Two state solution

[The rebel]

[quote="MAD MAC"]I'd prefer that Allah cause a massive famine or disease or something that wipes out every human from Morocco to Damascus. Then maybe we could sta over again with normal people.

OR maybe Allah could do us all a collective favor and cause a MASSIVE earthquake that destroys every holy site there ever was.

OR maybe he could do both.[/quote]

LOOOL Never lauged like this. Why you want to kill us now? You know we aren't all Muslims in this region . There are Arabs Christians between us too. I understand your hate for Muslim but what about none-Muslims middle easterns

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Kill them too. Christians, Jews, Muslims.....get rid of all of them. Then maybe the rest of us can have a little peace.

[michael_ital]

Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out ??

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]MAD MAC,

The Muslims are straight up & honest about it..........the Zionists/Israeli politicians will fool you into thinking they want peace but would wipe out the entire Muslim world if they had the chance.[/quote]


but muslims fight EVERY1. everywhere in the world where muslims and non-muslims are in close proximity, there's strife. If muslims have issues only with jews, then we can discuss the causes of it. However when muslims have problem with every1, the problem is with muslims.


Muslims need to learn how to co-exist with others or accept the natural consequences of being hostile to every1.

[Gedo_Boy]

Muslims just happen to be everywhere & the conflicts between ethnicities is something that has always existed.

Neighbors always fight, that's all there is to it. People treat Muslim as if it's an ethnicity that's always fighting.

Why were the French incessantly fighting the Germans.
Why are the British & Irish always quarreling.
Why do the Chinese fight the Japanese.
Why do Japanese & Koreans fight.

[dhuusa_deer]

Then why is it only muslims can't get along with others while every1 else amiably co-exists?

Again, bear in mind it's not that muslims are in conflict with others but that they're in conflict with EVERYONE different from them.

[Gedo_Boy]

"Then why is it only muslims can't get along with others while every1 else amiably co-exists? "

Give me one century in history when everyone else amiably co-existed?

[ariel sharon]

shalom

muslims and conflicts wid der neighbours or der own countrymen.

nigeria===between muslims and christians
egypt==== same as above
sudan====same as above & animists
ethiopia===same as above
eritrea====same as above
india=====wid hindus
phillipines==wid christians
chechnya===wid christians
thailand===wid budhists
indonesia==wid christians and hindus
israel====wid jews.

iraq====shiats and sunnis.

shalom

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]"Then why is it only muslims can't get along with others while every1 else amiably co-exists? "

Give me one century in history when everyone else amiably co-existed?[/quote]

I can't for it doesn't exist. But my question didn't touch on the want for everyone co-existing in amity, was it? I'll ask again, taking the past few decades as example: why are muslims unable to peacefully live with others of different faith?

The point I'm trying to drive home is, if you haven't grasped it yet, muslims in general have problem with ppl of different faiths. My evidence to support that claim is muslim hostility with ALL shahada nay-sayers.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Gedo
Take it a step further. Not only are Muslims in violent conflict with everyone around them, but they cite their faith as their reason why. Do you ever hear IRA members yell "long live the Pope"!!!??? Do you ever hear Hinus proclaim support for Cows when fighting Muslims? How about Russians in Chechnya? Are they yelling "Christ is Great" when carrying out a military campaign. Do any of these groups cite religion as the motivator for their cause? Yet even when Muslims are fighting Muslims they say it's a "Jihad". They are always citing Islam as their motivator, their political objective is always religiously linked. Well, you can't fight everyone around you, claim it's for religious reasons, and then pretend that religion isn't the motivator. Clearly Muslims have a problem getting along with others. You have even said it yourself, that Islam can not come to grips with the world as it is.

[Gedo_Boy]

MAD MAC,

On a somewhat side-note, you have to question the strength of the religious conviction of such a group of diverse ethnic peoples with Islam being the only common denominator.

Forget the current politics for a moment, which is enveloped with layers upon layers of obscurity, spin, manipulation, conspiracy etc.

