Is Somalinimo just a myth?

[Raganimo]

the ciyaal casiir who grew up in the gulf used to be complete clan illiterates, they only knew somali.
I have this friend who is my age, mid 30's, thinks he is an arab, knows next to nothing about somalia, and the existance of somaliland
was news to him, and when he found out, he was against it

lol

His dad who was reer adan, is also the same.
When he moved back to burco and started a business, he started becoming qabiil conscience,
and now flies the somaliland flag.

I was one of those ciyaal casiir

Even my father didn't really care much for qabiil as he himself grew up in the Arabian peninsula.

[Batwing]

the ciyaal casiir who grew up in the gulf used to be complete clan illiterates, they only knew somali.
I have this friend who is my age, mid 30's, thinks he is an arab, knows next to nothing about somalia, and the existance of somaliland
was news to him, and when he found out, he was against it

lol

His dad who was reer adan, is also the same.
When he moved back to burco and started a business, he started becoming qabiil conscience,
and now flies the somaliland flag.

You speak as if you lived over in Ayyyrabia, the Somalis over there are deluded by pan Arabism i swear saw lots of Somalis who claim being Arab and when you mention Cushites or Samaale they gap their mouths wide open
You one of dem Caasir kids ?

[gurey25]

I grew up in Abudhabi, but i was never one of those ciyaal casiir.
I speak arabic fluently like them, consider my self an arab as well, but Somali identity always was first.
The majority of ciyaal casiir speak only arabic, can hardly speak somali.

for me arabic was my 3rd language, after English and somali.

[Xildiiid]

Don't get mad.

Before the arabization and introduction of qabiil there was something called tolnimo. People who were related/not related but lived in the same geographical area, who had the same interests, same enemies, who looked after one and other and payed blood money together etc. we're called Tol. Dad dantoodu isku toshay.

When Islam arrived people added fairytales to cement this kinship (alliance). Qabiil is Arabic, Tol is indigenous and precedes the manifestation of Qabiil in the Horn of Africa.

This phenomenon of tolnimo still exists and it transcends qabiil unlike Somalinimo. When Somalis are outnumbered in a place they help eachother because the Somalis they live with become the new Tol. My example with Afweyne proves that Somalinimo doesn't transcend qabiil and that it is not used on a daily basis. It's a political term with political motives and often used to legitimize immoral acts like attacking innocent people.

[Batwing]

I grew up in Abudhabi, but i was never one of those ciyaal casiir.
I speak arabic fluently like them, consider my self an arab as well, but Somali identity always was first.
The majority of ciyaal casiir speak only arabic, can hardly speak somali.

for me arabic was my 3rd language, after English and somali.

For me its quite the opposite Arabic is my first followed by English and not a lick of Somali is to be seen

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[Raganimo]

Don't get mad.

Before the arabization and introduction of qabiil there was something called tolnimo. People who were related/not related but lived in the same geographical area, who had the same interests, same enemies, who looked after one and other and payed blood money together etc. we're called Tol. Dad dantoodu isku toshay.

When Islam arrived people added fairytales to cement this kinship (alliance). Qabiil is Arabic, Tol is indigenous and precedes the manifestation of Qabiil in the Horn of Africa.

This phenomenon of tolnimo still exists and it transcends qabiil unlike Somalinimo. When Somalis are outnumbered in a place they help eachother because the Somalis they live with become the new Tol. My example with Afweyne proves that Somalinimo doesn't transcend qabiil and that it is not used on a daily basis. It's a political term with political motives and often used to legitimize immoral acts like attacking innocent people.

Your definition of tolnimo is what I mean by "Somalinimo". "Somaliweyn" was supposed to be the political manifestation of that, but needless to say it didn't exactly go as planned.

[Xildiiid]

Somalinimo is fake though..

When they were rallying for Cali Samatar in Minnesota and during his burial in Mogadishu I think the word was mentioned 50 times and this is a man who oversaw state terrorism and murder.

How is tolnimo and Somalinimo the same thing? There's no code of conduct for Somalinimo, it's abstract and cannot compete with something so real as Tol.

