X.playa I saved everything....
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X.playa I saved everything....
Dawldsade wrote:
Sadeboi this seems to be a redundant conversation. This guy Xplaya obviously already understands he cannot win the argument so he has resorted to drag out the conversation at the expense of Mareexaan while Isaaq and the reason he started the whole conversation has been left to the dust.
Initially this guy did two things when the world got a glimps of the true laangaabnimo of the CLAN Isaaq (most any of them counted to was 19). After being made a comedy, he resorted to two things:
1. Completely altered Majeerteen's abtirsi and announced the rest were fake, while completely forgetting there are sub-clans such as Bicidyahan, reer Maxamuud, etc whose lineages he desperately discredited as being inventions by the Majeerteen kids on Somalinet. He was completely made a mockery out of and ran away with his tail between his legs when a tree of the Majeerteen was put together and he was found to have been doing nothing but braying like a molested donkey.
2. He then announced the products of Sade are numerically smaller than Kablalax, so there was no possibility a Mareexaan could have a lineage reaching 35. He was then again made a mockery out of when he was taught, at that age and at that mental level, that Somali lineage and Somali population do not necessarily have to be related. That a man can father many children but that has nothing to do with how FAST those sons reproduced and that a man who had one son, for example, who married more earlier then any of those boys and had a son would have a LONGER lineage but will still come up short in terms of overall population.
In that chapter of the debate, the whole Isaaq myth of being descendent from Hashim was shredded when evidence was brought that correlated the Darod/Marehan abtirsi and falsified Isaaq's completely laangaab stature (at 19 names) of being descendants of Hashim. It was then analyzed that, that abtirsi was closer to the Dir/"Irir" confederation of which their positions in the Somali Transitional Government are counted under.
He was completely discredited there again but instead of saving face instead resorted to "you fabricated from Siyaad after wards" forgetting Siyaad is mere 7 numbers and that all his descendants are our closest kins and some of them whom we diverge at great-grandsons (mere 4-5 names away) of Siyaad Diini are today national figures such as Col Isaaq Biixi, Defense Minister, and Gen Cali Madoobe, TFG Police Chief before Abdi Qeybdiid.
He did not stop there but then finally tried to "awr kacsi" by saying why is that Mareexaan is named "Mareexaan" while others such as Habar Gidir, for example, are divided into specific names. For a man of his age, his mental aptitude completely disappointed us again as he should have thought twice before giving us reasoning based on childish analysis.
1. Segmentary natural order is impacted most of all by the number of DIVISIONS within each segmantary lineage groups. In this example, where Habar Gidir only composes of three groups with relative equal set of populations, Mareexaan is divided into THIRTY THREE (33) sub-clans of whom it would be a headache to name individually but that in the most general cases individual sub-clans are used in place of Mareexaan because Mareexaan is a clan staking claim to four regions within Somalia and straddles the borders of three nations (Somalia-Kenya, Somalia-Ethiopia). For example Celi vs. Puntland or Cali Dheere vs. Garre or in the most recent case Talhe vs. Gaaljecel. Even Western analysts do not use MAREEXAAN but use the specific sub-clan who it concerns in their analyzations:
-----"The Garre-Murille conflict was also entangled in and driven by the Garre-
Marehan conflict. The Murille of Mandera district have had a long-running relationship
with the Marehan sub-clans in the border area, especially the Ali Dheere sub-clan. A
series of killings since 2000, and a longer history of rivalry over trade between the Ali
Dheere and the Garre, led to deteriorating relations between the two groups.
...Because the Murille are allied with the Ali Dheere sub-clan of the Marehan
(concentrated in the Beled Hawa area), the Garre increasingly suspected the Marehan of
providing support to the Murille as part of a proxy war against them."------
2. Note also that for Habar Gidir, never will "Madarkicis" be used (as Xplaya tried to point out) but for their far more numerous cousins the Abgaal, they will always be housed under "Mudulood" to instill some sort of organization as in Mareexaan.
Both of these groups are much more different then ISAAQ, which is a major CLAN and should have long have reached individual maturity of what they had failed to do because of their laangaabnimo.
