Did Islamic Courts understand Kismayo politics?

[Lacageylacag]

I don't think UIC officials understood the intense rivalry between MJs, Mareexans and OGs for control of kismayu.
A way should have been worked out to keep Mareexan and Ogadeen happy.Plus the non-dabadhilif MJs.
Mareexan were seriously disappointed and it is not right because they have the largest population of wadaads in somalia.

[Mrs Musika man]

NO they went into to Kismayo in an unislamic way


UIC are good put having Indho'cadde in a high position and doing a few mistakes made them weaker.

[Lacageylacag]

So every one in ICU has to be perfect?

Is that worldly possible?

[DawladSade]

they understood it perfectly that is why they gave the MAYOR of the city, police commander, the ayraboorka etc all to mareexaan but what YOU dont understand is the individuality and independence of mareexaan, no one gives us shit like a looma ooyaan


the mayor being welcomed to kismaayo during that time

[quote]Maalmihii ugu dambeeyay waxaa si aad ah loo hadal hayay imaanshaha gudoomiyaha Degmada oo noqonaya masuul ugu sareeya ragga ilaa iyo iminka ay maxaakimtu magacaabeen ee Beesha sade.[/quote]

..http://www.gedonet.com/index.php?news=500

[Mrs Musika man]

Laacaag

NO, not perfect u have to be good atleast, in a islamic leadership only the most knowledgeable should be in the shuura. No moryaan who chew qaad, hidd qaad and give his men Qaad.


SHeikh Shariif and Abu Quteyba got really mad at him and they refused to work with him, But Aweys ba sasabaay.

[Lacageylacag]

Dawladsade,
I don't understand. Rephrase your point please.
"no one gives us shit like looma ooyaan"

The mayor was mareexan.What else did you want?

[paidmonk]

Of course they understood, that's why they took the city and held it without problems for as long as they did.

[DawladSade]

We Mareexaan were the biggest supporters to the wadaado, dagaalki GALGALATO where maxamed dheere and bashiir raage were broken down was because of the gurmad that came from mareexaan, that fight took two weeks, the longest of any single battle between the wadaado and warlords, it was because of us that the maxaakiim won that battle and captured xamar dhan

lets look at couple things:

1. Barre hiiraale never went to ethiopia never ever got support from the outside, everything he was a wadani man and he provided them help also

YET the excuse the wadaado gave for trying to go to kismaayo is that ethiopians would be based in kismaayo when barre hiiraale as DEFENSE MINISTER was saing on the radio he does not blv in any foreign troops in somalia

2. the isbahaysi that had ended unofficially a year before the maxkiim came to kismaayo between mareexaan and cayr

seeraar was kicked out and a isbahaysi between mareexaan and cayr did not exist for a year, yet the maxaakiim passed SHABELLEDA HOOSE and indhacade (in fact indhacade spoke FOR the maxaakiim) to come to kismaayo which mareexaan saw clearly hassan dahir aweys favoring his qabiil and which completely ended any links btw cayr and us


etc etc etc

[DawladSade]

[quote="paidmonk"]Of course they understood, that's why they took the city and held it without problems for as long as they did.[/quote]


even mareexaan women were getting arrested by the hundreds for picking up arms and throwing bombs at them, the best was when barre hiiraale's wive was arrested after an attack by cabaas on the maxaakiim army barracks, truth be told my uncle in kismaayo said the maxaakiim were regretting they even CAME to kismaayo , he said they looked so depressed cuz they couldnt sit in maqaayad, they couldnt walk in the street, they couldnt sleep at night

[Lacageylacag]

But Barre Hiirale was not wadaad and he was not into Shareeca.
How could Islamic courts co-exist with secular Barre Hiraale, who is otherwise, a good man?

[DawladSade]

[quote="Lacageylacag"]But Barre Hiirale was not wadaad and he was not into Shareeca.
How could Islamic courts co-exist with secular Barre Hiraale, who is otherwise, a good man?[/quote]


Indhacade was a drug dealer as the U.N reported on his drug plantations near Buulomareer yet he was their "defense guy".

Teeda kale the whole maxaakiim shit was a Hawiye thing, how could gudoomiyaha "shuurada", gudoomiyaha "fulinta", their defense, all their ku-xigeens etc be HAWIYE and call yourself a maxaakiimta islaamka SOOMAALIYEED, don't other somalis have wadaado?? hell al itixaad was and is gedo, where all the mareexaan wadaado????


sxb that shit ended and we are glad to be pass it, no need to go back to history

[paidmonk]

DS, so its the same feeling the Marexaan had when they kicked Afguduud out..constant paranoia and little stability.