Have you asked yourself exactly what is it about Islam that causes it to resonate so deeply in the hearts of peoples from virtually every part of the world, with no exception?

I doubt that falsehood coming from the mouth of an unlettered Bedouin could do so much to the hearts of people.

[Gedo_Boy]

Keep in mind, when Jesus walked the earth, the elites accused him of being a warmonger, of practicing & preaching evil, of disrupting the status quo, of causing instability & division, of trying to start civil war, of being a lying basstard, of all of those things..........

Ultimately, his threat to the social structure is what prompted the Romans to try to kill him. According to Christians, he was killed.

I wonder who instigated all that animosity between the Romans & Jesus



And indeed, We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) ]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"On a somewhat side-note, you have to question the strength of the religious conviction of such a group of diverse ethnic peoples with Islam being the only common denominator.

Forget the current politics for a moment, which is enveloped with layers upon layers of obscurity, spin, manipulation, conspiracy etc.

Have you asked yourself exactly what is it about Islam that causes it to resonate so deeply in the hearts of peoples from virtually every part of the world, with no exception?

I doubt that falsehood coming from the mouth of an unlettered Bedouin could do so much to the hearts of people."

I don't question it at all. Islam clearly resonates with a lot of people like Crhistianity does. It provides an answer of what happens after death. Death is the one thing that everyone fears. The major faiths of the world answer this question in one way or another. People take comfort in that. But be advised, Islam is the fastest growing religion for ONLY one reason - birth rates. People are breeding faster in Muslim regions than non-Muslim ones. But Christianity is the largest religion of the world - by far. It's not even close.

But none of that effects me. Most of the people of the world are poorly educated sheep who follow blindly what they are told. I am not impressed by the thinking of the majority. I'm smarter than the vast majority of the population and better educated. I don't feel compelled to follow the crowd. If the vast majority of the people on the planet want to adhere to nonsense coming out of the deserts of the middle east, that's their buisiness. We only have a problem is they want to make it mine.

Islam, Christianity, Judaism......it's all shit. Fantasies bred from minds that spent too much time in the hot sun.

[Kamal35]

"Keep in mind, when Jesus walked the earth, the elites accused him of being a warmonger, of practicing & preaching evil, of disrupting the status quo, of causing instability & division, of trying to start civil war, of being a lying basstard, of all of those things..........

Ultimately, his threat to the social structure is what prompted the Romans to try to kill him. According to Christians, he was killed.

I wonder who instigated all that animosity between the Romans & Jesus"



-----> Gedo. Actually, it was not Romans who had animosity against Jesus. It was jews, who felt disappointed with him when he said he was the Messiah and, at the end of the day, he couldn't prove that. They accused him of being a false Messiah and wanted him to be killed. Jesus was handed to the Romans, who had the power by then. When Jesus didn't reject he was the King of the Jews (it meaning he was against the Roman Caesar), Romans decided to crucify him in order to maintain the law and order and not to allow a kind of revolution. Jesus was crucified and it was the end of the story.

79 years later, Paul heard about it and invented the false myth of Jesuchrist. The rest is a whole completly manipulated story.

Trully, Jesus was a kind of mad guy who thought he was, himself, the son of God.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Kamal
The truth is that it is very diffficult to unravel fact from fiction concerning Jesus. The accounts of his life, ostensibly first hand, do not come from documents of the time. So how much is manipulation and how much is not, is not possible to determine. Some historians question whether or not Jesus even existed, as there is no first hand evidence of such, although it seems probable that he did within the context of what is known. Who said what and when can no longer be determined. What can be determined is that any man who was preaching and drawing large crowds while questioning aspects of the status quo was going to be executed in the Roman Empire. In the particular case of Jesus, however, it was the Israeli "Puppet" government ruled by the Pharisees which had the most to lose, and therefore they were probably ultimately responsible for his execution. The Romans might or might not have cared much, although the historical record is insufficient for us to make a solid determination.