Are Somalis really brave as they claim?

[Sir-Luggoyo]

We claim to be the bravest nation on the face of mother green earth, and yet, where we ended up says otherwise.

Most of the continent of Africa is virgin green, lush landscapes and tropical forests rich with exotic fauna and flora, however, the patch we inherited from our "brave" ancestors consists of arid land, barren plateaus beaten by scorching sun, with two measly rivers ridden with merciless mosquitoes. We know that we did not sprout from the ground, we must moved from somewhere. If we say we moved at will and volition, why did we chose to come here? That doesn't make sense, and the only reasonable answer to that is, we were chased, we were evicted of our land and pushed to this corner until there was no way to run except to swim to India.

Check out every corner where there are Somali inhabitants, from Jobouti (hell on earth) Ogaden (wastelands) NFD (I wonder why Kenya insists) and the figure 7 Somalia,. This all points to one thing, our ancestors were the biggest cowards on mother earth, and the stories they circulated among themselves and recited to us of being brave warriors is just a myth to boost their spineless characters

[somalinetguy]

if you want to know the somalis , you have to know the camels first , the camels will give you the answers.

The camels can not prosper or live in place where it rains a lot , the camels will contract diarrhea if they eat wet vegetation and die.
So why on earth would somalis go to live in ethiopian and kenya highlands and if they do go there they would have to change their way of lives and assimilate with the locals people and lose somalis culture (some somalis did settle in the southern ethiopian highland with the oromos and became farmers and lose the somalis language).
Somalis viewed farmers as low caste.

in summary (our ancester) the somalis's lives were dictated by camels.wherever camels can go , you will find a somali

[COSTA]

WALAAHI SOMALIS ARE NOT BRAVE

THEY ONLY FIGHT WHEN THEY SEE ANOTHER SOMALI

NOW EVERY HAWIYE SAYS LETS WAIT WHEN HABASHI LEAVES
THEN WE WILL FU3K MAJEERTEEN

MAJEERTEEN ARE PU.SSY THEY CAN ONLY FIGHT WHEN THEY
HAVE ETHIOPIAN SUPPORT JUST SEE KISMAAYO

[The_Emperior5]

Only habargedir brave

[cabdallah252]

desert?

http://somalia.sitesled.com/shabeellaha

[eyes-only]

Luggoyo, I don't agree with you there. Somalis are nomads, worse still Somalia has the most camels in the world. I believe Somalia was not always an arid land but a lush green land with plenty of water. The camels caused the intense desertification and this is evident everywhere you go with nomadic pastoralists.

If you look at the areas with fewer camels within Somali lands you will see a lush beautiful land. I think it was the intense grazing and luck of environmental initiatives to plant trees and to limit the grazing that caused the problems. It is the same in Kenya, the areas where Massai live are more arid than areas where the Kikuyu live, because the massai are nomads and the kikuyu are farmers. The same is evident in Ethiopia, America, Middle East and even Australia.

As for Somali bravery, I don't think anyone can dispute the Somalis are and were great warriors. The fact is evident in how large the Somali lands are. And if you ask the gala or all the other tribes that fought with Somalis you will get a picture of the type of warriors the Somali were. Also the way they fought the Portuguese, the Italians, the British, the Ethiopians and even the Americans.

I think our ancestors were quite brave, strong in faith and proud in their identity. They were proud Somalis…brave warriors, who fought and defeated anyone that came their way. Too bad their descendants are puppets of the lowest of people.