To conclude, in all that he brought the argument concerned Darod/Mareexaan and bringing them down to Isaaq's level. NOTICE that the argument has long ceased to be about Isaaq Wink . Now it has all boiled down to trying to legitimize Isaaq's lowly position by bringing Darod down to Isaaq's level and that, I say, has ended in bitter defeat and total humiliation. Laughing
Sadeboi this seems to be a redundant conversation. This guy Xplaya obviously already understands he cannot win the argument so he has resorted to drag out the conversation at the expense of Mareexaan while Isaaq and the reason he started the whole conversation has been left to the dust.
Initially this guy did two things when the world got a glimps of the true laangaabnimo of the CLAN Isaaq (most any of them counted to was 19). After being made a comedy, he resorted to two things:
1. Completely altered Majeerteen's abtirsi and announced the rest were fake, while completely forgetting there are sub-clans such as Bicidyahan, reer Maxamuud, etc whose lineages he desperately discredited as being inventions by the Majeerteen kids on Somalinet. He was completely made a mockery out of and ran away with his tail between his legs when a tree of the Majeerteen was put together and he was found to have been doing nothing but braying like a molested donkey.
2. He then announced the products of Sade are numerically smaller than Kablalax, so there was no possibility a Mareexaan could have a lineage reaching 35. He was then again made a mockery out of when he was taught, at that age and at that mental level, that Somali lineage and Somali population do not necessarily have to be related. That a man can father many children but that has nothing to do with how FAST those sons reproduced and that a man who had one son, for example, who married more earlier then any of those boys and had a son would have a LONGER lineage but will still come up short in terms of overall population.
In that chapter of the debate, the whole Isaaq myth of being descendent from Hashim was shredded when evidence was brought that correlated the Darod/Marehan abtirsi and falsified Isaaq's completely laangaab stature (at 19 names) of being descendants of Hashim. It was then analyzed that, that abtirsi was closer to the Dir/"Irir" confederation of which their positions in the Somali Transitional Government are counted under.
He was completely discredited there again but instead of saving face instead resorted to "you fabricated from Siyaad after wards" forgetting Siyaad is mere 7 numbers and that all his descendants are our closest kins and some of them whom we diverge at great-grandsons (mere 4-5 names away) of Siyaad Diini are today national figures such as Col Isaaq Biixi, Defense Minister, and Gen Cali Madoobe, TFG Police Chief before Abdi Qeybdiid.
He did not stop there but then finally tried to "awr kacsi" by saying why is that Mareexaan is named "Mareexaan" while others such as Habar Gidir, for example, are divided into specific names. For a man of his age, his mental aptitude completely disappointed us again as he should have thought twice before giving us reasoning based on childish analysis.
1. Segmentary natural order is impacted most of all by the number of DIVISIONS within each segmantary lineage groups. In this example, where Habar Gidir only composes of three groups with relative equal set of populations, Mareexaan is divided into THIRTY THREE (33) sub-clans of whom it would be a headache to name individually but that in the most general cases individual sub-clans are used in place of Mareexaan because Mareexaan is a clan staking claim to four regions within Somalia and straddles the borders of three nations (Somalia-Kenya, Somalia-Ethiopia). For example Celi vs. Puntland or Cali Dheere vs. Garre or in the most recent case Talhe vs. Gaaljecel. Even Western analysts do not use MAREEXAAN but use the specific sub-clan who it concerns in their analyzations:
-----"The Garre-Murille conflict was also entangled in and driven by the Garre-
Marehan conflict. The Murille of Mandera district have had a long-running relationship
with the Marehan sub-clans in the border area, especially the Ali Dheere sub-clan. A
series of killings since 2000, and a longer history of rivalry over trade between the Ali
Dheere and the Garre, led to deteriorating relations between the two groups.
...Because the Murille are allied with the Ali Dheere sub-clan of the Marehan
(concentrated in the Beled Hawa area), the Garre increasingly suspected the Marehan of
providing support to the Murille as part of a proxy war against them."------
2. Note also that for Habar Gidir, never will "Madarkicis" be used (as Xplaya tried to point out) but for their far more numerous cousins the Abgaal, they will always be housed under "Mudulood" to instill some sort of organization as in Mareexaan.
