i agree mx seem to be the biggest subclan in JL but historically, resource wise, OG influence in IGAD( now only Kenya) PL backing most of Darods even some reer Gedood Sahalist mxs...i have seen this celi mx guy who was a hardcore moddobe supporter and hated HAG .....for all this, JL is more a kablalah/Sahalist project oo soo ayaga ma aasaasin?ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:50 amMx are bigger than Ogaden in Jubbaland. We have 8 degmo in Gedo which is the biggest state in JL. We have three more degmos in Jubada Hoose. We are the majority. OG have Dhobley, Afmadow, and Bu'ale. That's it. Once Kenya leaves. It's over. Why you think MJ + OG use the Kabalax card in Jubbaland? That shows awood jirray in MX who goes by individual clans in Jubboyinka.sahal80 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:34 am mx waa ugu badnaan karaan JL as they populate Gedo and share kismaayo but historically lower jubba was
predominantly kablalah and cawramale who got incorporated in warsangali and gaaljecel. middle jubba darod are OG. bc of the kablalax in lower jubba and its connections with garisa and Garowe it makes them the bigger boys in this State. that why mx had to use the federal govt and Xamar allied clans all the time like the gaaljecel and sheekhal but to be honest most shiikhaal and cawramale have accepted to deal with OG and harti. shiikhaal were allied with moorgan against walaalaha galgaduud. lugudheere have learned a lesson from the past. for exmaple AZANIA vice president was sacad HG so the sheekhal started dealing with madoobe who considers them the local hawiye/natives and gives them the vice prez.
Don't let KDF confuse you whose the majority in the region. That's why OG and MJ are fighting tooth and nail to stop us
Voltage compares this complicated State with Hirshabelle. when abgaal were at war with HG they gave hawadle the banaadir mayor. abgaal faylasuuf farah gololeey was asked who will win the war between abgaal and HG? he said who hawadle supports. our political position was neutral we didnt attack abgaal with HG we said cali jidle caydiidna garleh! but military wise we used to consider caydiid the USC commander. in shirkii carte we asked him to accept ali mahid as interior president he refused we suggested to hold a conference in hotel guleed and elect ali mahdi for just two years and elwct caydiid for USC. ali mahdi agreed and caydiid refused! he was another thirst dictator! so we said listen guys we r just a USC force protecting Xamar and when siyaad barre came back abgaal joined us again bc the mayor of banaadir who was omar hashi and businessman abdullahi garguurte. saas aan hiraab uga badbaadnay...we offered some backside protection for HG but never attacked abgaal. the point was abgaal giving up banadir post for hawadle to get tgeir support. to this day all our xamar posts are in the abgaal side....we controlled jowhar for 3 years under USC this was hard for abgaal. after our clash with HG while we were niyad jabsan thinking to replace it with our loss xamar and control it as jabhad loyal to ali mahdi some abgaals attacked jowhar and wi gave it up easily..suddenly abgaal hegemony resched matabaan bc of hawadle switching sides ali mahdi visited baladweyne with omar haji massale to partake the establishwment of the USCPM(peace movement) this means we ended our war againsr daarood speciallt mx this was one of the reasons why caydiid got mad and attacked hiiraan.
so the abgaals still have the same mentality and see hawadle their strategic depth(abgaal hegemony from Galgaduud to Xamar) besed on this....they had ti give up on hirshabelle too....before hassan sh all traditional abgaals put goodax as their candidate for hishabelle agreed to partake in the baladweyne conference one of them is geedi...hassan sh hijacked it to give it to Dam jadeed candidate finally they agreed in avdullahi ossoble.
you see my friend Voltage doesnt now our HAG internal settlements and he talks about like abgaal have no strategy and vision? abgaal r better than HG thet r real walaalo in the hard time. wallahi they helped us in 94 with every thing. HG will go with a new ally! looks like mx are the same judging by theur relationship with murursade against ex wawaalaha!
in short thats how abgaal see hawadle and we vote for them for villa somalia protecting our federal interests since every thing we get in the abgaal side.
voltage doesnt know all this! hawadle and abgaal are more like kablalah state the different is hawadle can get a post in every region.
clearly you dont know the land kulahaa abgaal ayaa ugu wayn ama ugu horeeya Hirshabeele halka mx ugu horeeyo JL laakiin jagooyinkii labadooda ma helin! 
alright I don’t know much about galgaduud. But this is the most realistic map I have seen online. It has mistakes but in southern Somalia at least in hiiraan,shabeellaha, maay maay land it seems quite accurate.