[sahal80]

Somalinimo is fake though..

When they were rallying for Cali Samatar in Minnesota and during his burial in Mogadishu I think the word was mentioned 50 times and this is a man who oversaw state terrorism and murder.

How is tolnimo and Somalinimo the same thing? There's no code of conduct for Somalinimo, it's abstract and cannot compete with something so real as Tol.

your points are great but i dont get why you guys like to bring up so much from the past. SFG is basd on reconciliation mainly between two clans, ali samatar is attributed to one of them just like moorgan who lives now in garowe. Do you think ahmed madobe would have attended his funeral from kismayo if he was belonging to another clan? They present their clans

State funeral for goobaale despite being hated by some clans
http://www.raxanreeb.com/2016/09/madaxw ... gobsalaad/

We r like that .

[sahal80]

First and foremost let me make it clear that this thread is not about "Somaliweyn" or national identity but rather it's about ETHNIC identity. So someone who is pro Somalinimo would see all Somalis from Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya etc as having the same ethnic identity and he/she would feel a connection with those people. Someone who rejects Somalinimo would only feel a connection with members of his own tribe and Somalis from other tribes would essentially be no different from Bantus or Habashis to him/her. The tribe of the second person would basically take the place of his/her ethnic identity.

Do you, as a daarood/Isaaq//Hawiye/Dir etc believe that there is such a thing as a Somali identity that unites all Somalis?

Do you feel any connection with Somalis from other tribes or do you only care about your own tribe? Do you believe that Somalis share a close bond and have more in common with each other than with others, or do you think that "Somalinimo" is just a myth and that we are completely separate people who just happen to share a language?

As for me, I believe in Somalinimo. To me the question itself is absurd and it's silly that I even have to make this poll, but having browsed this forum for a few months now it seems like many would disagree.

I want to do a survey on how people from different tribes view Somalinimo. This is not exactly an academic study, but I do think that it would give us an indication of how people from different tribes, who frequent this qabiilist forum, view the concept of "Somalinimo" (a greater Somali identity which encompasses all somalis).

Forget arabs, blacks....if you live just one day with an ethiopian/habashi person you will see how difficult this is. You may like to talk and they don't, honest and they only look after their daily intereats and when you have no penny will ignore you

When you seek other somalis, your programmed in the same way, in the mosque or the restaurent

When you ask a help for direction, or for coach ticket no one helps you like a somali after you miss to catch the train even if you don't know eachother.....why hes helping you? Out of somalinimo!

[AwRastaale]

Somalinimo in a political narrative is none existent but Somalinimo exists as family, within social fabric, companionship and other social support.

On political level I reject it and has no value what so ever for me.

[JSL3000]

Xildiid is right tolnimo always existed somalinimo is fake.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Somalinimo does exist put aside politics.

[smartyt]

My grandmother old school somalis went down to the south in 1960 and contributed to the development of benaadir survived the war by jumping into a fast driving government military car towards kismaayio she lost her fate in somalinimo she build a nurse school in xamar

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Xildiiid is against Somalinimo but takes pride when someone mentions the Ajuuran Sultanate.

[Xildiiid]

Somalinimo is fake though..

When they were rallying for Cali Samatar in Minnesota and during his burial in Mogadishu I think the word was mentioned 50 times and this is a man who oversaw state terrorism and murder.

How is tolnimo and Somalinimo the same thing? There's no code of conduct for Somalinimo, it's abstract and cannot compete with something so real as Tol.

your points are great but i dont get why you guys like to bring up so much from the past. SFG is basd on reconciliation mainly between two clans, ali samatar is attributed to one of them just like moorgan who lives now in garowe. Do you think ahmed madobe would have attended his funeral from kismayo if he was belonging to another clan? They present their clans

State funeral for goobaale despite being hated by some clans
http://www.raxanreeb.com/2016/09/madaxw ... gobsalaad/

We r like that .

I brought it up because it's a contradiction.

Waa laba shay oo iska soo horjeeda, Somaliduna fahanku kuma yaree way is yeelyeeleyaan.

I cannot preach Somalinimo and then bury a Somali war criminal. It's ridiculous!