiye President picks another Darood the Majerteen will not stop whining, is that your hope? Amisom, Shabab, Your Mafia, Greedy, corrupt ways?? That ship has sailed I know your looking out for your interest as our eastern neighbors but atleast find the decency to respect my interest, but hey I shouldn't expect that from you!!

I was one of the first to be against the pirate state to our east, my family followed me, my sub clan did and so did the rest of the clan. Nin culus Baan ahaay!!

At the end of the day, it is about people' lives. If Dhulbahante kids are able to go to school, women are able to live in environment where they can raise their kids without worry of war and if business people can conduct their sales without interference, then I do believe Somaliland can be all that and more. As matter of fact, Isaaqs are more willing to share everything with Hartis and Samaroon than they are among themselves.

If a Samaroon can become a President of SL, so too can Dhuloz.

Your heart is in the right place so keep on going

[Skyflyguy]

President cigal Allah ha unaxariiste prophetically said there will be a day hargeysa will be filled with high rise buildings. And he was absolutely correct if you look at hargeysa today you can see that's were its heading.

So id like to say there will be a day where qabil won't be spoken about in somaliland. It might take another 25 years but time is of the Essence and the present flies past so the dhulo and warsan community need to integrate as much as possibly now, they should avoid listening to the diaspora folks that want you to believe you will be a minorty among an Isaaq state because truth is the idoor are divided but unite only when there's an outside threat.

[kanadiid90]

A lot things you see on snet dont exist in real life. People in SL had enough of wars and are welcoming anyone joining the peace and that includes dhulos and wasangali. I believe that a lot can be accomplish by them fully joining SL in terms of strength and economy. Emotions should never mix with politics and business it only ruins it. PL has nothing to offer them, all they doing is basically asking the dhulos to jump off a cliff kill themselves for daroodnisim

[ZubairDragon]

somaliland will never get recognised EYDOOOORS wake up

[Sharmarke91]

Personally I do not have a problem with Somaliland succeeding from Somalia. The people of the former British protectorate are homogenous and no major conflict has erupted between them unlike the people of the former Italian colony. However, Somaliland needs to be democratic and all tribes should be represented fairly. I believe that if the Harti tribes participated in Somaliland politics there would certainly be a huge change in the current foreign and domestic political position of Somaliland. Possibly the former political alliance of USP could be resurrected which would assure the Dir and Harti tribes a fair representation. Any differences or hatred between the Harti and Isaaq clans in Somaliland can be reconciled, as we are all Somali and Muslims after all. Also, Isaaqs need to be aware that Harti especially Dhulbahante is a large and noble tribe with a rich history of self-determination, therefore to get their endorsement for Somaliland, isaaqs need to persuade them in dialogue rather than by force.