Daraawiish and the Kacaan Revisionsim.

[X.Playa]

When ever you hear the name Swayn you have to know that is the first 2 expeditions ( Afbakayle , Fardhidin and Beerdhiga (ergo)) the British make a distinctions between clans and the Dervish , so simply because the British punished some offending clans that doesn't mean these clans were Dervish it means these clans dealt with the Dervish so few skirmishes here and there where the Dhulbahnate were punished means nothing really, what it means is that during that peroid the Dhulbahnate were punished for some reasons other the Dervish wars, fro example some of the Maxamuud Garaad's were punished for past raides and offences that predated the Dervish. At the end of 1901 most of these clan's Caaqil's came to the coast and paid compensantion for their offence and got some of their herds back and paid alligence to the goverment.

[Siciid85]

X.Playa i know, even in the source it mentions some of them were punished for attacking a Kariba. While others were punished for attacking passing by caravans.
Inconclusion they suffered the most whether under the British or the Dervish, meesha wax ay ku fanaan ma yeelo marka.

[X.Playa]

siciid i think i might have found the image of old sage Guuleed Xaaji from 1907 at age of 101.

[Coldoon]

When ever you hear the name Swayn you have to know that its the first 2 expeditions ( Afbakayle , Fardhidin and Beerdhiga (ergo)) the British make a distinctions between clans and the Dervish , so simply because the British punished some offending clans that doesn't mean these clans were Dervish it means these clans dealt with the Dervish so few skirmishes here and there where the Dhulbahnate were punished means nothing really, what it means is that during that peroid the Dhulbahnate were punished for some reasons other the Dervish wars, fro example some of the Maxamuud Garaad's were punished for past raides and offences that predated the Dervish.

Sheekadu ma waxee sii gaadhi Maxamuud Garaad ka hadal? Maxaa ku xiiga? Naalaye iyo Nuur ama Hagar iyo Jamaac. Isaaqii Snet ma waxee caamal ka dhigtayn ka hadal Dhulbahante iyo jiifisa. Siidii boqortooyankii duunida soo maray, like the Pharaohs, Romans, Persians, Mongols, Umayyads, Abbasids, bu manta Dhulbahante galay. The only difference between Dhulbahante and those Empires is that, Dhulbahante is still standing. Marka, X.Playa iyo his cousins, Dhulbahante mooyane, tarikh kale aad ka hadashin ama Isaaq leeyahay miyeesan jirin? So, please, continue discussing Daarod iyo Dhulbahanteba. Schoolada Hargeysa wa iin laga biilowaa barashada Boqortooyada Daarod.

[Siciid85]

That would be excellent historic picture if it turns out to be him. Guuleed Xaaji the man who led the first attacks in Daroor against the Ogaden pushing them out and
resulting the Reer Haroun(Reer Isaaq) Suldaan being executed on the spot.

[X.Playa]

Thats Guuleed Xaaji (the sitting old man) at age of 101 as it says in the book " a woman's pealsure trip trhough somaliland" she asked Xaaji Muuse Faarax Igre to talk the old man into taking his picture. More imprtantly then anything else thats the man who;s fued with Xirsi Amaan resulted in the death of Sultan Xirsi Amaan in 1879. a man who authord many somali saying including "". This picture was taken in 1906 and by then he was 101 years old.

[Siciid85]

Excellent picture great job. Now it can be added to the collection of historical pictures of historical Somali figures at those times like Duale Idriis , Igare, Guuleed Xaaji,
Suldaan Nuur etc. Waxas ayaa taariikh la daha Coldoon not the Dhuunihantes who don't even have a single image of a well known figure of theirs in 20th, 19th century.
I wonder if there is images of Mohamed Sharmarke or his father? they were alive in the same time as Duale Idriis . I have another image of Duale Idriis with some another guy
which he looks much older and the place looks like India.

[The_Emperior5]

Indeed we have the ciidagale at dayax weerar




Risaadlr Haji Muse farah igare




Chief Ducaale idriis




Sultan Nuur Axmed amaan



Guleed Xaaaji



i am sure we can find a picture of Abdilahi shixiri and Sultan Diiriye aswell i am going to London in a few weeks time will look for it.

[X.Playa]

There must be an image of him some how he was always in Berbera most likly he died in the 1890's, his both sons Axmed Shire and Cabdi Guhaad died at the camel raid on Habar Yoonis camels " Daboolane". When they followed the raiding Dervishs they were outnumbered the battle took place around Galaadi and Axmed Shire the commander told the son of Guuleed Xaaji that they were outnumbered by the Dervish , but ina Guuleed Xaaji refused to back donw and the battle caused the death of Axmed Shire and his brother Cabdi Guhaad , later the Mullah composed on of his poem on that battle " waxa Shire Warmaha loogu culay waa ciilkii loo qabaye" also Salaan Carrabay has a "shiinlay" on the death of Axmed Shire.

[Siciid85]

Interesting piece of history. There must be some image of him and his father, at first i though it might be found in the book first Foosteps in East Africa by Richard Burton
since he visited Zeila. But with no luck for several years i have searched other books, until one day i found a picture in Virginia university library, it had the caption
Chief Sharmarkays with a couple of slaves, i had that link about 2 years ago but one day for some odd reason the website no longer worked. That is how i lost it.

[The_Emperior5]

What about Abdilahi shixiri one of the top Dervish Political leaders there must be an image of him aswell the man who signed the ilig treaty the man who was best friends with Muhammad bin salah. Didn't haji muse farah and abdilahi shixiri travel together to mecca when abdulahi shixiri abandoned dooxatati some people say there is a picture out there of them together.

[X.Playa]

Ina shixir went with 4 others, sheekh ismaaciil isxaaq, cali nayroobi both dhulbahnate and sheekh maxamed a warsangali. But in 1909 the visiting governer of sudan Sir Wingate had an interviews with both Xirsi Kooshin and Ina Shixiri , but Durham university who has Wingate's collection told me they only have pictures taken by Wingate of somaliland in 1897 and there is np images from the 1909 visits. So Cabdilaahi Shixiri has no image in the British side , maybe the Italians could have an image of him because he was born in Aden and lived much of his life and met the Italians many times at Aden.

[Coldoon]

There must be some image of him and his father

What about Abdilahi shixiri one of the top Dervish Political leaders there must be an image of him

This two said the exact same thing. Funny how, all of a sudden picture/images of these men are resurfacing. The fact of the matter is that, anyone can take old images and edit it with a caption of his choice. You guys know that many people, or almost 99.9% of Somalis living today wouldn't know how so and so looked like 100-130 years ago. Therefore, you are using some great tactics.

1. Get a picture that has never been seen before or simply an old picture from a 100 or so years ago.
2. Edit it/Photo-shop it and write a caption on it.
3. Repost it and with your own claim.
4. Notify your cousins to agree with you.

Easy tactics to brainwash the naive masses. Not gonna work with me.

[The_Emperior5]

Sorry we are not like the daaroods who use on their coat of arms an image of the hagoogane tribal forces and actually think they were the dervishes

Or like the crazy websites of ur clan who think every single person who sits on a horse must be a dervish talk about delusions

[X.Playa]

Letter from the majeerteen sultan Maxmed Maxmud to Cali Garaad ( now which Cali garaad?? the Dhulos or the Warsangali) can't tell.