Both of these groups are much more different then ISAAQ, which is a major CLAN and should have long have reached individual maturity of what they had failed to do because of their laangaabnimo.
To conclude, in all that he brought the argument concerned Darod/Mareexaan and bringing them down to Isaaq's level. NOTICE that the argument has long ceased to be about Isaaq Wink . Now it has all boiled down to trying to legitimize Isaaq's lowly position by bringing Darod down to Isaaq's level and that, I say, has ended in bitter defeat and total humiliation. Laughing
Re: X.playa I saved everything....
then I wrote :
How a 35 =19? can you elaborate on that and stop craping on your own pants.******
This all the guy could come up with, Isaqow is this guy the most smartest isaq man on s.net as you guys have stated? I feel sorry for your clan then. The question he is asking is not even clear.
You said I could not be 7 generation apart from siyaad diini, that came out to be false.
You then said that my 35 to Darood was fake, and I provided my abtris and then the SADE clan tree showing how all the names in my abtris go hand in hand with the clan tree.
You also made a fake majeertaan lineage and I corrected you.
Now you only resort to this guys abtiris, who I do not know of, and you have NO source to show that the abtiris you presented of him is true. And its quite funny how me, unclbin a majeertaan, and xamud a lelkase all count in our 30s to Darood, but somehow, miraculously, the abtiris of the darood man x.playa displayed counts 20 to Darood, making him as LAANGAAB AS HIS ISAQ CLAN. Is anyone else laughing at this or is it just me Laughing Laughing
And finally you have failed to answer of the questions raised by me and I believe you keep on being repetitive just so you won't have to answer them.
Gurey and samatr Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing inform your idiot cousin.
How a 35 =19? can you elaborate on that and stop craping on your own pants.******
This all the guy could come up with, Isaqow is this guy the most smartest isaq man on s.net as you guys have stated? I feel sorry for your clan then. The question he is asking is not even clear.
You said I could not be 7 generation apart from siyaad diini, that came out to be false.
You then said that my 35 to Darood was fake, and I provided my abtris and then the SADE clan tree showing how all the names in my abtris go hand in hand with the clan tree.
You also made a fake majeertaan lineage and I corrected you.
Now you only resort to this guys abtiris, who I do not know of, and you have NO source to show that the abtiris you presented of him is true. And its quite funny how me, unclbin a majeertaan, and xamud a lelkase all count in our 30s to Darood, but somehow, miraculously, the abtiris of the darood man x.playa displayed counts 20 to Darood, making him as LAANGAAB AS HIS ISAQ CLAN. Is anyone else laughing at this or is it just me Laughing Laughing
And finally you have failed to answer of the questions raised by me and I believe you keep on being repetitive just so you won't have to answer them.
Gurey and samatr Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing inform your idiot cousin.
Re: X.playa I saved everything....
Samtr wrote:
It's quite illogical if your abtiris is 35, meaning each of your ancestors lived for 45 years which is the average life expectancy of Somalis, that means that's 1,575 gap, unless every single one of your ancestors married when they were 18, which is a long shot
Then dawld wrote:
Samatr a family tree of both Mareexaan and Majeerteen was posted, of which EVERY SINGLE sub-clan was organized under. Both reached their 30's. The debate is not determined by a something brought by the same braying donkey who tried to toy with Majeerteen's abtirsi saying this how it really was and that the SOMALINET kids invented the others, of whom the lineage of your great-grandma (Bicidyahan) was included under or tried to willfully play with the SIYAAD DIINI who lived recently and whose descendent I am saying some of my very near grand-father's names were false (the same ones I meet up with the presented current national figures of Somalia). Laughing
This guy has absaloutely no argument, if he did we would be discussing ISAAQ and he would be trying to DEFEND ISAAQ from us. By that I have long analyzed the debate was lost on his part and the next strategy was illogical redundancy.