The Islamic Courts were supported fully by the Majerteen and Absame clans in Kismayo, that's why we never heard headlines of Majerteen protesting..shit we didn't hear Majerteen on the news, period.

I don't think the number of Marexaan supporting wadaads was as high as you made it. When the JVA reclaimed Kismayo after the TFG took it down, they had 600 men and that's the number approximated to be fighting the ICU earlier. Unless only the grannies were siding with the wadaads.

[DawladSade]

[quote]that's why we never heard headlines of Majerteen protesting..shit we didn't hear Majerteen on the news, period.[/quote]

no really



paidmonk majeerteen don't even live in kismaayo, no one would be talking about you even now if it wasn't for the couple thousand that came down with afbiijo from puntland and made their way into kismaayo after maxaakiimti la garaacay, and those are all scattering and running for their lives now, masaakiin from the desert to lost in the jungle

i saw this picture in somaliaone, how mareexaans shut down that city after the fake maxaakiim came

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4317/kismayozh7.jpg


Somali militia open fire at demonstrators

Thursday, September 28, 2006
By Nasteex Dahir Farah
The Associated Press

Kismayo, Somalia - Islamic fighters opened fire on stone throwing demonstrators in a key Somali seaport on Thursday, in a third day of protests over their seizure of the town. No casualties were reported.

Seven women were arrested by the Islamic militia after they joined demonstrations that have erupted in Kismayo, Somalia's third largest town, residents told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

The stone-throwing crowds chanted that the fighters "are not Muslims" and "use Islam as a cover."

The Islamic militia has swept through southern Somalia since taking over the capital in June. Its strict and often severe interpretation of Islam raises the spectre of Afghanistan's ousted Taliban militia, and contrasts with the moderate Islam that has dominated Somali culture for centuries. Some Somalis, though, have welcomed the order the militia have brought after years of anarchic clan rule.

In Kismayo on Thursday, demonstrators, most of them women and children, blocked roads with trees and rocks to prevent Islamic militia using their armoured trucks, many of which were flying the black flags associated with Islamic extremism, to break up the protests. Local businesses and markets closed down because of the demonstrations in this town 420km south-west of the capital, Mogadishu.

The militiamen, armed with guns and wearing green military fatigues and white headbands, patrolled the streets.

Adan Farah Sed told the AP by phone from Kismayo that residents felt threatened by the militiamen. Another resident, Adni Sagaro, said they should "go back to their bases and leave our city alone."

The militiamen had opened fire on a similar protest on Monday, a day after they took Kismayo without a fight. Witnesses said a teenager was killed and two others wounded.

On Wednesday 300 fighters surrendered their guns and armoured trucks to the Islamic militia and pledged to join their forces. Aden Hashi Ayro, the military chief of the Islamic group in Somalia, accepted the weapons, saying their aim "is to worship Allah and fight for the sake of Islam."

Ayro, who according to the UN is a suspected al-Qaeda collaborator who trained in al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, said, "Among our militia will be Somalis and foreigners."

The United States has accused the Islamic group of sheltering suspects in the 1998 al-Qaeda bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden has portrayed Somalia as a battleground in his war on the US.

Somalia has not had an effective national government since 1991, when warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre and then turned on one another, throwing the country into anarchy. The Islamic group has stepped into the power vacuum.

Source: AP, Sept 28, 2006

[qardasay]

the Hawiye and maxkamadaha misjudge barre hiiraale

Barre Hiiraale is not like others Warlords. there are three kinds of Warlords.the good, the bad and the ugly. Barre hiiraale is a good warlord a respectful man

[DawladSade]

[quote="qardasay"]the Hawiye and maxkamadaha misjudge barre hiiraale

Barre Hiiraale is not like others Warlords. there are three kinds of Warlords.the good, the bad and the ugly. Barre hiiraale is a good warlord a respectful man[/quote]


he aint even a warlord, he is a POLITICAL LEADER..hawiye misjudged all other ppl period because they thought everybody was like in their condition, being abused and slave by their own guys who had checkpoints to get money from them, etc.

Barre Hiiraale waaba cay in la yirahdo warlord, he had no isbaaro (in fact fought against the militia who put isbaaro down), etc etc etc he never attacked anyone but he ALWAYS defended mareexaan, he didnt steal things, he didnt abuse people, etc

even today he is making peace in gedo and watching the amnesty, he arrested some murderors before aano qabiil shit could start

[quote]Qabashada ragani oo hadda uu ku xiran Xarunta Barre Hiraale ee Muuri ayaa waxay meesha ka saareysaa cabsidii la qabey oo ahayd in iska hor imaad uu dhexmaro maleeshiyooyin deegaanadasi isku uruursanayey.[/quote]

..http://www.gedonet.com/index.php?news=1555