[Gedo_Boy]

that might be your opinion, but many objective outsiders disagree, here are some quotes from a British officer stationed in Somalia in the '40s taken by: WARRIORS, by Gerald Hanley:

"A Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or any other kind of man at all, and still does, even when he is wrong. Islam does wonders for the self respect of non-white people and Christianity is right to worry about the spread of Islam in Africa, and must honestly face the question of why it has happened - "

"Of all the desiccated, bitter, cruel, sunbeaten wildernesses which starve and thirst beyond the edges of Africa's luscious, jungled centre, there cannot be one more Christless than the one which begins at the northern foot of Mount Kenya and stretches to the foothills of Abyssinia, and from there to the dried-out glittering tip of Cape Gardafui where the hot karif winds blow in from where the long sharks race under the thin blue skin of the ocean. You can never think of those wildernesses without thinking of daggers and spears, rolling fierce eyes under mops of dusty black crinkly hair, of mad stubborn camels, rocks too hot to touch, and blood feuds whose origins cannot be remembered, only honoured in the stabbing. But of all the races of Africa there cannot be one better to live among than the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest; the Somalis."


"I never saw a Somali who showed any fear of death, which, impressive though it sounds, carries within it the chill of pitilessness and ferocity as well. If you have no fear of death you have none for anybody else's either, but that fearlessness has always been essential to the Somalis who have had to try and survive hunger, disease and thirst while prepared to fight and die against their enemies, their fellow Somalis for pleasure in the blood feud, or the Ethiopians who would like to rule them, or the white men who got in the way for a while."

"Everytime a Somali got whipped, an Italian soldier was killed"

"Wandering in The Shag (desert) were Somalis with some of the sharpest intelligences in the continent, nomads who had been forced into being parasites of the camel, for centuries, and could anyone ever find a way of using all that courage and intelligence?"

"There is no one alive as tough as the Somali nomad. No one.
An askari wounded in a fight in the Haud country walked 14 miles holding his guts in his hand, was sewn up and lived to soldier again. And the women are as spiritually strong as their men."

"....You get into that way of thinking in the Somali waste. You think that way because the Somalis bitterly resent the white man, and struggle continually, and admirably, by lies and intrigue, to fight off his influence which spells the end of their peculiar world. You cannot beat them. They have no inferiority complexes, no wide-eyed worship of the white man's ways, and no fear of him, of his guns or of his official anger. They are a race to be admired, if hard to love."

[somalinetguy]

[quote="eyes-only"]Luggoyo, I don't agree with you there. Somalis are nomads, worse still Somalia has the most camels in the world. I believe Somalia was not always an arid land but a lush green land with plenty of water. The camels caused the intense desertification and this is evident everywhere you go with nomadic pastoralists.

If you look at the areas with fewer camels within Somali lands you will see a lush beautiful [/quote]




it is the other way round , the camels did not cause the desertification , how the camels could cause desertification when they can not even survive in the lush land in the first place ?
The land dictate the lives of the animals who lives on , the animals or human adapt to the condition of the land not the other way round

[Basra-]

"the camels will contract diarrhea if they eat wet vegetion and die"


Lol@somalinetguy -- Who is this guy?? Hes fascinating. LOOOOOOOL



Anyways....... Sir Lug-just because your marexaan clan live in arid, dry God forsaken lands dont mean the rest Somalia do.But i see what u are saying, most of the somali lands are sahara desert or none green land i suppose. Your thinking is a little bit juvenile not to mention self directive reflection. Somalis are nomands by nature, and trouble makers by characteristics. So adding the math, i suppose alot has to do with them moving constantly, or them fighting with other nations, and running away, settling somewhere after defeat.Just like Darood did, he ran away from his arab brothers to settle and marry a bantu dir in Somalia.


However, i do think All muslims live in none fertile oil buzzling lands. IT all dates back to Quran/Bible where the story of Ismael and Isxaaq, Isxaaq who are the modern jew descendants- were cunning to get Dua from their blind dad by mascareding as 'Ismael' since he was the favorite son,placing a sheep skin on his hand to show his blind father that he was ismael.(Thats why in modern days jews are not hairy and arab are lol ) So since the dua was given to the jew,mistakenly--the dua of brilliance of mind and successes i guess, the ismael was left with a mere blessing of wealth from the land they occupied.Meaning of course--a land of oil, which ironically---in the end makes the jews need arabs despite having been blessed with genius of mind.(Thats why jews prosper in medicine, business, etc etc)


My point --since Somalis are descendant of Ismael--- of course we will inherit the dua, hence --the oil in barbara, bosaso,i hear in xamar now --etc etc etc ---So Sir lug--look at the BIG picture huuno.