It's quite illogical if your abtiris is 35, meaning each of your ancestors lived for 45 years which is the average life expectancy of Somalis, that means that's 1,575 gap, unless every single one of your ancestors married when they were 18, which is a long shot
Then dawld wrote:
Samatr a family tree of both Mareexaan and Majeerteen was posted, of which EVERY SINGLE sub-clan was organized under. Both reached their 30's. The debate is not determined by a something brought by the same braying donkey who tried to toy with Majeerteen's abtirsi saying this how it really was and that the SOMALINET kids invented the others, of whom the lineage of your great-grandma (Bicidyahan) was included under or tried to willfully play with the SIYAAD DIINI who lived recently and whose descendent I am saying some of my very near grand-father's names were false (the same ones I meet up with the presented current national figures of Somalia). Laughing
This guy has absaloutely no argument, if he did we would be discussing ISAAQ and he would be trying to DEFEND ISAAQ from us. By that I have long analyzed the debate was lost on his part and the next strategy was illogical redundancy.
Re: X.playa I saved everything....
Then cilimile wrote:
We can sufficiently adduce that XaarPlaya has conceded the topic of this thread.
1-0 Cilmiile. XaarPlaya has started a thread and adamantly refuses to debate its topic.
Now then let us see, you say that AfXakame traces his ancestry to Daarood through 19 generations. Very good. Then you write that he lived in 1880 therefore it is impossible to add anything more than 3 additional names to that abtiris. Fair enough. If he lived in the 1880s.
the Question I have is how do you come up with this 1880 number? in 1855 Lieutenant Speke who was exploring Sanaag region for the English. Richard Burton writes in his book quoting Speke:
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The Northern Dulbahantas are suffering greatly from intestine war. They are even less tractable than the Warsingali. Their Sultan is a ruler only in name; no one respects his person or consults him in matters of importance: their Gerad was in the vicinity of the traveller; but evasive answers were returned (probably in consequence of the Abban’s machinations) to every inquiry. The elders and men of substance settle local matters, and all have a voice in everything that concerns the general weal: such for instance as the transit of a traveller. Lieutenant Speke saw two tribes, the Mahmud Gerad and Rer Ali Nalay. The latter is subdivided into six septs.
The Habr Gerhajis, here scattered and cut up, have little power. Their royal family resides near Berberah, but no one as yet wears the turban; and even when investiture takes place, a ruler’s authority will not extend to Makhar. Three clans of this tribe inhabit this part of the Somali country, viz., Bah Gummaron, Rer Hamturwa, and Urus Sugay.
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Cali Naaleeye alone is considered such a force of nature they stand out from their own Maxamuud Garaad. In 1895 an English explorer similarly praises the Bihi Darays, a section of the Naaleeye as one of the most fierce tribes in Somalia alongside the broader Dhulbahante and Ogaden. In 1855 they were abusing and slapping around the Eastern Habar Yoonis who you see are described as having little power. And Cali Naaleeye were reigning supreme Preparing 4000 man Cavarly Assault units in front of his eyes?
Farax AfXakame lived in the 1830s at the latest. Which means anyone descended from AfXakame can trace anywhere from 7 or 8 Generations.
We await the entrance of someone of the Cali Naaleeye to illuminate this debate. But dont disappear when someone comes in just as you disappeared when Sadeboi posted his comments.
You have a tendency to run from unpalatable facts.
The Evidence
We can sufficiently adduce that XaarPlaya has conceded the topic of this thread.
1-0 Cilmiile. XaarPlaya has started a thread and adamantly refuses to debate its topic.
Now then let us see, you say that AfXakame traces his ancestry to Daarood through 19 generations. Very good. Then you write that he lived in 1880 therefore it is impossible to add anything more than 3 additional names to that abtiris. Fair enough. If he lived in the 1880s.
the Question I have is how do you come up with this 1880 number? in 1855 Lieutenant Speke who was exploring Sanaag region for the English. Richard Burton writes in his book quoting Speke:
*************************************
The Northern Dulbahantas are suffering greatly from intestine war. They are even less tractable than the Warsingali. Their Sultan is a ruler only in name; no one respects his person or consults him in matters of importance: their Gerad was in the vicinity of the traveller; but evasive answers were returned (probably in consequence of the Abban’s machinations) to every inquiry. The elders and men of substance settle local matters, and all have a voice in everything that concerns the general weal: such for instance as the transit of a traveller. Lieutenant Speke saw two tribes, the Mahmud Gerad and Rer Ali Nalay. The latter is subdivided into six septs.
