For the people of Sool, take preemptive strike and hit BurCo

[ABSAME']

and hence the big shaft. You get beautiful libs

[*+*Bliss+*+]

abdihutu. first time i agree with u. caghdheers r dumb. they hide behind darod name cuz their langab qabiil is weak

[ABSAME']

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]ABSAME~

Your advice is dumb.

You are always preaching Darood victory yet I haven't heard of the Absame getting any notable leadership position in the Darood camp.

This MJ kid told me, "Hawiye have Abgaal, Darood have Absame."[/quote]


Abdi, you should not accept as gospel everything you read from the boards. Absame folks are split on the TFG , nevertheless, their political discontent will be solved from a positive angle : R$D Reconciliation and Dialogue.

How can you compare the donkey Abgaal and the gifted Absame. The best Somalis are born of this subclan of Daarood, which populationwise are more numerous than Hawiye.

[ABSAME']

Bliss, you should stay above the political fray Cuz your sweet, nasty funky stuff can be satisfied by an Absame nigga

[XidigtaJSL]

[quote="X.Playa"]Xplosive,

weren't you a kid in 1991?? you just said in the other thread when the USC came to Muqdisho in 1991 and Afweyne fled you were in UAE in Shaarac Al Jawaazaat asking your dady for candy money.

So kido on what authority you speake of?? your a kid in 1991,

The H.Y from 1989 to 1991 cleansed Daarood of most of Sanaag, Fiqifuliye, Jidali, Yufule, Awarbogays the only villages Dhulbahnate settle in Sanaag were in the hands of the H.Y SNM section in particular the Gadhweyn and Sacad Yoonis. The Dhulbahnate despite their loud farts during the Somali National Armey war with the Isaaq when they lost the goverment troops they were an easy pick for 2 sub-clans.


Waar ninyoow shaw taariikhdii baad haysaa. This exactly how the war over Sanaag was waged. The harti(Dhulbahante and Warsangelli) with some Haber Jeclo Vs HY bari bay ahyd sheekado, this was not SNM or Isaaq Vs Daarood ee this war was a win all or lose all war, gaashaanbuurtii harti ayaa laga fadhiisanwaayey, especially when the government troops were supporting them, they killed 4 HY men in Ceerigaabo and this was the flame that started the whole fire, HY bari vowed the cleanhouse, every Gadhweyn man and Sacad Yunis of fighting age either picked up the gun, those outside of Sanaag sent money contributions to the war effort, we had war fund here, HY bari rallied behind the former Somali commando units commander and Abaanduulahii SNM ee aaga bari Col. Axmed Mirre Nuux and the formidable Talaabo, Talaabo on one front fought the Warsangeli, the Warsangeli did put up a fight but they evntually lost and were driven as far as Boosaaso, on the other front Col. Mirreh swept Dhulbahante first from Ceerigaabo and then Jiidaali and every little Dhubahante tuulo along Sanaag was taken by Ina Mirreh, most of the Dhulbahante ran away to Laas Caanood. When the war dust cleared over Ceerigaabo and Sanaag state the HY bari was the only group standing

When Col. Axmed killed around 300 rodents in Xudun and most of the Dhulbahnate fled south to Laas Caanod the entire Dhulbahnate gathered and hid in laas Caanood, Buhoodle was taking by the H.J in 1989.

The SNM by then have cleansed all your rodents from Ceerigaabo to Xudun 450km square.

Just when the final bush to laas Caanood was about to take place , Garaad Cabdighani Garaad Jaamac waving his headscarve crying out loud for Cabdiraxmaan Tuur to not allow the SNM to get into Laas Caanood, then and only then was the last Qurjiile village was saved.

Then the Warsangali, Gahayle, Ugayslabe, Muxmued and few Qurjiile began to bush from Badhan refusing to submit to the SNM as the Qurjiile did before them.

Then from 1991 to 1993 when finally the Warsangali and their Indian Ugeyslabe cousins srrounded. I have even the video of the final agreement and cease fire in Xero Warsangali.

The H.Y by 1992 Had entire Sanaag excpt Las Qori which the nature of its mountain made it a formidable town to capture.

I'd give you a one credit though.. you are better fighters then reer Futoweyn Darwiish wanna bes, the Warsangali never attended the Burco meeting of 1991 as though they didn't yet submit , but the phat azz rodent the Dhilos were their foot in their mouth submiting for the SNM.[/quote]

[Gedo_Boy]

In my opinion, there is no way that Sland's current borders will be recognized, because it is based on nothing more than a colonial artifact.

Even Matt Bryden has toned down his rhetoric as of late. I heard him last week @ a conference in DC.............

Using Somaliland's logic, we should all be Abyssinia because at one point all of East Africa was under the Abyssinian Empire. Therefore, Ethiopia has a legitiimate claim on us.

