the idea of alqaeda and suicide bombing cults like in somali

[musika man]

i'm neva interested in politics, my main motivation in life is to be a wealthy person, but recently i read many books and articles concerning the topic in question. what i understand now is these movements ideology comes from syed qutb, an egyptian scholar from a priveleged egyptian background who didn't like the western materialist lifestyle. he visited this country and wrote a critique of its culture. sensitive time for arabs cause most arab regimes were defeated and humilialated by little israel in 1967 war. instead of the arabs throwing the israelis into the ocean, they lost new and more important places like jeruselam. qutb and his followers were arrested and tortured by abdinasir, that is when he declared takfir, this was the first time the notion was used in modern islamic politics. it means if you are not like us, don't fight for our cause, you deserve to die cause you too is an 'infidel'. just like invoking g.bush's theme. 'you are with us or with the enemy'.
fastforward to afghanistan in the 70's and 80's. the c.i.a, pakistan and saudi arabia established a resistance non afghani army to fight against the soviets in afghanistan. every arab and islamic country sent their most violent and crazy ideologists to afghanistan, the arab leaders were thinking most of them will die there. one of the main saudi organisers of the arab mujahidiins was a deceased saudi called sheikh azzam. this sheikh preached jihad and when ossama bin laden came to afghanistan, sheikh azzam became his mentor, spiritually and practically. things looked normal for the saudi resistance led militia, till ayman al zawahiri who was brought to afghanistan with the courtesy and blessing of the egyptian security apparatus. ayman didn't like the soft soft approach of sheikh azzam and was a takfiri and a qutbist believer and managed to convert bin laden to his thoughts=birth of alqaeda and the cult of suicide bombing.

add your thoughts.

[*Arabman]

I am surprised you didn't mention Wahhabi. Only takfiri and qutbist. Why?

[musika man]

[quote="*Arabman"]I am surprised you didn't mention Wahhabi. Only takfiri and qutbist. Why?[/quote]

^^^

cause i always maintained the position that most wahabis are peaceful muslims. since you are a takfiri muslim or a qutbist, what is your take on the subject?

[*Arabman]

[cause i always maintained most wahabis are peaceful muslims. since you are a takfiri muslim, what is your take?]

There's no Muslim who calls him/herself takfiri. Also, there's no Muslim who calls him/herself qutbist. So, I don't know who you're talking about, therefore, my take on the topic is on hold until you clarify.

[musika man]

[quote="*Arabman"][cause i always maintained most wahabis are peaceful muslims. since you are a takfiri muslim, what is your take?]

There's no Muslim who calls him/herself takfiri. Also, there's no Muslim who calls him/herself qutbist. So, I don't know who you're talking about, therefore, my take on the topic is on hold until you clarify.[/quote]

^^^

they call themselves many different names like salafis, 7izbul tahriir, and many other names, share with us.

[*Arabman]

[they call themselves many different names like salafis, 7izbul tahriir, and many other names, share with us.]

According to Wikipedia, the following scholars are salafis:

Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal

Imam Bukhari

Ibn Taymiyyah

Ibn al-Qayyim

Were those scholars takfiris?

And according to Wikipedia, 7izbul tahriir is a Sunni pan-Islamist political party founded by a Sufi scholar named Taqiuddin al-Nabhani. The Wikipedia article doesn't include one salafi, takfiri or qutbist word.

Is 7izbul tahriir takfiri?

[Executive]

[quote="*Arabman"]

Ibn Taymiyyah

[/quote]


Mashallah, I don't know much about Islamic scholar but a read book called "The Economic Concepts of Ibn Taimiyah"


Amazing scholar

[musika man]

[quote="*Arabman"][they call themselves many different names like salafis, 7izbul tahriir, and many other names, share with us.]

According to Wikipedia, the following scholars are salafis:

Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal

Imam Bukhari

Ibn Taymiyyah

Ibn al-Qayyim

Were those scholars takfiris?

And according to Wikipedia, 7izbul tahriir is a Sunni pan-Islamist political party founded by a Sufi scholar named Taqiuddin al-Nabhani. The Wikipedia article doesn't include one salafi, takfiri or qutbist word.

Is 7izbul tahriir takfiri?[/quote]

^^^^

1. wikepedia is not a reliable source. qutbist and other suicide cultists claimed these sheikhs were salafis and accept their suicide ideology. in a cult, you have to make evil actions acceptable to people.
2. the prophet and the 4 caliphs neva called themselves salafis, qutbists, takfiris and were against suicide cultism and that makes the suicide cults a new invention.
3. this topic is about alqaeda and the suicide bombing cults like the new tactics in somalia. i gave you a brief of its history. your comment???

[musika man]

here is wot some dude wrote about those cults.

[quote="gurey25"]

al tabligh good people stay away from politics and concentrate on dacwa. normal sunni ofcourse

Hizbu taxriir are a revolutionary group that wants to create a global khalifate, they are narrow minded isolated and an ofshoot of the salafists and old muslim brotherhood qutbists, they are ineffective and basically harmless, but the western intelligence are on thier case these days.

al islax i have no idea


al takfir wal hijra= technically khawarij, basically wierd cultists, they are so extreme they consider al qaeda and others to be soft and western puppets.[/quote]

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[qalanjo_03]

this does not make suisude bobming any less thanbi it is still wrong. do yu agree?

[*Arabman]

[1. wikepedia is not a reliable source. qutbist and other suicide cultists claimed these sheikhs were salafis and accept their suicide ideology. in a cult, you have to make evil actions acceptable to people.]