The Habr Gerhajis, here scattered and cut up, have little power. Their royal family resides near Berberah, but no one as yet wears the turban; and even when investiture takes place, a ruler’s authority will not extend to Makhar. Three clans of this tribe inhabit this part of the Somali country, viz., Bah Gummaron, Rer Hamturwa, and Urus Sugay.
*******************************************************
Cali Naaleeye alone is considered such a force of nature they stand out from their own Maxamuud Garaad. In 1895 an English explorer similarly praises the Bihi Darays, a section of the Naaleeye as one of the most fierce tribes in Somalia alongside the broader Dhulbahante and Ogaden. In 1855 they were abusing and slapping around the Eastern Habar Yoonis who you see are described as having little power. And Cali Naaleeye were reigning supreme Preparing 4000 man Cavarly Assault units in front of his eyes?
Farax AfXakame lived in the 1830s at the latest. Which means anyone descended from AfXakame can trace anywhere from 7 or 8 Generations.
We await the entrance of someone of the Cali Naaleeye to illuminate this debate. But dont disappear when someone comes in just as you disappeared when Sadeboi posted his comments.
You have a tendency to run from unpalatable facts.
The Evidence
Re: X.playa I saved everything....
then you wrote:
Sadeboi,
Let me give you another lecture since you couldn't present a logical argument or a decent rebattle.
You are a novoice into somali clans and clans terminalogy "laang gaab " Vs "laan dheere".
You see wet nosed kid the Term "laan" is a branch of a tree a long branch doesn't mean a vertical length as the trunk of the tree , its the horizontal length thats called "laand dheere".
Let break it futher for you.
You see this long abtirisi you boast of and you are trying to convince us its 35 and not 19 , thats not "laandheerenimo" fool thats the trunk of the geoeological tree it means nothing, a laandheere is a clan that has 20 sub branches thats a Laandheere or a man who fathered more then 10 childern "laandheere" a horizontal lengeth
-----------------------------I-----------------------------------
father
I---I---I---I---I---I---I---I----I--------------I-----------I-----I
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
thats a "laandheere" a man who has founded more then 7 clans
Its a horizontal lengeth fool and thats why the term "laan" branch is used and not Trunk or Jirid as this 35 u claim...
Thats a lesson kiddo next time don't embaress yourself.
Sadeboi,
Let me give you another lecture since you couldn't present a logical argument or a decent rebattle.
You are a novoice into somali clans and clans terminalogy "laang gaab " Vs "laan dheere".
You see wet nosed kid the Term "laan" is a branch of a tree a long branch doesn't mean a vertical length as the trunk of the tree , its the horizontal length thats called "laand dheere".
Let break it futher for you.
You see this long abtirisi you boast of and you are trying to convince us its 35 and not 19 , thats not "laandheerenimo" fool thats the trunk of the geoeological tree it means nothing, a laandheere is a clan that has 20 sub branches thats a Laandheere or a man who fathered more then 10 childern "laandheere" a horizontal lengeth
-----------------------------I-----------------------------------
father
I---I---I---I---I---I---I---I----I--------------I-----------I-----I
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
thats a "laandheere" a man who has founded more then 7 clans
Its a horizontal lengeth fool and thats why the term "laan" branch is used and not Trunk or Jirid as this 35 u claim...
Thats a lesson kiddo next time don't embaress yourself.
Re: X.playa I saved everything....
Then I wrote:
Samatr Illogical? Your speaking as if you know the exact time Darood came to Somalia and then estimating how many offsprings he could have. My abtiris and everything else proves that Isaq are in fact IRIR and not hashimite as you guys claim.
You see a person of hashimite descend would count count somewhere in the fourties to hashimite, like me and the kind of do. Lakiin a man who counts to 20 to isaq is more close to the dir and habergider man who counts also in their 20's to their fathers. This guy wishes DAROOD to count less to their father so he can have the same claim as us to hashimites, this is were the argument started from.

Now he wants to pretend to be a linguistic when he has failed to answer or bring anything relevant to the table.
Stop trying to hide around the BUSH, the members are all watching you, don't embarrass yourselves at least try to present some sort of real argument, come on old man you tried so hard to have the image of a Somali cultural historian but all of your knowledge is being question and disproved by a mere adolescent.

