Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[Gubbet]

How much of that land was illegally seized from Cawliyaan under Barre's land grab scheme? If Puntland naturally resent MX, why did we offer you to take part in its formation, you were the ones that walked away. We forgave you for the massacres your clan engineered in Mudug with the help of Ogaden and Dhulbahante, I'm sure you recall the infamous MOD alliance, not to mention Barre Hiraale reign of tyranny in Kismayo, and you're surpised why some Puntlanders might hold some resentment towards MX today? This idea that MX are poor helpless victims needs to die.

All of this that is called a "red herring."

It was a GREAT strategy even in 2010, or 2011, or 2012, or 2013...it was even a boring and yawn inducing but still passingly capable of being droned upto to 2017 and 2018 even.

Now it is like arguments about US foundational legitimacy because of what allegedly took place during Columbus and Natives.

Move on. It's pulverized so badly, all the hired pens and lobbyists and consultants who were used to sell the idea of Madoobe's Jubbaland in thr last 8 years have beaten it to death.

Actually, they beat it to non-existence really.

Sinister,

Not a single Hamlet or village you could mention huh?

Your entitlement is not worth the very reason for this conversation.

Move aside and have several sests please. I am sufficiently bored to be disinterested in the very continuence of this non-issue.

[Phinks]

Move on? We did, thats why we invited you to be a stakeholder in Puntland. MX really squandered their chances with Barre Hiraale, he was just a common warlord. If only saner heads took charge and kickstarted state formation of Jubaland, we wouldn't be in this mess with Kenya.

[Gubbet]

Move on? We did, thats why we invited you to be a stakeholder in Puntland. MX really squandered their chances with Barre Hiraale, he was just a common warlord. If only saner heads took charge and kickstarted state formation of Jubaland, we wouldn't be in this mess with Kenya.

That was 22 years ago.

Do you know who was Head of Government of Somalia 22 years from the start of civil war in 91?

Abdiwali Sh Ahmed who was the 5th Marehan PM of Somalia by then if you include Acting Prime Ministers. And 3rd Marehan full Head of Government since the 91 rebellion.

That's for context.

Somalia had moved on from Siyaad in 22 years.

Sure you guys can move on from Barre Hiiraale under the same timeframe.

[Phinks]

Why do you keep bringing up this 'move on' thing? That is not the point that I'm trying to drive home here, MX had the chance to change the future of Somalia for the better, all I'm saying is that if you took that brief window of opportunity to establish Jubaland and bring in all stakeholders, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

[Osob101]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

[SpmVeteran2]

Today 80% of kismayo neighborhoods are inhabited by Absame from Fanoole to Farjano,Siinay,Dalxiiska Via Afmadow, Waaberi etc. we share Calanley with Harti’ that is improper because not all Harti are native. So we go down to Majeerten and if we go lower Cisse Maxamud. Majeertens to some extent are native to kismayo but a Bon Ilkayar that came in 1992 with Habargidir and 2006 with Alshaydhaan Fiilow has no claims to a plot of land let alone residency!

[MrSinister]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

nothing more needs to be said.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

The mighty Mudulood who stood with the colonizers and fought for Italy against the Biyomaal resistance. The mighty Young Abgaals begged for the Italian UN trusteeship to continue; are nothing without foreigners. The same Mudulood who brought the UN to Somalia again, i.e. Ali Mahdi. The same Mudulood who slave for MJs. You brought Amxaaro to Mogadishu to kick out your own brother HG because you didnt have the xiniyo to do yourself. It makes sense why you have this position. Birds of a feather flock together. You cowards have no equity in this issue. You backstabbed your own brother Caydiid for the manifesto group that was covertly controlled by the Zanzibaris. You’re the Majeerteen of Hawiye. All bark no bite. Have several seats. Your cuqdad doesn’t match your accomplishments.

[grandpakhalif]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

The mighty Mudulood who stood with the colonizers and fought for Italy against the Biyomaal resistance. The mighty Young Abgaals begged for the Italian UN trusteeship to continue; are nothing without foreigners. The same Mudulood who brought the UN to Somalia again, i.e. Ali Mahdi. The same Mudulood who slave for MJs. You brought Amxaaro to Mogadishu to kick out your own brother HG because you didnt have the xiniyo to do yourself. It makes sense why you have this position. Birds of a feather flock together. You cowards have no equity in this issue. You backstabbed your own brother Caydiid for the manifesto group that was covertly controlled by the Zanzibaris. You’re the Majeerteen of Hawiye. All bark no bite. Have several seats. Your cuqdad doesn’t match your accomplishments.

They looted the country for 8 yra and still want more qoladan ma xishooto wallahi booty clapping for Deni. They are still mentally enslaved to Majerteen, remember it was AY who sparked the 4 month bloody war which ruined the capital because of Ali mahdi colliding with majeerteen to oust caydiid. Damn fools+

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

The mighty Mudulood who stood with the colonizers and fought for Italy against the Biyomaal resistance. The mighty Young Abgaals begged for the Italian UN trusteeship to continue; are nothing without foreigners. The same Mudulood who brought the UN to Somalia again, i.e. Ali Mahdi. The same Mudulood who slave for MJs. You brought Amxaaro to Mogadishu to kick out your own brother HG because you didnt have the xiniyo to do yourself. It makes sense why you have this position. Birds of a feather flock together. You cowards have no equity in this issue. You backstabbed your own brother Caydiid for the manifesto group that was covertly controlled by the Zanzibaris. You’re the Majeerteen of Hawiye. All bark no bite. Have several seats. Your cuqdad doesn’t match your accomplishments.

They looted the country for 8 yra and still want more qoladan ma xishooto wallahi booty clapping for Deni. They are still mentally enslaved to Majerteen, remember it was AY who sparked the 4 month bloody war which ruined the capital because of Ali mahdi colliding with majeerteen to oust caydiid. Damn fools+

Big fools. As for the insecure minorities of Jubaland, you have no ACTUAL ownership of Jubaland. Puntland is the Kabalax state. Jubaland is the SADE state. Not accepting this natural property right will lead to war. Nothing more or less.

[STARKAST]

MJ boogeyman man strikes again

Nice “red herrings”

[Phinks]

Grandpa & Marixmaan: So we're defending Caydid now? The same guy that chased MX past the Kenya border? The reason why MJ/AG refused to acquiesce to Caydid was because he wanted to rule with a iron fist alongside OG, it was their bulls$%it that broke the straw for the Isaaq prompting them to leave the union, stop the calacal.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Grandpa & Marixmaan: So we're defending Caydid now? The same guy that chased MX past the Kenya border? The reason why MJ/AG refused to acquiesce to Caydid was because he wanted to rule with a iron fist alongside OG, it was their bulls$%it that broke the straw for the Isaaq prompting them to leave the union, stop the calacal.

He didn’t fight us using TPLF or KDF did he? Caydiid all the bitter issues we had with him one thing I’ll admit for his ragnimo is he fought us with his own xiniyo.

[Gubbet]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

You neither understand the topic nor even the random reference. What you do understand, as always, is how to be "reactionary."

Next.

[MrSinister]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

You neither understand the topic nor even the random reference. What you do understand, as always, is how to be "reactionary."

Next.

Why is it everyone from different tribes sees it one way and you guys don’t.