X.playa I saved everything....
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:58 pm
Dawldsade wrote:
Sadeboi this seems to be a redundant conversation. This guy Xplaya obviously already understands he cannot win the argument so he has resorted to drag out the conversation at the expense of Mareexaan while Isaaq and the reason he started the whole conversation has been left to the dust.
Initially this guy did two things when the world got a glimps of the true laangaabnimo of the CLAN Isaaq (most any of them counted to was 19). After being made a comedy, he resorted to two things:
1. Completely altered Majeerteen's abtirsi and announced the rest were fake, while completely forgetting there are sub-clans such as Bicidyahan, reer Maxamuud, etc whose lineages he desperately discredited as being inventions by the Majeerteen kids on Somalinet. He was completely made a mockery out of and ran away with his tail between his legs when a tree of the Majeerteen was put together and he was found to have been doing nothing but braying like a molested donkey.
2. He then announced the products of Sade are numerically smaller than Kablalax, so there was no possibility a Mareexaan could have a lineage reaching 35. He was then again made a mockery out of when he was taught, at that age and at that mental level, that Somali lineage and Somali population do not necessarily have to be related. That a man can father many children but that has nothing to do with how FAST those sons reproduced and that a man who had one son, for example, who married more earlier then any of those boys and had a son would have a LONGER lineage but will still come up short in terms of overall population.
In that chapter of the debate, the whole Isaaq myth of being descendent from Hashim was shredded when evidence was brought that correlated the Darod/Marehan abtirsi and falsified Isaaq's completely laangaab stature (at 19 names) of being descendants of Hashim. It was then analyzed that, that abtirsi was closer to the Dir/"Irir" confederation of which their positions in the Somali Transitional Government are counted under.
He was completely discredited there again but instead of saving face instead resorted to "you fabricated from Siyaad after wards" forgetting Siyaad is mere 7 numbers and that all his descendants are our closest kins and some of them whom we diverge at great-grandsons (mere 4-5 names away) of Siyaad Diini are today national figures such as Col Isaaq Biixi, Defense Minister, and Gen Cali Madoobe, TFG Police Chief before Abdi Qeybdiid.
He did not stop there but then finally tried to "awr kacsi" by saying why is that Mareexaan is named "Mareexaan" while others such as Habar Gidir, for example, are divided into specific names. For a man of his age, his mental aptitude completely disappointed us again as he should have thought twice before giving us reasoning based on childish analysis.
1. Segmentary natural order is impacted most of all by the number of DIVISIONS within each segmantary lineage groups. In this example, where Habar Gidir only composes of three groups with relative equal set of populations, Mareexaan is divided into THIRTY THREE (33) sub-clans of whom it would be a headache to name individually but that in the most general cases individual sub-clans are used in place of Mareexaan because Mareexaan is a clan staking claim to four regions within Somalia and straddles the borders of three nations (Somalia-Kenya, Somalia-Ethiopia). For example Celi vs. Puntland or Cali Dheere vs. Garre or in the most recent case Talhe vs. Gaaljecel. Even Western analysts do not use MAREEXAAN but use the specific sub-clan who it concerns in their analyzations:
-----"The Garre-Murille conflict was also entangled in and driven by the Garre-
Marehan conflict. The Murille of Mandera district have had a long-running relationship
with the Marehan sub-clans in the border area, especially the Ali Dheere sub-clan. A
series of killings since 2000, and a longer history of rivalry over trade between the Ali
Dheere and the Garre, led to deteriorating relations between the two groups.
...Because the Murille are allied with the Ali Dheere sub-clan of the Marehan
(concentrated in the Beled Hawa area), the Garre increasingly suspected the Marehan of
providing support to the Murille as part of a proxy war against them."------
2. Note also that for Habar Gidir, never will "Madarkicis" be used (as Xplaya tried to point out) but for their far more numerous cousins the Abgaal, they will always be housed under "Mudulood" to instill some sort of organization as in Mareexaan.
Both of these groups are much more different then ISAAQ, which is a major CLAN and should have long have reached individual maturity of what they had failed to do because of their laangaabnimo.
To conclude, in all that he brought the argument concerned Darod/Mareexaan and bringing them down to Isaaq's level. NOTICE that the argument has long ceased to be about Isaaq Wink . Now it has all boiled down to trying to legitimize Isaaq's lowly position by bringing Darod down to Isaaq's level and that, I say, has ended in bitter defeat and total humiliation. Laughing
Sadeboi this seems to be a redundant conversation. This guy Xplaya obviously already understands he cannot win the argument so he has resorted to drag out the conversation at the expense of Mareexaan while Isaaq and the reason he started the whole conversation has been left to the dust.