Samatr Illogical? Your speaking as if you know the exact time Darood came to Somalia and then estimating how many offsprings he could have. My abtiris and everything else proves that Isaq are in fact IRIR and not hashimite as you guys claim.




Now he wants to pretend to be a linguistic when he has failed to answer or bring anything relevant to the table.
Stop trying to hide around the BUSH, the members are all watching you, don't embarrass yourselves at least try to present some sort of real argument, come on old man you tried so hard to have the image of a Somali cultural historian but all of your knowledge is being question and disproved by a mere adolescent.




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Re: X.playa I saved everything....
Listen kiddo, you can say your count 35 to Daarood just know that there are other Daarood clans that count like 22 names, it's not logical for there to be such a gap unless Daarood was fathering kids at the ages of 100, 200 or even 300 years of age for Daaroods descendants to have such large gap in abtiris between the different subclans. Y'all are making yourselves look like a bunch of garaciin by posting such nonsense, part of me ignores a lot of the stupid Daarood kids posts but when you go out of your to make Daarood into some mythical genie who can have kids 100 years apart, I have to knock some common sense into y'all, caqliga ma galayso nimanka abtiyaal ii ah inaad 6-10 magacood kale dheerataan marka abtiris la gaadho. Say what you want about Isaaq, anagu waan isku kalsoon nahay.
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Re: X.playa I saved everything....
Which Daarood clans count 22 names to our common progenitor, war waxaan wuxuu ka hadlayo ila eega. Your random uncles are not a source of reliable information. It's a common thing that many Somalis have a weak knowledge about their abtiris. Not everyone is an expert, they forget certain aspects and get most of their info through hearsay.
I personally can't count all the names from my father to Daarood at the top of my head. I allready know I'm going to leave out like a third of my ancestors because of my own personal ignorance.
I personally can't count all the names from my father to Daarood at the top of my head. I allready know I'm going to leave out like a third of my ancestors because of my own personal ignorance.
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Re: X.playa I saved everything....
[quote="Spragga Benz"]Which Daarood clans count 22 names to our common progenitor, war waxaan wuxuu ka hadlayo ila eega. Your random uncles are not a source of reliable information. It's a common thing that many Somalis have a weak knowledge about their abtiris. Not everyone is an expert, they forget certain aspects and get most of their info through hearsay.
I personally can't count all the names from my father to Daarood at the top of my head. I allready know I'm going to leave out like a third of my ancestors because of my own personal ignorance.[/quote]
Same here saaxib. The problem is a lot of the stupid kids on this site pop off their abtiris, when their not sure, leaving out so many names, making it easy for people to swoop in and point out inconsistancies. You shouldn't speak without knowledge. I don't even know my abtiris myself, until I sat down with my family and they told me all thirty something names on the spot starting with my Father all the way to Darood Ismacil. It was too difficult for me to memorize on the spot, so I wrote them all down and the papers under my bed.

I personally can't count all the names from my father to Daarood at the top of my head. I allready know I'm going to leave out like a third of my ancestors because of my own personal ignorance.[/quote]
Same here saaxib. The problem is a lot of the stupid kids on this site pop off their abtiris, when their not sure, leaving out so many names, making it easy for people to swoop in and point out inconsistancies. You shouldn't speak without knowledge. I don't even know my abtiris myself, until I sat down with my family and they told me all thirty something names on the spot starting with my Father all the way to Darood Ismacil. It was too difficult for me to memorize on the spot, so I wrote them all down and the papers under my bed.





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Re: X.playa I saved everything....
What sub clan counts 22 names to Darood? Has this kid been sniffin glue or something? Even the Geri Kombe count 30-35 names to Darood sxb.. what are you talking about.
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Re: X.playa I saved everything....
[quote="zackabdul"]What sub clan counts 22 names to Darood? Has this kid been sniffin glue or something? Even the Geri Kombe count 30-35 names to Darood sxb.. what are you talking about.[/quote]
Zack, the problem is some kids on this site that don't know their abtiris pop off, and leave out names.
Zack, the problem is some kids on this site that don't know their abtiris pop off, and leave out names.

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