Wikipedia is an OK source. If you dispute Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn al-Qayyim were salafis and thereby takfiris-- then, produce your evidence. Qutbism isn't a cult, otherwise, produce evidence proving it's.

[2. the prophet and the 4 caliphs neva called themselves salafis, qutbists, takfiris and were against suicide cultism and that makes the suicide cults a new invention.]

Provide evidence proving Islam is against suicide cultism.

[3. this topic is about alqaeda and the suicide bombing cults like the new tactics in somalia. i gave you a brief of its history. your comment???]

But you didn't mention the new tactics in somalia. True, you gave a brief history, but your clarifications are vague or confusing.

[here is wot some dude wrote about those cults.]

The comments of a Somalinet poster isn't an acceptable source; it could be his/her opinion. You have to provide an outside source.

[qardasay]

The Thought of Sayyid Qutb: http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/thesis ... /home.html

[musika man]

^^^
arabman, if wikepedia is your only source and you are o.k with it, let us examine wikepdia. it is a cyber dictionary where everyone can post and edit it, an open source for a cyber dictionary, if that is o.k with you why not others opinions? i said, "the prophet and the 4 caliphs neva called themselves salafis, qutbists, takfiris and were against suicide cultism and that makes the suicide cults a new invention." is that true or not, they neva called themselves those names? neva in the history of islam under the wars of the prophet was there ever a suicide missions, true or not? i thought you follow the examples of the prophet. said that, there are many muslim sects who claim to be in the using quraan and 7adith sources to be in a safe mode. given you accept suicide bombings, which has never been done during the prophet's wars, where are your sources from, qutbist=takfiri and if you believe in suicide bombing is a requirement in islam, why are you not undertaking it? who is to be killed? like in irak, other muslims?

qardasay, thanks for the link and it shows qutbi was the new jihadi philosopher, and people like arabman pretend to believe, but are short of acting upon on it. it is politics not religion. i heard about intelligence agents who act like jihadists. indhocadde is not a religious person and not even a nationalist, but if we lsiten to arabman, he is in a position now to abuse qutbism itself. arabman will tell us why he should be considered. let him explain why suicide bombing in somalia is acceptable to him.

[*Arabman]

[it is a cyber dictionary where everyone can post and edit it, an open source for a cyber dictionary, if that is o.k with you why not others opinions?]

Not everyone can edit it, nor can everything be edited. If you try to distort an article, your IP gets banned. Try to change Bill Clinton's DOB to 1901, and report to us what happens.

[i said, "the prophet and the 4 caliphs neva called themselves salafis, qutbists, takfiris and were against suicide cultism and that makes the suicide cults a new invention."]

And as I said, there's no Muslim who calls him/herself qutbist or takfiri. I am not sure there are Muslims who call themselves salafi. Of the many videos and audios of Bin Laden or Al-Zawahiri, I have never heard or read each calling himself salafi. You failed to provide evidence proving Islam is against suicide cultism, and qutbism or takfirism is a cult.

[given you accept suicide bombings, which has never been done during the prophet's wars, where are your sources from, qutbist=takfiri and if you believe in suicide bombing is a requirement in islam, why are you not undertaking it? who is to be killed? like in irak, other muslims?]

Are you saying bombs were invented in the time of the prophet (pbuh), but Muslims at the time never resorted to suicide bombings?

[let him explain why suicide bombing in somalia is acceptable to him.]

Muslims call it martyrdom operation. It's non-Muslims who call it suicide bombing so to make it sound bad, in the hope Muslims will abandon resistance to liberate their occupied countries, defend themselves, etc.

[musika man]

[quote="*Arabman"]

'Not everyone can edit it, nor can everything be edited. If you try to distort an article, your IP gets banned. Try to change Bill Clinton's DOB to 1901, and report to us what happens.'

my point exaxctly, bill clinton and islam aint the same, but wiki can be edited, unless contested. the point is wiki is an opinion based like qutbi philosophy, not allah's.

"And as I said, there's no Muslim who calls him/herself qutbist or takfiri. I am not sure there are Muslims who call themselves salafi. Of the many videos and audios of Bin Laden or Al-Zawahiri, I have never heard or read each calling himself salafi. You failed to provide evidence proving Islam is against suicide cultism, and qutbism or takfirism is a cult."

the point is with due respect to the brief history i gave you, zawahiri and suicide bomb cultist can be traced to the takfiri qutbi cult, politics not islam. you haven't offered alternative argument. a new sect call it=salafi=divide, multiply, add and subtract=suicide bombing cult never existed in islam.

"Are you saying bombs were invented in the time of the prophet (pbuh), but Muslims at the time never used suicide bombings?"

if you follow the prophet, you follow his rules and suicide is not acceptable. war or not. you dudes scream takfir and bid3a, what is bid3a, not suicide bombing?

"Muslims call it martyrdom operation. It's non-Muslims who call it suicide bombing so to make it sound bad, in the hope Muslims will abandon resistance to liberate their occupied countries, defend themselves, etc."

exactly, muslims like you can believe what they want, but your views is not based on islam, on muslim qutbist politics. like it is fun killing in irak other muslims, cause he declares them takfiris? you didnt answer. same as you didnt answer why not you haven't tried suicide bombing yourself if you strongly believe in, or, you are an agent fishing for jihadists like azzam and salahudiin? easy to pick. no sane somali believes in suicide bombing in somalia or beyond. tell me why you do?