Initially this guy did two things when the world got a glimps of the true laangaabnimo of the CLAN Isaaq (most any of them counted to was 19). After being made a comedy, he resorted to two things:
1. Completely altered Majeerteen's abtirsi and announced the rest were fake, while completely forgetting there are sub-clans such as Bicidyahan, reer Maxamuud, etc whose lineages he desperately discredited as being inventions by the Majeerteen kids on Somalinet. He was completely made a mockery out of and ran away with his tail between his legs when a tree of the Majeerteen was put together and he was found to have been doing nothing but braying like a molested donkey.
2. He then announced the products of Sade are numerically smaller than Kablalax, so there was no possibility a Mareexaan could have a lineage reaching 35. He was then again made a mockery out of when he was taught, at that age and at that mental level, that Somali lineage and Somali population do not necessarily have to be related. That a man can father many children but that has nothing to do with how FAST those sons reproduced and that a man who had one son, for example, who married more earlier then any of those boys and had a son would have a LONGER lineage but will still come up short in terms of overall population.
In that chapter of the debate, the whole Isaaq myth of being descendent from Hashim was shredded when evidence was brought that correlated the Darod/Marehan abtirsi and falsified Isaaq's completely laangaab stature (at 19 names) of being descendants of Hashim. It was then analyzed that, that abtirsi was closer to the Dir/"Irir" confederation of which their positions in the Somali Transitional Government are counted under.
He was completely discredited there again but instead of saving face instead resorted to "you fabricated from Siyaad after wards" forgetting Siyaad is mere 7 numbers and that all his descendants are our closest kins and some of them whom we diverge at great-grandsons (mere 4-5 names away) of Siyaad Diini are today national figures such as Col Isaaq Biixi, Defense Minister, and Gen Cali Madoobe, TFG Police Chief before Abdi Qeybdiid.
He did not stop there but then finally tried to "awr kacsi" by saying why is that Mareexaan is named "Mareexaan" while others such as Habar Gidir, for example, are divided into specific names. For a man of his age, his mental aptitude completely disappointed us again as he should have thought twice before giving us reasoning based on childish analysis.
1. Segmentary natural order is impacted most of all by the number of DIVISIONS within each segmantary lineage groups. In this example, where Habar Gidir only composes of three groups with relative equal set of populations, Mareexaan is divided into THIRTY THREE (33) sub-clans of whom it would be a headache to name individually but that in the most general cases individual sub-clans are used in place of Mareexaan because Mareexaan is a clan staking claim to four regions within Somalia and straddles the borders of three nations (Somalia-Kenya, Somalia-Ethiopia). For example Celi vs. Puntland or Cali Dheere vs. Garre or in the most recent case Talhe vs. Gaaljecel. Even Western analysts do not use MAREEXAAN but use the specific sub-clan who it concerns in their analyzations:
-----"The Garre-Murille conflict was also entangled in and driven by the Garre-
Marehan conflict. The Murille of Mandera district have had a long-running relationship
with the Marehan sub-clans in the border area, especially the Ali Dheere sub-clan. A
series of killings since 2000, and a longer history of rivalry over trade between the Ali
Dheere and the Garre, led to deteriorating relations between the two groups.
...Because the Murille are allied with the Ali Dheere sub-clan of the Marehan
(concentrated in the Beled Hawa area), the Garre increasingly suspected the Marehan of
providing support to the Murille as part of a proxy war against them."------
2. Note also that for Habar Gidir, never will "Madarkicis" be used (as Xplaya tried to point out) but for their far more numerous cousins the Abgaal, they will always be housed under "Mudulood" to instill some sort of organization as in Mareexaan.
Both of these groups are much more different then ISAAQ, which is a major CLAN and should have long have reached individual maturity of what they had failed to do because of their laangaabnimo.
To conclude, in all that he brought the argument concerned Darod/Mareexaan and bringing them down to Isaaq's level. NOTICE that the argument has long ceased to be about Isaaq Wink . Now it has all boiled down to trying to legitimize Isaaq's lowly position by bringing Darod down to Isaaq's level and that, I say, has ended in bitter defeat and total humiliation. Laughing