Sexual revolution in islam (fu!ck as much as you can!!!!)

[optimist_1]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]Who cares if the Hadiths are authentic or not, the entire Islamic believe system is based on myth.
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This is coming from an evolutionist .

Dont you have something usefull to do like finding out what color dinosaurs have

[Galol]

DD

I know. But if they were `authentic' in the sense that they were actually said by the prophet, they would have given us a wider space for debate no matter how limited the field.

On another level perhaps the idea of dismantling the big lie that is Islam can be done better both in principle and methodoligical dismantling of its forming components.

But then again I could be wrong.

[dhuusa_deer]

Optimist,

What are you trying to say? That evolution and Islam have equal believability?

I would disagree. Evolution has evidence and testible predictions. Where is the evidence for Allah, the prophethood of Mohammed, Quran being Allah's words, Islam being true and only religion. Any islamic testable predictions, anything we can verify and scrutinize? Let me know.

Galol,

I'm not discounting the Hadiths at all. In fact debating muslim apologists, it is the best source we have since it far more extensive in Islamic theology then the Quran. It is undoubtedly invaluable source, no questions.

Just stating my rejection of muslim 'trap' of the authenticity of hadiths. As you already know, when debating muslim apologists any Sahih hadith you present bolstering your position is dismissed out of hand by raising a doubt over its authenticity. There is always excuse whether it is sahih hadith or not. It's like graping an eel in a bucket of lotion.

From objective historical point of view, it matters not one whit whether they are sahih or not. They are valuable historical records of the muslim mindset back then. Any historian worth his salt will know the need to weed out the relaible hadith from the less reliable ones.

[Galol]

DD

Agree. May Bukhari be with you(just watch your horse at night.. he had a bit of reputation for giving horse whispering a whole new meaning..)


Optimist

Evidence awaited....

[LionHeart-112]

^^what's a 60 year paedophile doing in a thread about sex? pervert.

Dhuusa...

"From objective historical point of view, it matters not one whit whether they are sahih or not."

I LOVE THIS NEW CRACK COCAINE YOU ARE SMOKING..WHAT DO U CALL IT?

That's exactly what matters and muslims (thanks to great scholars) know exactly which ones are sahih and which ones aren't.

[dhuusa_deer]

Lioness,

It depends what it matters FOR. For nonmuslims like myself, who isn't restrained by secretarian dogmas, I see them as HISTORICAL documents. Giving us an insight into muslim mindset of the time. And historians have methods of separating trustable historical documents from less trustable ones. Hence, ALL hadiths are usefull. Sahih hadiths more useful then non-sahih hadiths.

[LionHeart-112]

^^The crack must be wearing off because you are contradicting your earlier assertion and making sense a little bit.

One minute they don't matter, the next minute they are important historical documents....Did your parents deprive you of breastmilk? That's the only explanation for your inexplicable stupidity.

[dhuusa_deer]

I never said Hadiths don't matter, your inability to comprehend my prose let you to believe that. Reread what I wrote.

BTW, the hadiths and everything they convey is based on myth of Allah's existance and Mohammed's prophethood.

[LionHeart-112]

^^there. u said it again. Hadiths don't matter. Uh ave been saying that from day one....

[SomaliLight]

dhuusa_deer,

You on my favourite somalinet forumer list.