[Gedo_Boy]

Sir Lug,

Somalia's migration all the way into Ethiopia and Kenya is a result of expansion.

[galia]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]that might be your opinion, but many objective outsiders disagree, here are some quotes from a British officer stationed in Somalia in the '40s taken by: WARRIORS, by Gerald Hanley:

"A Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or any other kind of man at all, and still does, even when he is wrong. Islam does wonders for the self respect of non-white people and Christianity is right to worry about the spread of Islam in Africa, and must honestly face the question of why it has happened - "

"Of all the desiccated, bitter, cruel, sunbeaten wildernesses which starve and thirst beyond the edges of Africa's luscious, jungled centre, there cannot be one more Christless than the one which begins at the northern foot of Mount Kenya and stretches to the foothills of Abyssinia, and from there to the dried-out glittering tip of Cape Gardafui where the hot karif winds blow in from where the long sharks race under the thin blue skin of the ocean. You can never think of those wildernesses without thinking of daggers and spears, rolling fierce eyes under mops of dusty black crinkly hair, of mad stubborn camels, rocks too hot to touch, and blood feuds whose origins cannot be remembered, only honoured in the stabbing. But of all the races of Africa there cannot be one better to live among than the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest; the Somalis."


"I never saw a Somali who showed any fear of death, which, impressive though it sounds, carries within it the chill of pitilessness and ferocity as well. If you have no fear of death you have none for anybody else's either, but that fearlessness has always been essential to the Somalis who have had to try and survive hunger, disease and thirst while prepared to fight and die against their enemies, their fellow Somalis for pleasure in the blood feud, or the Ethiopians who would like to rule them, or the white men who got in the way for a while."

"Everytime a Somali got whipped, an Italian soldier was killed"

"Wandering in The Shag (desert) were Somalis with some of the sharpest intelligences in the continent, nomads who had been forced into being parasites of the camel, for centuries, and could anyone ever find a way of using all that courage and intelligence?"

"There is no one alive as tough as the Somali nomad. No one.
An askari wounded in a fight in the Haud country walked 14 miles holding his guts in his hand, was sewn up and lived to soldier again. And the women are as spiritually strong as their men."

"....You get into that way of thinking in the Somali waste. You think that way because the Somalis bitterly resent the white man, and struggle continually, and admirably, by lies and intrigue, to fight off his influence which spells the end of their peculiar world. You cannot beat them. They have no inferiority complexes, no wide-eyed worship of the white man's ways, and no fear of him, of his guns or of his official anger. They are a race to be admired, if hard to love."[/quote]


Gedo boy very good info, very good, get me some of ur sources.

[Basra-]

galia when was the last time u smoked crack?

[Gedo_Boy]

galia,

WARRIORS, by Gerald Hanley

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Yea, we always have one or two colonial farcical quotes in our back pocket to drive a point home.

GB,

The reason they dubbed us as homicidal maniacs is not for your benefit but for their ego, they want to claim that they have tamed and conquered the said ferocious tribe. What does these quotes make the man who beat those savages to submission? Of course a man among men, so don't fall for the crab that the Europeans were boosting their fragile egos with.

Basra,


Nonesense.


S-netguy,

So you think the camel was more intelligent than our ancestors? We should open another topic for our stupidity.

[Garaad_LQ]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"] and the only reasonable answer to that is, we were chased, we were evicted of our land and pushed to this corner until there was no way to run except to swim to India.

Check out every corner where there are Somali inhabitants, from Jobouti (hell on earth) Ogaden (wastelands) NFD (I wonder why Kenya insists) and the figure 7 Somalia,. This all points to one thing, our ancestors were the biggest cowards on mother earth, and the stories they circulated among themselves and recited to us of being brave warriors is just a myth to boost their spineless characters[/quote]

Luggoyo , what u expect from from Faan-Land we are the fukking weakest link of the whole of Africa , Time to be prude of it