The Int'l Community knows that there is contested land between Somaliland & Puntland...........recognizing Somaliland as it stands would just create a Civil War which would make recognition meaningless. It would create rebels where there are none.

If there are flag-burning demonstrations with S-land as deep as Togdheer, who would risk granting independence

[XidigtaJSL]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]In my opinion, there is no way that Sland's current borders will be recognized, because it is based on nothing more than a colonial artifact.

Using Somaliland's logic, we should all be Abyssinia because at one point all of East Africa was under the Abyssinian Empire. Therefore, Ethiopia has a legitiimate claim on us.

The Int'l Community knows that there is contested land between Somaliland & Puntland...........recognizing Somaliland as it stands would just create a Civil War which would make recognition meaningless.[/quote]

Wrong again. Many predicted Siyad Barre will never fall. Somaliland is ligh years ahead of this mini tribal state of Bugland(never exists) the border issue of Souther Sool will be solved one way or another, Somaliland recognition or not, is here to stay

[Gedo_Boy]

Just from my analysis, there seem to be the Isaaqs who are mainly interested in controlling their own territory, and would consider a Federalist-styled rule of law with regional autonomy. Many of these have blood relations or at least live in close proximity to the Northern DAroods.

And there are those, I gather they are the Hargeisa political elite, who stand to gain significantly from the status quo and would benefit enormously from Independence.

It is my impression that this latter group is pushing for independence for the main reason that if they were to join Somalia, it would dillute their political & social influence.

[Gedo_Boy]

XidigtaJSL,

Some see Puntland as a tribal enclave, some see Somaliland as a tribal enclave.

But the main difference btwn Pland & Sland is that although you can accuse Pland of being a tribal enclave, they are not in favor of secession.

Even Gadabursi people I speak to are not in favor of secession, even though the Sland president is Gadabursi.

That would be like the President of Puntland being Ugaaslabe, would you look at it any differently?

Would you say: "Look at how progressive Puntland is, their President isn't an MJ.........how refreshing..........WOW, this is Democracy @ it's fineset"


Or would you say: "Ugaaslabe President or not, MJs control Puntland."

[XidigtaJSL]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Just from my analysis, there seem to be the Isaaqs who are mainly interested in controlling their own territory, and would consider a Federalist-styled rule of law with regional autonomy. Many of these have blood relations or at least live in close proximity to the Northern DAroods.

And there are those, I gather they are the Hargeisa political elite, who stand to gain significantly from the status quo and would benefit enormously from Independence.

It is my impression that this latter group is pushing for independence for the main reason that if they were to join Somalia, it would dillute their political & social influence.[/quote]

Do not asuume based on few conversations with individuals here in qurbo, most Somalilanders, wether Isaaq, Gudabiirsi and even surprisngly some harti Somalilanders are for strongly for Somaliland, visit Somaliland, or look at the recent demonstrations taken place in Hargiesa, Burao, Ceerigaabo, Boorame, Berbera and some parts in Sool and Cayn.


Most of the Eastern Isaaqs(HJ&HY) are 100% behind Somaliland, even those who live with Daaroods are in favor of an independent Somaliland. Ina Mirreh's mother is Dhulbahante Naaleeye Axmed so is Ismail Xaaji Nuur' the son of a Warsengali mother, they both support Somaliland fully

[Gedo_Boy]

^^^ Those are politicians.........their interests are different.

That's like me saying Buuba is proof Isaaqs support the ICU.

[XidigtaJSL]

Soomalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa " wan weyn ilaa la qalo(bireeyo) indhihiisu cirka ma arkaan" See these pictures of protestors in Ceerigaabo Sanaag, an Isaaq harti shared city, where the majority of the citizens have spoken clearly in favor of an independent Somaliland


http://www.qarannews.com/show/12360.html

[Gedo_Boy]

^^^ God Bless Reer Sh. Isaaq

Ilaahey ha idin barakeeyo mustaqbalkiin

[XidigtaJSL]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]^^^ God Bless Reer Sh. Isaaq

Ilaahey ha idin barakeeyo mustaqbalkiin[/quote]


Ducadaad uugu ducaysay Duriya waad ku mahadsantahay brother, ana waxaan ku dari lahaa ilaahay Soomalida oo dhan mustaqbalkooda ha hagaajiyo... Amiiiiiiiiiiiin

[Ben Dover]

Xidigta, I never heard that account before of the wars in Sanaag. HJ certainly didnt side with the Harti against another Isaaq, that never happened!!

How could the HJ of Sanaag be in the side of Harti when HJ in Sool were battling them? It just doesnt make sense.

The wars in Sanaag were waged between Isaaq on one side (SNM) and Darood on the other, faanka iska dhaaf abti